CW Northrop
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01-31-19 04:42 AM - Post#877409
This is probably the 100th thread on Vince Gironda’s 36 eggs a day diet… lol.
Vince’s special protein drink:
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2 oz. Half and Half
2 … 12 raw eggs
(some flavor, like vanilla, cinnamon)
(hard gainers add 1/3 cup of protein powder)
Sip slowly and prepare up to 3 of those mixtures throughout the day.
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I live in a metric world and there is no half & half where I live. The next best thing is “coffee whitener†(12% fat, pasteurized). They don’t call it cream to not offend anyone, lol. The latest fad of the industry. One container incl. 200 grams (approx. 7 oz.) and ca. 270 cal. I normally get 3 servings out of it, ca. 66g each (90 cal).
The whole egg liquid
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I weighed them a couple of times, good-sized, medium to large eggs:
10 whole eggs (liquid only)
576 g
573 g
572 g
576 g
6 eggs
336 g
36 whole eggs amount to 2,057 grams (four and a half pounds) of semi-liquid food.
Or, in other words: 3,065 cal for the eggs alone, no half & half added yet (that would be another 250 cal).
2 oz half & half + 12 whole eggs equal to a little over 1,100 cal (3,315 cal for 3 such drinks, additional ingredients not counted).
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There is another version of Vince’s egg drink out in the wilds, calling for a whopping 12 oz. of half & half.
I know that his pamphlets were riddled with typos and this is almost certainly one. The only other explanation would be that he used to recommend the 12x12 drink to a skinny guy who couldn’t gain any weight.
12 oz. of half & half = 490 cal (instead of 82) (x3).
12 oz half & half + 12 whole eggs equal to ca. 1,512 cal (4,535 cal for 3 such drinks, additional ingredients not counted).
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If I put my stats into some online calculators, they keep telling me that for a guy of my size & age, something between 2,000 and 2,500 calories is maintenance level. My body type is called “endomorph†I believe which means that I put on weight easily. If I were to eat 36 whole eggs a day, I’d probably balloon up and go full Hindenburg mode.
In my case, 18-24 eggs a day seem just about right.
The good news is that, from my own experience, you can make substantial gains even if you have only access to pasteurized eggs & cream. Oh, and I have never had any issues with salmonella and stuff (knocks on wood). Just don’t forget to take digestive enzymes or HCL tablets every now and then. A highly acidic environment in your stomach is your best insurance against nasty salmonella.
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rvan
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01-31-19 10:50 AM - Post#877424
There is a lot of buzz on YouTube about Vince's 36 egg thing. To many videos to mention. I watched a few and none said anything raw eggs. In his book "unleashing the wild Physique" he talked about the fork beaten eggs and cream.
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Neander
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If it works for ya, great, and I don't really want to bring up the issue of the 'missing ingredient' in any very high protein diet aimed at building muscle tissue but it's a primary factor. Protein synthesis is dependent on certain hormonal balances, some of which can be altered chemically. Nuff said on that tissue issue.
I don't see any 'magical' qualities in any food eaten in exaggerated quantities, shy of levels high enough to poison, but they keep coming up in various guises throughout history.
The 36 egg thing is interesting, no question:
That quantity of eggs alone, not the variation you're presenting of course, puts around 5500 calories (around 450 g protein) in your system every day. If the nutrient isn't converted, again that issue of synthesis, the excess will wind up being eliminated or worse yet 'held' as fat. We really need a 'diet musical' on Broadway 'cause the lines are definitely there. You say potato, I say Paleo and all that kind of fun. Add some dance and we've got a fitness program!
But hey, each person's metabolism and hormonal system is different, so you may be one of the naturally lucky ones and get some great results.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
I for one am rootin' for ya.
This could easily bring up the topic of nutrition history and how, it might seem when viewed via 'time lapse' photography, diet trends go off in this direction and that before returning over and over to that well traveled middle road to Mediterranean areas, with minor alterations and tweaks to suit the person's lifestyle needs.
As long as I'm verbally 'gassing' away here, it's worth a mention that for a good decade I ate around a dozen raw eggs a day and not once suffered any ill effects. But like you mentioned, it's a bit of a crapshoot.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Edited by Neander on 02-01-19 12:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Kyle Aaron
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As long as I'm verbally 'gassing' away here
Eat 36 eggs a day and the gas wouldn't be just be verbal.
What people have against just eating a normal day's food I'll never understand.
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Wicked Willie
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02-02-19 11:24 AM - Post#877529
The idea that large quantities of eggs would quickly increase muscle mass is an example of misunderstanding correlation vs. causation and other factors. Many years ago, burn patients were fed up to 36 eggs daily, as an experiment to speed healing and utilization of skin grafts. Some unknown jasper postulated that it would also work in healthy individuals, versus the severely compromised burn patients. There was some success with the burn patients, though probably not universally.
The same mindset applied to Linus Pauling and the mega doses of Vitamin C craze. Pauling's results were with severely compromised patients, i.e. advanced cancer patients, if I remember correctly. Also, his "scientific method" was not exactly objective or well-managed.
In my limited experience, 6 eggs a day is just as effective as 12 or more...unless I am using the eggs as my sole protein source. However, everyone is a law unto themselves. My best results have come from a much more normal, yet consistent diet.
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Neander
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02-02-19 01:24 PM - Post#877539
Jasper! Smile of the day for me, Bill . . . thanks!
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Upwind
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02-02-19 01:43 PM - Post#877542
I lived in LA for two years in the early 80s and actually made the trek across town to Vince’s gym in Studio City. I was living in Santa Monica and the drive to Studio City could easily take 1-2 hours back then, especially after work.
Instead of trying to train there, I paid for a lot of supplements and some training advice. Everyone’s probably read about the liver tablets Vince championed, but the orchic tablets (desiccated bull’s testicles) I swallowed actually put hair on my chest. I tossed them when that happened.
The egg diet was part of the package I bought from Vince. I don’t recall 36 a day. Instead, I was directed to down as many glasses of raw, fertile eggs stirred with cream as I wanted all day. Dinner was a pound of steak with spinach salad, nothing on it but a splash of lemon juice and salt. Maybe olive oil but I’m not sure.
I managed close to a month following these recommendations. I spent the entire time craving actual food.
If you decide to give Vince’s egg diet a go, I’d recommend avoiding grocery stores and driving or walking near places where food is prepared. Also, avoid magazines with food ads or photos; tv, radio, and online commercials about food; billboards with food on them; and gatherings where people are eating stuff other than raw, fertile eggs mixed with cream.
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tom6112
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02-02-19 05:09 PM - Post#877552
I hardly ever eat eggs
Maybe that is my problem
I have never ate them raw.
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Volumiza
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02-03-19 02:34 PM - Post#877605
Not the sexiest of diets I would imagine.
I eat 3 eggs every morning and frankly I have to switch between fried, boiled and scrambled just to keep them palatable. That’s just 3! 36? That’s either dedication or stupidity but I guess there’s a fine line between that anyway!
Good luck to anyone trying that.
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Neander
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02-03-19 06:04 PM - Post#877612
Where the heck is Cool Hand Newman From Beyond when we need him!
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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rvan
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02-04-19 10:55 AM - Post#877639
Even if the possible anabolic effect was real ,however slight it would be would it be worth it? Slugging down 36 fork beaten raw eggs daily for a month. Sounds terrible.
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CW Northrop
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02-05-19 02:16 AM - Post#877680
Back after a short internet outage.
I'm not a big breakfast eater, never have been. So I don't mind gulping down a semi-liquid egg drink. I have a favorite flavor called "vanilla cookies" plus a bit of organic cinnamon which makes the mixture much more agreeable. Also, I add some psyllium husk to the mix (4-5 g). It's only later in the day, towards dinner, when I need some real food, something to chew on.
No problems with gas.
I guess the point I was trying to make is, that some people have to watch their caloric intake and 36 eggs + additional ingredients are a lot of calories. You need an activity level to match.
Since I want to pursue bodybuilding the natural way, I have to look for ways to boost and/or maintain my hormone levels with food and lifestyle choices. Eggs are one of them and it seems to be working for the most part.
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Jack C
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CW Northrop
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02-10-19 01:52 AM - Post#877947
Thank you, Jack C !
I happen to own a number of Vince's program leaflets, books and modern pdf versions. One good source is this (free):
https://edoc.site/search/Vince+Gironda
I normally don't mind paying for this stuff, but it is cumbersome at times to place an order and to deal with customs when you are not living in the U.S.
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Jack C
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Blair:
The preferred liquid for mlxlng tile protein is half-and-half, and for a good reason. Nature seems to indicate that protein and fat should be taken in even balance. Milk with 3% protein is balanced with an equal amount of fat. Likewise eggs, meat, etc.
If you wish, you may add a raw egg or two to the glassful of protein drink to provide 'a higher biological value. A whole egg adds about six grams of protein. We recommend that you use the whole egg, both yolk and white, and fertile if possible.
From: Attached Blair instructions enclosed with his protein that I ordered and used way back when. See the attachment for further instructions on powder amounts, etc.
Edited by Jack C on 02-10-19 02:03 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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brucedl
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I'm with Willie on this:
In my limited experience, 6 eggs a day is just as effective as 12 or more...unless I am using the eggs as my sole protein source. However, everyone is a law unto themselves. My best results have come from a much more normal, yet consistent diet.
Great advice cause all the magic pills are against the law 
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