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11-18-05 08:17 AM - Post#161325    



Leaves have fallen, been raked, fallen(or blown) back , to be raked again(or not). The sun sits differently in the morning sky, as we roll out of the quilted refuge to push it one more time. The jet stream has dipped southward and our breath can be seen. The muscles groan as we ready ourselves for exercise. I have always warmed up on a crosstrainer but have decided to change that up due to the balky knee. I want to increase the range of motion before lifts begin. Normally the 15 minutes spent filling capillaries on the crosstrainer do the trick. Now I find that the bike just doesnt allow for proper stretching of the knee, or at least not quite like the crosstrainer does. I've heard it is not a good idea to stretch cold; something about muscle pulls. Any thoughts or routines you follow? www.thestretchinghandbook.com/archives/

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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 09:05 AM - Post#161326    



What you've heard is true...stretching a cold muscle can create "micro tears" and actually defeat the purpose of stretching. It's better to do something of a repetitive nature to assist in raising your core temperature and activating the synovial fluid in your joints...THEN stretch. Or simply stretch as a "cool down" post workout.

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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 09:14 AM - Post#161327    



Willie is right. Doing an activity that raises your body temperature and increases respirations before stretching is a must. Once again, another reason for owning the Bill Starr book "Strongest Shall Survive." There is an excellent section on warming up and stretching.

What it boils down to is this; do something that makes you break a sweat before you stretch.
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 10:07 AM - Post#161328    



don't stretch cold and don't static stretch before performing an exercise. Do it after the workout. So, practice dynamic strecth after warmup by doing reps with the bar on whatever exercise you do. AFter the workout, do static stretch.

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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 10:10 AM - Post#161329    



The three masters are right on this.
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 10:42 AM - Post#161330    



Beacause I work out in the PM, I find I do not have to stretch, before or after training. If I were to workout in the morning upon rising, then yes, I agree with all the above advice.
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 10:56 AM - Post#161331    



Make that four.

Do you guys think static stretching between sets is sufficient? I rarely do much stretching post-workout because it's boring and time-consuming. Lately, to improve flexibility, I've been ending leg workouts with lunges (a good dynamic stretching movement). Hanging from the pullup bar or doing pullovers would seem like a smart way to finish an upper body workout, but what do i know?

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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 10:59 AM - Post#161332    



IMO, stretching is over rated. If you do full squats, pulls, presses and assorted stuff on pullup and dip bars you are flexible.
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 11:05 AM - Post#161333    



I've been doing a *little* stretching and am considering a more organized approach. One thing Bill Pearl said in the Bash seminar (the one you missed, Dan, because you were looking after our tri-tip), was that he and Dave didn't stretch because of the era they came up in. He now recommends it and wishes he'd stretched in his earlier years so he'd be more flexible now; he doesn't stretch now because he can't.


 
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-18-05 07:42 PM - Post#161334    



Quote:

DanMartin said:
IMO, stretching is over rated. If you do full squats, pulls, presses and assorted stuff on pullup and dip bars you are flexible.




I totally agree with this.
I only stretch after to relax.
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Re: Stretching cold muscles
11-19-05 07:09 AM - Post#161335    



Static stretches are definitely no good for cold muscles. The current phobia about static stretching weakening you before a workout may very well be overblown. This is another tidbit the t-nation gang picked up in some exercise physiology text and ran fast and long with. I really wish those guys would finish the chapters they are reading before dashing off to write an e-article.

Yes, research does show that static stretching leaves a muscle weak, temporarily. The duration of "temporarily" is currently a hot topic with the lab geeks. It's probably safe to say, if you static stretch between your warmup and your workout, your strength will probably be back to normal before you're through your warmup sets.

If you're still scared of stretching, consider dynamic stretching. Look at this excellent warmup:

http://ronjones.org/Coach&Train/ExercisePhotos/BodyWeight/WarmUps/MovementPrep/

You can go through a sequence of this type of exercises, limiting the range of motion when you begin, letting it get longer as you warm up. You get your stretching in with your warmup, a two-fer.

This type of active exercise builds dynamic flexibility, which will usually carry over to lifting weights or athletic performance better than static stretching. However it's been my experience that if you're really tight, simple static stretching will loosen you up in a hurry. It's like a more concentrated dose of the same medicine.

If loosening up before workouts helps you maintain better form, you'll be MUCH better off when lifting heavy weights. For example, if you're hamstrings are tight when you go to squat, it can make your back round over. This will lead to missed lifts, make a habit of bad form, and worst case will leave you injured.

Flexibility is like any other part of fitness, do what you have to to attain the level you need. If you have adequate flexibility just doing full range of motion weight training, you don't need to stretch. And if that's you, congratulations, you are a one in a thousand person. Lots of elite weightlifters don't stretch and they are super flexible. But you can bet they stretched a lot as beginners. You can also bet that they would again if they found some tightness developing.

A certain level of flexibility is prerequisite for lifting weights, running, or even just keeping decent posture. Many things we do, such as sitting, bench pressing, and aging, impair flexibility. There are different theories on how to get flexibile, but it's the results that count. Don't declare victory because you're satisfied with the theory you have chosen. Assess your flexibility, be honest, and if what you're doing isn't working, you better find another theory.
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