iPood
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01-21-22 09:10 AM - Post#916287
… and other lame excuses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJDAljhAcZo
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
Edited by iPood on 01-21-22 09:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Jordan Derksen
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01-21-22 09:41 AM - Post#916288
If he would have just done double overhand and skipped the straps he could have been done in 1.5 minutes. 405 is an excellent deadlift for the average human.
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AAnnunz
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BAM!!! Dr. Baraki's conventional deadlifts are very impressive, too.
In a podcast where the host asks Baraki what exercise routine he recommends for longevity and health, he approached his everyone can make time to train theme differently. Instead of talking about heavy deadlifts, general strength training, maintaining muscle mass, etc., he went right to what will keep people independent as they age. Specifically, do a few reps of chair sit-stands (with a load, if possible), several times a day. Not applicable to any of us (yet), but something to keep in mind for those of you who are trying to help your parents and grandparents stay out of nursing homes.
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Kyle Aaron
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01-22-22 07:29 PM - Post#916313
Education, income, and fitness - it's remarkable how little of these are required to stop a person's life being awful.
It's also remarkable how many people don't achieve that. This is what motivates teachers, parents and trainers to push people so far beyond that, they want those under them to have a surplus.
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Pepper
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I wonder about that often. I think one reason is that the fitness industry is making training out to be this super complicated thing. Just look at how much stuff is out there on how to do a turkish get-up or a swing or so. It's really not that complicated. I mean, sure, you have to play around with it until you figure it out, but come on. Sure, you can always optimize, but for the majority of people, good enough is, well, good enough.
I think this idea of "practice makes permanent, so don't dare to do something without first getting a trainer and reading all the books in case you don't do it perfectly" has made many people so scared to just go and play with stuff that they just don't.
Edit: Sorry, I don't mean to step on anyone's toes. Trainers and so on are valuable. I don't mean to make light of their/your work.
Edited by Pepper on 01-23-22 03:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Kyle Aaron
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I just checked, none of my toes have been stepped on.
It's true, most of it's not that complicated, technically. But still, most people don't do it.
There's that bit in Good Will Hunting.
Will: [...] you dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!
Clark: Yeah, but I will have a degree. And you'll be servin' my kids fries at a drive-thru on our way to a skiing trip.
Will: Yeah, maybe. But at least I won't be unoriginal.
Here's the thing, though: yes, you can get an education equivalent to a university degree with a dollar-fifty in late library fees. But how many people have done this?
Imagine this test. Take two people, Anna and Bob. Anna goes to university and does a degree in, oh I don't know, chemistry. She spends four years there, doesn't push herself too hard, parties a bit. Bob meanwhile goes to a really good local public library. Every year he sits the chemistry exams with Anna. Will he pass 100-level? Maybe. 200? Perhaps. 300? Unlikely. 400-level? I'd be surprised.
And that's because yes, a good public library has all this information, but where do you start? What's a good starting text? And inside that big chunky book, what should you focus on? And once you've got a handle on that, where do you guy from there, what's the next step?
So yes, people can do this stuff on their own. But 70% of the population are overweight or obese, parts of the US have got higher amputee rates than they had after the Civil War, so... maybe most people can't do this on their own.
It comes back to that thing some guy said: "Show up, don't quit, and ask questions." What does a trainer do? Well, they help you show up, they encourage you to not quit - and they answer questions.
And the trainer - if they're good - will also have a gym full of other people showing up, not quitting, and asking questions. And those peers will help the person, too.
I openly tell people that when they start: you're not paying for the gear, that's cheap. You're paying a bit for technique learning, but that doesn't take long, this is barbells, not ballet. And you're paying a bit for programming so you can go further than you would on your own. But mostly you're paying for accountability and camaraderie, both from me and the other people in the gym.
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iPood
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But mostly you're paying for accountability and camaraderie, both from me and the other people in the gym.
That’s exactly why despite everything stacked against, Crossfit is a worldwide success. Community and a general sense of accomplishment are very powerful motivators.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
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WxHerk
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I just checked, none of my toes have been stepped on.
It's true, most of it's not that complicated, technically. But still, most people don't do it.
There's that bit in Good Will Hunting.
Will: [...] you dropped 150 grand on a fuckin' education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!
Clark: Yeah, but I will have a degree. And you'll be servin' my kids fries at a drive-thru on our way to a skiing trip.
Will: Yeah, maybe. But at least I won't be unoriginal.
Here's the thing, though: yes, you can get an education equivalent to a university degree with a dollar-fifty in late library fees. But how many people have done this?
Imagine this test. Take two people, Anna and Bob. Anna goes to university and does a degree in, oh I don't know, chemistry. She spends four years there, doesn't push herself too hard, parties a bit. Bob meanwhile goes to a really good local public library. Every year he sits the chemistry exams with Anna. Will he pass 100-level? Maybe. 200? Perhaps. 300? Unlikely. 400-level? I'd be surprised.
And that's because yes, a good public library has all this information, but where do you start? What's a good starting text? And inside that big chunky book, what should you focus on? And once you've got a handle on that, where do you guy from there, what's the next step?
So yes, people can do this stuff on their own. But 70% of the population are overweight or obese, parts of the US have got higher amputee rates than they had after the Civil War, so... maybe most people can't do this on their own.
It comes back to that thing some guy said: "Show up, don't quit, and ask questions." What does a trainer do? Well, they help you show up, they encourage you to not quit - and they answer questions.
And the trainer - if they're good - will also have a gym full of other people showing up, not quitting, and asking questions. And those peers will help the person, too.
I openly tell people that when they start: you're not paying for the gear, that's cheap. You're paying a bit for technique learning, but that doesn't take long, this is barbells, not ballet. And you're paying a bit for programming so you can go further than you would on your own. But mostly you're paying for accountability and camaraderie, both from me and the other people in the gym.
Outstanding, Kyle. Absolutely outstanding, but your contributions always are.
Seems like I've heard a somewhat renowned Strength Training Coach use the term "Intentional Community...."
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Andy Mitchell
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Exercise is very basic and it doesn’t need you to be a very smart person (I know)
I was very lucky to be in the presence of four or five older blokes, I was 16 and although i didn’t work with them I watched, looking back I reckon they could’ve been in their 50’s, their work was hard yakka and very basic.
But having said that I think that to be a true student of everything you are required to have no bias, and that’s achieved by reading everything on both sides.
Most people that go to gym do it for social reasons and that is the wrong road . Imo
Nice legs-shame about the face
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Jordan D
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But having said that I think that to be a true student of everything you are required to have no bias, and that’s achieved by reading everything on both sides.
Most people that go to gym do it for social reasons and that is the wrong road . Imo
I agree with this with some qualifications. The community, the social reasons, can get you to "pretty good." They seem to get you to the average of the community (which, as a coach or leader, is probably the primary and noblest concern). But to go beyond that is a solitary journey. Train together, compete alone. And if you're competing against yourself, you have to become a student again, probably stay that way forever, and probably learn that that's the real goal in the end.
Then again, maybe this is just my own personality disorder, haha. And probably why I enjoy watching videos of old Dorian Yates talking about yoga and meditation.
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Matt_T
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But having said that I think that to be a true student of everything you are required to have no bias, and that’s achieved by reading everything on both sides.
Most people that go to gym do it for social reasons and that is the wrong road . Imo
I agree with this with some qualifications. The community, the social reasons, can get you to "pretty good." They seem to get you to the average of the community (which, as a coach or leader, is probably the primary and noblest concern). But to go beyond that is a solitary journey. Train together, compete alone. And if you're competing against yourself, you have to become a student again, probably stay that way forever, and probably learn that that's the real goal in the end.
Then again, maybe this is just my own personality disorder, haha. And probably why I enjoy watching videos of old Dorian Yates talking about yoga and meditation.
I'd agree. Always found my own motivation the best.
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Kyle Aaron
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01-25-22 05:03 PM - Post#916383
I agree that those there for whom the social aspect is primary won't go far. But those particular people would go nowhere at all on their own.
Again I point to education systems, except the difference here is that we'd have to imagine that most people didn't start even primary school until they sought it out in adulthood, and it was entirely voluntary. What would literacy and numeracy look like then?
Rippetoe recently wrote an article about what makes a good coach, and he noted the target is mainly novices, since almost everyone in the general population is a novice.
He also noted that people with more than about three to four years of lifting behind them won't listen to a coach anyway, regardless of their level of performance, their injuries etc. After three to four years it doesn't matter if your coach or gym and results are great or terrible, you've stopped listening.
Trainers focus on novices, who are under 50% of the world record, of possible performance. That's where you make a difference to people's quality of life.
Again - 70% of Westerners are fat, and a higher fraction weak and unfit. Trainers are like adult literacy teachers in a country with about 15% literacy, and where the 15% literate either have degrees or think they do.
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Andy Mitchell
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01-25-22 06:11 PM - Post#916388
I agree that those there for whom the social aspect is primary won't go far. But those particular people would go nowhere at all on their own.
Again I point to education systems, except the difference here is that we'd have to imagine that most people didn't start even primary school until they sought it out in adulthood, and it was entirely voluntary. What would literacy and numeracy look like then?
Rippetoe recently wrote an article about what makes a good coach, and he noted the target is mainly novices, since almost everyone in the general population is a novice.
He also noted that people with more than about three to four years of lifting behind them won't listen to a coach anyway, regardless of their level of performance, their injuries etc. After three to four years it doesn't matter if your coach or gym and results are great or terrible, you've stopped listening.
Trainers focus on novices, who are under 50% of the world record, of possible performance. That's where you make a difference to people's quality of life.
Again - 70% of Westerners are fat, and a higher fraction weak and unfit. Trainers are like adult literacy teachers in a country with about 15% literacy, and where the 15% literate either have degrees or think they do.
Yeah well I’m not going to speculate about peoples choice in terms of their own journey.
Mark Rippetoe is an extremely passionate bloke about what he does and he is an (to me) a excellent teacher of the big three.
I think when a trainee works out it should be a solitary endeavour a very personal thing and either side of the workout I don’t really care what goes on, but when you’re working out that is the sole focus.
There’s a huge problem with the fitness industry and it’s not going away, physical preparedness itself is a very simple and quick activity made very complicated by “industry”
Right now we’ve got so called experts trying to fix many people because they are unable to distinguish between sport and proper exercise
Nice legs-shame about the face
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Jordan Derksen
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01-26-22 08:56 AM - Post#916402
My best weightlifting results were when I was lifting in a gym. When half the gym is watching to see if you're gonna make your top triple in the snatch that day it's exhilarating.
At home I tend to lose focus, program hop, and don't push myself as hard.
My best grades were in college where we had small classes and I made good friendships. I gathered a team of smart people around me. We challenged each other. This is not to toot my own horn, I'm not that smart. It was the guys around me. I won several scholarships and awards and graduated with honors. Still have no idea who marked my papers but thanks to whoever did.
University was a solo endeavor. Big classes and broken up schedules made it hard to find a consistent group. My grades were mediocre. The performance just wasn't there.
I agree with Kyle. People need a tribe. People excel with others around them.
Doesn't mean you can't get good results at home. For sure you can. But any results you get solo would arguably be better if you had a group of like minded people around you.
Key is like minded. Finding your tribe is a near impossible task.
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Matt_T
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01-26-22 10:10 AM - Post#916405
Depends how you're wired I think. Taking the academic example did far better on exams than coursework, particularly group work, to the point where I would choose modules purely because there was an exam and no BS group presentations and things. That said, I do get the competitive thing with an audience, but then I also used to be bored shitless doing team sports and gravitated inevitably more to stuff where I competed on my own or against myself.
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iPood
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01-26-22 10:22 AM - Post#916406
Finding your tribe is a near impossible task.
I’ve found mine!
Sloth strength for the win! 
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
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Matt_T
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01-26-22 10:24 AM - Post#916408
Finding your tribe is a near impossible task.
I’ve found mine!
Sloth strength for the win!
Was amazed to find out from my 9 year old these guys are pretty good swimmers. How does that work
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iPood
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Was amazed to find out from my 9 year old these guys are pretty good swimmers. How does that work
Fun fact: they can move three times as fast in the water as they do on land!
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
Edited by iPood on 01-26-22 11:43 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Matt_T
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01-26-22 11:15 AM - Post#916413
Finding your tribe is a near impossible task.
I’ve found mine!
Sloth strength for the win!
Was amazed to find out from my 9 year old these guys are pretty good swimmers. How does that work
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