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Display Name Post: 500 dips per day?        (Topic#19978)
juju
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01-30-09 06:02 PM - Post#523502    



Hi all,
This year, I have decided to do the routine of 500 dips every day until I reach total of at least 100000 dips.

This is my 25th day and I completed about (600X25)15000 dips. some times I do a little more. I don't take any rest days and I do it instead of doing weight training and cardio.



I had been doing pretty good amount of weight training for last 4/5 years. I have reduced inches. Everyone says so.

However, I didn't get the hardness of the body I wanted. My muscles increased in size while I was doing only weight training but my body never looked or felt hard.
I haven't changed my eating habbits. But, It seems that since I started doing the 500 dips a day routine, I am feeling hardness on the upper body.
During the weekends, I go to gym and do my weight training routines which comprises mainly of leg exercises including squats and deadlifts.

Does any one have any opinion/info about this kind of routines? Any risk/issues that I need to be aware of?


I was suggested to post this question as a new topic so that many people can contribute.

-Juju
 
Sweatn
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01-30-09 06:16 PM - Post#523505    



Bar dips I take it. 500 a day is awesome, however are you balancing that pushing move with at least equal pulling. May be setting yourself up for shoulder problems. Hardness is more a function of diet, and you said you haven't changed your eating habits, which would be perhaps the better way to go (along with more moderate training) in my opinion.
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.



 
juju
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01-30-09 06:48 PM - Post#523510    



You are right, my shoulders do hurt.
About the dips - I do the regular ground dips. Because mechanically, bar dips are easier than ground dips. (The legs in the bar dips are at a lower level than the hands.)
Any way, I guess you are recommending to do the pull ups kind of thing along with the dips?
Actually, I observed that if I just hang on the horizontal bar between push up sets, I fill relaxed. I should do it more often, I guess.
Thx for the tip.
I'll post hear about how it goes once I try!
-Shree
 
Sweatn
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01-30-09 08:07 PM - Post#523530    



Ground dips, pushups? Easier than parallel bar dips?
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.



 
gem1
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01-30-09 08:37 PM - Post#523544    



Dan Lurie was known to do hundreds of dips a day.

Guy
 
warty
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01-30-09 09:49 PM - Post#523560    



500 dips a way is killer. I think I'd be a sore mess after only a day or two.

Ground dips as in you sit down, lean back, and do dips that way? Dips on a parallel bar means you're lifting the full weight of your body.
"Mens sana in corpore sano"
----
"Simply being amid the iron and at work is a triumph.
You hear the metal, feel its coolness, leverage its gravity and fight the fight.
You finish with a smile somewhere on your face and joy someplace in your heart and an ache of fulfillment all over."


 
Wicked Willie
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01-30-09 10:01 PM - Post#523562    



You may be setting yourself up for a repetitive stress situation. Your shoulders are one of the most delicate joints in the body and that kind of movement in those numbers could really harm you in the long run. Kris and the Cajin are correct...any hardness you feel will be mainly of matter of correct dieting. Excessive pushing motions can set up a strength imbalance in your shoulders, as well as contribute to inflexibility. You need to at least match your pushing rep for rep with pulling...even better is 2:1 pull/push ratio.

Wicked
"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in."

"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6


 
Marooned Mike
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500 dips per day?
01-31-09 02:49 AM - Post#523595    



  • Wicked Willie Said:
...Excessive pushing motions can set up a strength imbalance in your shoulders, as well as contribute to inflexibility. You need to at least match your pushing rep for rep with pulling...even better is 2:1 pull/push ratio.



You're getting some good advice with these guys here. After learning the hard way, my doc says I can even go 5:1 on Pulling:Pushing to try & un-do the damage I've done (I stopped working chest for about a year because my chest-muscles were so tight that they were helping to pull my arms out of socket) -- MAKE YOUR BACK TIGHTER THAN YOUR CHEST (Dr Franco Columbo stated this same thing many years ago but I didn't listen then ).

If you're doing the push-up type of "dips," then try some bent-over rowing motion (1-arm & 2-arms versions -- focus on squeezing your shoulder-blades in towards your spine, as if bringing your blades together in the 2-arms version) because pull-ups probably won't do it for you (in part because I don't think you're going to be able to do enough of 'em daily to counter 500 dips... but feel free to try).

My recommendation since you've already admitted to shoulder-pain (& there's a clue for you) is to STOP dipping/pressing-exercise s for awhile & just start pulling until your shoulders start feeling alright, then do at least a 2:1 ratio of Pull:Push when you resume your pressing exercises.

Bad shoulders aren't easily remedied, esp. if you keep abusing or re-injuring them... You could even use part or all use of an arm (or 2) temporarily or permanently if you keep mistreating your shoulders. Minor muscle-pains can be a good thing , but generally joint-pains are a bad thing.

Take Care & Good Luck.

P.S.: I'm reminded of a buddy-of-mine's experience with a Filipino stick-fighting move called (phonetically) a "Woo-Tick." It's a simple flick-of-the-wrist technique that my buddy's instructor said could be mastered by practicing it 100 times a day until 10,000 reps were completed (I was there & heard this); well my buddy -- already an experienced martial-artist -- decided to speed-up this process by doing 1,000 a day... soon he destroyed his wrists & has had problems ever since (he never made it to the 10,000th rep because he did too much daily & injured himself royally)
2009 Motto: Thinking Positive, Being Positive
"Start out easy & don't compete against anyone but yourself." -- Steve Reeves
"...work up to the number of repetitions that you feel necessary to do the trick. Don't hold yourself down to any hidebound number of repetitions." -- George F. Jowett
"Weight training is successful when you perservere." -- Mike Dayton




Edited by Marooned Mike on 01-31-09 04:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
DanMartin
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01-31-09 10:53 AM - Post#523661    



Troll on juju, troll on.
Practice what you suck at.


 
jej
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01-31-09 10:56 AM - Post#523662    



  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej
 
Sweatn
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500 dips per day?
01-31-09 10:56 AM - Post#523663    



  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.


Hmmm? Bad juju?
What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.



 
DanMartin
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01-31-09 10:57 AM - Post#523664    



  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej




I just looked at his total posts.
Practice what you suck at.


 
Yeti
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01-31-09 11:01 AM - Post#523667    



500 dips a day sounds like a good way to ruin your shoulders. If you were to do 500 reps of anything I think you'd be better off with deep knee bends.
"When [defeat] comes, I won't even notice. I'll be too busy looking good."


 
DanMartin
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01-31-09 11:05 AM - Post#523669    



I say we encourage him and let the chips fall where they may.
Practice what you suck at.


 
jej
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01-31-09 11:13 AM - Post#523672    



  • DanMartin Said:
  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej




I just looked at his total posts.




Me, too. You may be right.
Last month, I tried 500 reps of STFU one day. I felt I had a lot of personal growth as a result, but no visual results.
jej

 
Neander
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01-31-09 11:41 AM - Post#523686    



Sounds good.
I'd recommend keeping your head shaved so you don't have to put your shoulders through the daily pain of combing your hair.
The man you are going to be is a Man standing on top of a mountain
made of the dead versions of yourself.




 
Kyle Estle
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500 dips per day?
01-31-09 12:02 PM - Post#523703    



I don't know what a "ground dip" is. If it's a push up call it a push up. If it's something else please explain.
Performance, Health, and Longevity


 
Laree
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01-31-09 12:52 PM - Post#523724    



  • DanMartin Said:
  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej




I just looked at his total posts.



Nah... ya gotta look at registration date, too: October, 2007. Can't go with troll here. Instead, let's DISCOURAGE this 500 daily dips idea. This sounds like such a shoulder killer, it's hurting just thinking about it.


 
DanMartin
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01-31-09 01:36 PM - Post#523749    



  • Laree Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej




I just looked at his total posts.



Nah... ya gotta look at registration date, too: October, 2007. Can't go with troll here. Instead, let's DISCOURAGE this 500 daily dips idea. This sounds like such a shoulder killer, it's hurting just thinking about it.



Think Burpee's without the benefit.
Practice what you suck at.


 
Longhorn1rob
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01-31-09 01:48 PM - Post#523751    



Where is Mr. Dips? He hasn't posted since the troll comment. This takes Dan's one lift a day protocol to a whole new level. One lift per 200 days. Which also reminds me of Dan's tip on overkill:


  • Quoting:

3. Beware overkill.

Hn example of overkill:

"If jumping off a small box helps my vertical leap, then jumping off a building will help that much more."

Whenever I think about this, I'm reminded of my uncle who survived a fall of 39 stories off a building. Unfortunately, the building was 40 stories. Get it? He was fine for 39 stories; it was the last one that did him in. Of course, my uncle was an optimist. At the 26th floor a lady leaned out the window and asked, "How’s it going?" My uncle answered, "So far, so good!"

Okay, sorry, enough of that. This little warning illustrated by the statement above is perhaps the most ignored in most people’s training programs.

"If two sets of curls make my biceps pump, I'll do twenty and the pump will stay with me until the lights come on at the club at three in the morning."

Well, the pump doesn’t last that long and what are you doing at a club that late anyway?

Basically, I'm talking about overkill here. You shoot the deer, then pump it full of twenty more shots "just to make sure." It's the most common error in sports:

"Sixty grams of fiber a day is what some guys take to cut fat, so I’ll take in 160."

"The Bulgarians train six times a day, so I'll train twelve!"

"Arnold got up to 240 in the off-season, so I'll get up to 480 and be twice as big!"

You’ve seen it. You've done it. We all do it. Stop doing it.

Have Bucket. Will Travel... R.I.P. Kris.


"If you train hard, you'll not only be hard, you'll be hard to beat."


 
cajinjohn
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01-31-09 03:02 PM - Post#523777    



If 500 pushups is your thing then combine them with at least 500 pullups. Be careful to listen to your shoulder joint.
It don't matter


 
Marooned Mike
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Re: 500 dips per day?
02-01-09 01:11 AM - Post#523892    



  • Kyle E. Said:
I don't know what a "ground dip" is. If it's a push up call it a push up. If it's something else please explain.



Kyle,

A variety of Push-Ups are also known as Dips (it's an old-timey term seldom used anymore, but it still pops up here & there -- it's legit).
2009 Motto: Thinking Positive, Being Positive
"Start out easy & don't compete against anyone but yourself." -- Steve Reeves
"...work up to the number of repetitions that you feel necessary to do the trick. Don't hold yourself down to any hidebound number of repetitions." -- George F. Jowett
"Weight training is successful when you perservere." -- Mike Dayton




Edited by Marooned Mike on 02-01-09 01:13 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
ArtV
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02-01-09 10:52 AM - Post#523935    



Your shoulders will never recover...very very bad idea. Pushups are a much better choice.

There's a guy here in Nashville that set a new world record..I think 3000 at one sitting...
Might be wrong...I watched him do 100 in 3 minutes on the news. He positioned his elbows close to his body....looked like mostly a tricep exersice.
I'd rather wear out than rust out.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

“The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool to the left.”

Support an Olympic Athlete.



 
ArtV
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02-01-09 10:54 AM - Post#523936    



  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • jej Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Troll on juju, troll on.



Dan:
Or not. He posted this once and got a suggestion to move it, and then another suggestion to move it.
jej




I just looked at his total posts.




Me, too. You may be right.
Last month, I tried 500 reps of STFU one day. I felt I had a lot of personal growth as a result, but no visual results.
jej





Funny dude...way funny....roflmao
I'd rather wear out than rust out.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

“The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of the fool to the left.”

Support an Olympic Athlete.



 
juju
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02-01-09 08:52 PM - Post#524055    



You guys are awesome :).
Thx for all the suggestion. sorry my comp broke, so I couldn't log on for last three days.
To clarify, my dips are actually pushups. as one post says.
and I have done it about 2640 a day (for three consecutive days!) when I was young. ( After three days, I couldn't move even my finger for a couple of days)
My push up style - My hands are closer to my body than in the style of a push up, that's why I call it a dip.

500 push ups are really not a lot of exercise.
I hate (I mean hate!) cardio so I use these push ups to keep my heart rate high. I do about 25 pushups per 2 minutes. I finish the 500 pushups in about an hour while doing my morning chores (make break fast for my daughter and me, preparing her for school, etc).
This exercise did actually used to cause a little pain in the beginning, but now for last four days, I have been doing bar hangs ( just hang on a horizontal bar, and do some pull ups if possible!), the pain is almost vanished.
In my childhood I knew many people who did 200-300 dips (push ups) a day, every day (actually as a ritual :).

As a matter of fact, this is my 27th day and I finished about 16000+ pushups.
For first three months I have decided not to add any weight training everyday except bar hangs. On the week ends, I do my dead lifts, squats and lot of pulling exercises. But during the week, just push ups and hangs.
 
Marooned Mike
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500 dips per day?
02-02-09 12:14 AM - Post#524081    



Charles Atlas did 300 Push-Ups (aka Dips) a day as well, but 500 (even 300) is excessive if you're having joint-pains & especially bad if you're not counter-balancing the chest-building effects of the Push-Ups with plenty of antagonistic back-work. *

Just because we can do something doesn't necessarily mean that we should do it.

* = Of course, as with all things physical (at least due in part to our individual differences): results may vary.
2009 Motto: Thinking Positive, Being Positive
"Start out easy & don't compete against anyone but yourself." -- Steve Reeves
"...work up to the number of repetitions that you feel necessary to do the trick. Don't hold yourself down to any hidebound number of repetitions." -- George F. Jowett
"Weight training is successful when you perservere." -- Mike Dayton




Edited by Marooned Mike on 02-02-09 12:16 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Manor
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02-02-09 07:54 AM - Post#524120    



Push ups are a poor cardio exercise. You need something that will maintain a level of conditioning and push ups has deminishing returns. So you'll be more efficient at push ups and less efficient with shoudler movements in the end, not now however in a couple of years... IMO.
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ccrow
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02-02-09 09:31 AM - Post#524151    



1) stretch the heck out of your pectorals!

2) not sure what you're trying to accomplish making pushups into cardio, but if you are doing sets interspersed with other morning chores, the cardio effect is probably negligible.

on a tangent, this circuit is some hard work:

10 pushups
15 squats (no weight)
5 chins

repeat every minute on the minute for 30 minutes

I bet you don't feel like doing that every day

The most important test a lifter has to pass
is the test of time.
-Jon Cole


 
Wicked Willie
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02-02-09 09:44 AM - Post#524154    



Juju:

As honorable as your intentions may be...I'd seriously reconsider doing this. The shoulder is a delicate joint and held in place mainly by muscle. There is a mentality out there that if 1X of a movement is good, then 10X will be that much better.

T'ain't necessarily so.

There is a fellow on the internet that hawks a bodyweight conditioning system called "The Royal Court" that has as one of its goals the daily performance of 500 full squats (Hindu squats.) He makes all kinds of outrageous claims about the benefits of this and how the knees are free from damage, etc. ad nauseum.

On a lark, (and because I'm that way) I did 510 of these styles squats one day. No real problem from this one episode...but I can see where the daily practice would result in over-use stress.
(I've read an author that vigorously disagrees with this fellow...he had actually interviewed Indian wrestlers whose knees where trashed by these style squats in excessive reps...but I digress.)

Push ups aren't the best choice for cardio...though a very useful movement.

Even water in excessive quantities can be harmful....

Wicked
"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in."

"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6


 
juju
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02-02-09 12:04 PM - Post#524198    



I got the clue.
I received a great set of advice almost unequivocally.
If I conclude correctly, the repetitive syndrome that you have mentioned may hurt in a long run. The damage may show up years down the road.

I'll try to do some other exercises/combinations that can start my day at home (getting to gym early is not convenient for me.)

Thx all for the wake up call. I guess, posting on this forum was a good idea.
 
Longhorn1rob
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02-02-09 12:54 PM - Post#524231    



  • Wicked Willie Said:
Juju:

As honorable as your intentions may be...I'd seriously reconsider doing this. The shoulder is a delicate joint and held in place mainly by muscle. There is a mentality out there that if 1X of a movement is good, then 10X will be that much better.

T'ain't necessarily so.


There is a fellow on the internet that hawks a bodyweight conditioning system called "The Royal Court" that has as one of its goals the daily performance of 500 full squats (Hindu squats.) He makes all kinds of outrageous claims about the benefits of this and how the knees are free from damage, etc. ad nauseum.

On a lark, (and because I'm that way) I did 510 of these styles squats one day. No real problem from this one episode...but I can see where the daily practice would result in over-use stress.
(I've read an author that vigorously disagrees with this fellow...he had actually interviewed Indian wrestlers whose knees where trashed by these style squats in excessive reps...but I digress.)

Push ups aren't the best choice for cardio...though a very useful movement.

Even water in excessive quantities can be harmful....

Wicked



That's what I was trying to get at, Willie. You see that a lot.
Have Bucket. Will Travel... R.I.P. Kris.


"If you train hard, you'll not only be hard, you'll be hard to beat."


 
Neander
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02-02-09 02:45 PM - Post#524265    



My physiotherapist friend recommends 500 dips not pushups
but the economy's pretty tight right now.
The man you are going to be is a Man standing on top of a mountain
made of the dead versions of yourself.




 
sean .
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02-03-09 10:49 AM - Post#524491    



500 dips a day ? ..whats the point! ..seems like an obsessive disorder to me, do you get out of bed and check the doors locked 500 times too?...



"Never rub another man's rubarb!"
Jack nicholson aka "The joker"
(After knocking bruce wayne -Batman sparko..)


 
Stingo
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500 dips per day?
02-04-09 11:30 AM - Post#524866    



I am way late on this but I would say listen to your shoulders and first hint of pain or prolonged soreness, back off. It's fun to try something extreme now and then but I would say 500 dips a day isn't the "secret" to a hard upper body. The secret is there is no secret... it's just doing a variety of exercizes with consistency and focus, throwing in a little "extreme" now and then... I hit the heavy bag when I want to feel something change, "rock and shock the fibers..." I also work upper and lower body equally and obsessively.
~ Stingo ~

“A wise man once said nothing”
— a wise man




Edited by Stingo on 02-04-09 11:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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