05-07-08 10:36 AM - Post#439632    

I've never been one to get a full 8hr restful sleep but lately now that I'm giving DC training a try, I'm really making an effort to get in a few additional hours of sleep a night. I find I'm up quite a few times during the night...sometimes every hour.
Thinking about trying ZMA. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Mike

05-07-08 10:53 AM - Post#439641    

Here's what works for me:
Betancourt Glutamine, flavored, 6g
Melatonin, 3g
ZMA, 3 caps

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05-07-08 10:59 AM - Post#439649    

Thanks John.

All stuff I can get at GNC or Vit Shoppe?

05-07-08 11:11 AM - Post#439668    

Tryptophan is available again, too - was off the market for a long time. I'd try the ZMA first, and be prepared for some freaky dreams.

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05-07-08 11:13 AM - Post#439671    

• jmac Said:

You like that too? The stuff tastes awesome.

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05-07-08 11:22 AM - Post#439680    

Mike, I get it all at Vitamin Shoppe, use their brands with the exception of the Glutamine.
Steve, the glutamine is the bomb....

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05-07-08 12:57 PM - Post#439744    

• jmac Said:

You probably mean Melatonin 3mg.

05-07-08 12:58 PM - Post#439746    

Thanks for catching that Stan, yes, 3mg on the melatonin....

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05-07-08 02:06 PM - Post#439778    

What's ZMA?

Current challenge: Deadlift 2.5 x bodyweight

05-07-08 02:20 PM - Post#439796    

I love the ZMA for sleeping. weird dreams tho. and for women it's only 2 caps.

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05-07-08 02:28 PM - Post#439806    

I like benadryl (I buy the generic brand).

It's not habit forming, is seriously inexpensive and works like a charm.

It's time to move on,time to get going, What lies ahead, I have no way of knowing, But under my feet baby, grass is growing, It's time to move on, it's time to get going... Lyrics and music by Tom Petty

Sleep Aids?
05-07-08 04:41 PM - Post#439873    

anyone here try gravol

Current challenge: Deadlift 2.5 x bodyweight

Edited by Johnny O on 05-07-08 04:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

05-07-08 04:55 PM - Post#439878    

• Johnny O Said:

This is ZMA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)

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05-07-08 04:56 PM - Post#439879    

You must not be tired. Workout until exhausted, then do some more. Pretty soon you'll get tired and sleep through the night.

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05-07-08 05:00 PM - Post#439880    

Best sleep aid I discovered was reducing caffeine intake.

"It is not an uncommon experience for people to talk and argue a great deal about something without anybody bothering to define precisely what it is." - Ross J.S. Hoffman I would like to see the truth clearly before it is too late. - Sartre We must begin by a definition, although definition involves a mental effort and therefore repels. - Hilaire Belloc

05-07-08 05:10 PM - Post#439884    

Valerian Root. 100% natural and it really works. I am an insomniac and it works very well for me. You can find it at any drug store. One word of caution however, it smells

05-07-08 05:17 PM - Post#439886    

Read a boring book...

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.

05-07-08 05:17 PM - Post#439887    

• Steve C Said:

That definately helps. I don't drink coffee or tea after lunch anymore. Between that and a good hard evening (7 PM) workout and my postwork out glass of milk and Hershey's chocolate (Mmmm mmm good) I sleep like a babe until 5 AM!

05-07-08 05:26 PM - Post#439890    

• pink.pixie Said:

This definately works too.

Try this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Birth-Num bers-Jan-Gullberg/dp/0393 04002X/ref=tag_tdp_sv_edp p_i

This is actually a superb book, it's one of my favorite books on Math. Basically, history of math from the "birth of numbers".

05-07-08 05:31 PM - Post#439894    

• jmac Said:

Steve and John:

Is there one flavor of the Betancourt you prefer? I think I'll order some.

kim

05-07-08 10:30 PM - Post#440009    

Turn down the lights well before bedtime.

"When [defeat] comes, I won't even notice. I'll be too busy looking good."

Sleep Aids?
05-08-08 12:01 AM - Post#440037    

• ccrow Said:

tryptophan, an amino acid, is a precursor to production of somatotropin by the pituitary. Further metabolic steps past that of somatotropin results in melatonin. and tryptophan first metabolizes to 5-HTP, available OTC during the FDA's persecution of tryptophan.

It may just be my sensitivity to melatonin, but I find the standard 3 mg way too much - it gives me a pronounced hangover next morning. Of all things, Walmart actually sells 300 mcg (microgram) melatonin - for a darn good price, too. I sleep really well is that little amount of melatonin. It is, however, advised NEVER to use melatonin for those under 40 - we begin producing less after 40. Since I'm well past 40 and 50 and nearing half passed 60, I usually take it 5 nights out of the week.

For ZMA, you can combine a zinc supplement with a magnesium supplement along with 100 mg of b-6. I've never noted this stuff contributing to enhancing sleep, however. The original basis for using it was to not mix both with Calcium - it's claimed that calcium competes with both zinc and magnesium for uptake, and wins - so BALCO recommended separating the use of both.

Benadryl will sure make you sleep as will any other anti-histamine. I've heard it also resensitizes androgen receptor sites for those who use and abuse cleb. On a comparative basis, I'd go for melatonin any day since benadryl really wipes me out. In recent years I've had to use it sometimes going on 2-3 months due to Cedar allergies in Nov-March in the Hill Country - and that really takes a fatigue toll on me.

hope this helps someone

Edited by Budhi on 05-08-08 12:02 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

05-08-08 07:40 AM - Post#440075    

Generic 25 mg antihistamine tablets are an OTC item at most pharmacies.

05-08-08 09:02 AM - Post#440100    

Thanks everyone!

I took three caps of ZMA and 2mg of meletonin last night and it did help. I still found myself waking up a few times and unable quickly fall back to sleep. BUT overall it was an improvement.

Mike