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11-18-10 09:54 PM - Post#660953    



The Big 5 of Getting Big
by Dan John


He's a nice guy. Really, he's the kind of guy you would let watch your house and take care of your dog. He asked me a good question:

"Dan, what's the secret to getting big?"

Ah. That question. I really think (put on your Sarcasm Ears, kids, in case you miss it) this is the very first time the question has ever been asked!!!

The questioner has a great life and a lot going on for him. He's in a desperate pursuit for mass gains but he misses terribly. Oh, he has the powders, the protein bars, and the programs littered all over his apartment and small gym.

So what's he missing? Well, I'm going to tell you the "secrets" in just a moment, but I had to remind him of a couple of things first.

I explained to him how we're all lucky to have made it this far. I'm convinced that each of us ignores the role of just good old-fashioned luck in our survival. If some of the new DNA research is true, there were, at one time, only 600 individuals that would eventually develop into humanity.

The numbers were, and continue to be, against our survival. I can think of many small moments in my life where someone pulled me out of a pool or ocean, or convinced me to do something besides the idiotic thing I was about to do. And, I hate to tell him this, but survival seems to favor the skinny. It's easier to pull you out of the pool when you don't weigh much.

So you're lucky. Most people don't ever acknowledge the amazing number of fragile moments that came together to make you "you." I once confused a rather confused young man with the phrase: "Did your parents ever meet?" He replied: "I think so."

How you approach the rest of your life, your attitude about your future, is one of the keys to lifelong fitness. So, while I applaud the goal of getting "big," take a moment and enjoy your health, your wealth, and the sun rising in the morning.

Having said that, let's help my friend get big.

My buddy could be the 97-pound weakling pictured in the ads for the Charles Atlas course that defined strength for a few generations, but he wants to live life BIG! So, I gave him my Big Five of Getting Big. They're old, dusty, rusty and moldy ideas, but I can bet most guys don't follow them.


1. First, stop with all the plates.

There we were trying to get a workout in and he slaps those 2 1/2 pound plates at the end of the bar for his next set. "What are you doing?," I asked.

"I'm going up."

Not very damn quickly, I can tell you that. If I can make one suggestion that'll do wonders for most guys, it's to stop using 2 1/2s or fives or tens. Just use the bigger plates. My good friend, Pavel Tsatsouline, recently told me that I was wrong about suggesting using 35s as, as he put it, "the math is too hard."

Okay, just use 45s and 25s. Yes, it is going to be harder and heavier and you're going to be nervous sometimes making the big jumps, but once you begin doing this you'll notice that you're becoming bigger and stronger.

Now this may shock you, but it's true:

Strong guys are often big guys.

You may or may not like this advice, but at least try a few workouts without using your calculator and spreadsheets and move some iron. It may shock you.


2. Eat some damn food!


There are two issues here. First, I always remember a quote I heard during a weightlifting workshop: "Never have there been so many gathered together to discuss lifting and so few that looked like they ever had lifted weights!"

But they must have been legitimate weight lifters! After all, I kept hearing the snap and crackle of protein bar wrappers being torn apart every two hours.

You see, these guys ate every two hours on extremely rigid schedules but never actually looked like they ate anything! Was it too little nutrition or did they need to eat at one hour and fifty-eight minutes? I have no idea, but it was fun to watch them eat twenty dollars a day in bars and then, later that night, not spend any money at the bars!

This generation saddens me, I must say.

My second point on food is simple. The following is from my upcoming book on gaining size:

Honestly, seriously, you don't know what to do about food? Here is an idea: eat like an adult. Stop eating fast food, stop eating kid's cereal, knock it off with all the sweets and comfort foods whenever your favorite show is not on when you want it on, ease up on the snacking and, don't act like you don't know this, but eat vegetables and fruits more. Really, how difficult is this? Stop with the whining. Stop with the excuses. Act like an adult and stop eating like a television commercial. Grow up.

Here you go: eat food and drink water and, if you take supplements, buy quality stuff. Food should be something that you can imagine where it came from originally. There are no Twinkie Trees. Sorry.

Oh, and that "Twinkie Diet" that's hitting the news about the professor losing 27 pounds? Let me comment: he was eating 1800 calories a day. 1800 calories is called a "snack" to someone who wants to attain "bigness."


3. Start living "big."

You need to sleep big. Seriously, you need to learn to go to bed early, wake up late, lounge around, and take naps. I remember learning that the Cuban National Weightlifting Team slept nine hours a night and took three-hour naps.

Whether this is true or not is not the issue, it supports a point. Later, of course, I found out what taking a "siesta" really meant (knock, knock, wink, wink, nudge, nudge), and maybe that's not a bad idea either.

I'm convinced that for whatever reason the hours of sleep before midnight are "better" than the hours after midnight. Now that I live in a quiet area that gets dark early, I have noticed that it's easy to go to sleep earlier.

Oh, I should note that I don't watch reality television nor do I have an ongoing chat relationship with a really hot girl on the Internet that lives several states away. After dinner, I have a "tipper," read a book, or talk and ease off into the night. Sadly, I now wake up early in the day ready to work and take on the world. I sure do miss waking up crabbing and barking at everyone and needing six pots of coffee.

Big strong guys have a unique ability to sit. They lounge at a high level. They can turn lunch into a marathon. Ease off, Twitchy, and let yourself grow.


4. Technical Mastery.

Most people ignore the fourth principle of getting big. "Technical Mastery" is a key to true life in bigocity. Oh, before I get going, PLEASE don't tell me that you follow this principle because you follow the instructions on the leg extension machine for technical mastery.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to any spa or facility with machines. Here in my complex, we have about five machines with detailed directions on how to adjust the machine to your height, leg length (I'm not kidding), how to grip the handles (when working your legs), how to breathe, and warnings about exertion.

Each machine has a list of about ten things to do before attempting to move.

Compare this to a 600-pound squat. In my prime, I don't remember seeing a checklist near the rack, the platform, or the bench. If you don't take the time to learn to squat correctly, to bench correctly, and to move the big iron correctly, you won't survive to move the big iron correctly. There are dozens of sites, DVDs, books, and resources available for you to learn these lessons. It's then up to you to master the technique.

Listen, this isn't an "Agree to Disagree" issue. It's more like you telling me that you count to ten like this: "1-2-5-3-6-4-7-9-8-10." That's wrong. If you don't have technical mastery, you won't survive moving big weights. Learn it early and then pile on the plates.


5. Rest Periods.

My fifth and final point is something I've been trying to explain for years. It's rest periods. Skinny weak guys are obsessed with rest periods.

Oh, they definitely have value in some workouts. Ten seconds is hell in the Tabata front squat workout. The classic "30/30" workout where you alternate thirty seconds of movement with thirty seconds of rest can be a killer. When I do my "Transformation Program" and map out 1-minute rests between sets of eight, I'm dying by the third set.

Those are all "conditioning" workouts, whatever that means in this day and age. If you want to get big, well, toss all of that out. Seriously. Out.

Years ago I was preparing for a local lifting meet with my good friend Dave Turner, and we'd settled on a last attempt in the Clean and Jerk with 385. Dave's idea was to start with 363, jump to 374, and then take the new personal record on the last attempt.

"Um, Dave," I said, nice as can be, "I'll be the only guy left in the meet then, right?"

"Sure."

Then, let's go to Plan B.

You see, at the time, lifters were given three minutes, if they had to "follow themselves." That meant that I could possibly have to make three maximal lifts in around eight minutes. It just wasn't going to happen. We decided on 308 (to ensure a total), 341 (the original "last warmup"), and 385. I made them. It was still eight minutes, but I could easily recover from the first two loads.

That's what my skinny friend doesn't understand. He thinks that 100% for him is the same as 100% for someone really big and strong. As a young lifter, I could never understand why the Olympians would take weeks off after the event.

As I grew older and stronger, it made more sense. It takes time to recover from the big iron. It might be measured by the calendar, but not by the stopwatch. If you don't understand that yet, you will when you start lifting big.

I have some simple rules yardsticks regarding what I call an Advanced Beginner (males) in the lifting world:

Bodyweight Bench Press

Double Bodyweight Deadlift

You should also be able to clean and front squat your bodyweight, too.

Folks, that's a pretty low level of strength. Although you "could" play high school football at this level, I'd still suggest you keep coming back to the weightroom.

You can time all the rest periods you want with your timer, your calculator, and your application that you got off the web, but until you get to at least the Advanced Beginner stage, you have to worry more about weight on the bar then rest periods.

Skinny guys do "forced reps" with 135. They also do that workout where they strip 10s off the sides of the bar and keep repping out.

Listen, add more plates. Rest more. Grow. Get stronger.

For the record, I got an email a few days ago that my young skinny friend had put on a lot of bodyweight in a few weeks by "eating everything in sight" and lifting heavier.

And, yes, it can be that simple.
Our tuition was received in the cold school of experience.


 
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-02-12 10:12 AM - Post#745152    



  • Tyler Durden Said:
The Big 5 of Getting Big
by Dan John



1. First, stop with all the plates.

There we were trying to get a workout in and he slaps those 2 1/2 pound plates at the end of the bar for his next set. "What are you doing?," I asked.

"I'm going up."

Not very damn quickly, I can tell you that. If I can make one suggestion that'll do wonders for most guys, it's to stop using 2 1/2s or fives or tens. Just use the bigger plates. My good friend, Pavel Tsatsouline, recently told me that I was wrong about suggesting using 35s as, as he put it, "the math is too hard."

Okay, just use 45s and 25s. Yes, it is going to be harder and heavier and you're going to be nervous sometimes making the big jumps, but once you begin doing this you'll notice that you're becoming bigger and stronger.

Now this may shock you, but it's true:

Strong guys are often big guys.

You may or may not like this advice, but at least try a few workouts without using your calculator and spreadsheets and move some iron. It may shock you.





Dan, how do you handle this with exercises like the bench where "big plates" jumps are probably not doable?
 
o1d_dude
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09-03-12 04:04 PM - Post#745241    



Fewer reps?
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09-03-12 04:16 PM - Post#745242    



In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.

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09-03-12 05:15 PM - Post#745243    



  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.
OD

'Equitare, arcum tendere, veritatem dicere.'
- Herodotus, 484-425 BC
'To ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.'
- Col. Jeff Cooper, 1920-2006 AD

'μολὼν λαβέ'
- Leonidas, King of Sparta, 540-480 BC
'Come and take it'
- Texian Flag, 1835 AD


 
Robert_Benck
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09-06-12 03:09 PM - Post#745551    



I think the idea behind only using 25's and 45's is that you are forced to truly "own" the weight before progressing.

I will often add some 2.5 pound plates when I can squeak out the last proscribed rep of a set, even if the form is breaking down. Try doing that will 50 lb pound jump!
Work does things. Hard things take time to do. Impossible things take a little longer. -Percy Cerutty


 
LongJohnSilver
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09-06-12 05:31 PM - Post#745570    



  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.
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Funky
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The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-06-12 05:40 PM - Post#745571    



  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.



But you are talking about squats right? Eric R was asking about other exercises like bench.

a 50lbs jump in the military press or bench would be hard at least for me. For example, I can easily do 10 reps with 2 25lbs plates on the barbell in military press, but I can't do a single with 135lbs. Same with the bench I could probably do 10 with 135lbs but not 1 rep with 185lbs.

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Edited by Funky on 09-06-12 05:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
LongJohnSilver
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-07-12 12:35 PM - Post#745627    



  • Funky Said:
  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.



But you are talking about squats right? Eric R was asking about other exercises like bench.

a 50lbs jump in the military press or bench would be hard at least for me. For example, I can easily do 10 reps with 2 25lbs plates on the barbell in military press, but I can't do a single with 135lbs. Same with the bench I could probably do 10 with 135lbs but not 1 rep with 185lbs.





Actually I did mean the bench. My beginning weight was 135 for 5. In a later workout I nailed a set of 10 with that weight, and when it came time for a max double I squeezed out 2 reps with 185. I used 145 for some of that time as well, but keep in mind that you can get to 145 with big plates (2 x 25 on each side). Is it the best way to increase your max? Beats me. But it's possible.
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-08-12 08:03 AM - Post#745728    



  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • Funky Said:
  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.



But you are talking about squats right? Eric R was asking about other exercises like bench.

a 50lbs jump in the military press or bench would be hard at least for me. For example, I can easily do 10 reps with 2 25lbs plates on the barbell in military press, but I can't do a single with 135lbs. Same with the bench I could probably do 10 with 135lbs but not 1 rep with 185lbs.





Actually I did mean the bench. My beginning weight was 135 for 5. In a later workout I nailed a set of 10 with that weight, and when it came time for a max double I squeezed out 2 reps with 185. I used 145 for some of that time as well, but keep in mind that you can get to 145 with big plates (2 x 25 on each side). Is it the best way to increase your max? Beats me. But it's possible.



There are one-rep max calculators available online, but they give you a ballpark figure at best, because it's not an exact science. For me, simply adding five pounds for each additional rep works fine for the bench press, but that doesn't coincide with your numbers.
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Edited by AAnnunz on 09-08-12 08:28 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
blkjss
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09-09-12 01:48 AM - Post#745789    



I have a 12.5KG bar, 2 x 50lb plates, 6 x 7.5KG plates, 2x 5/2.5/1.25/0.5KG

Lots of math.
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Walter J.
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The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-11-12 11:40 AM - Post#746081    



blkjss,

Sounds like you need to invest in a few heavier plates in-between the 50's and the 16 pound plates you have.

Another thing, I wouldn't exclude using 35 pound plates just because Pavel says the math is too hard.

What he and Dan John are saying is not written in stone.

He was just making a point to emphasize lifting heavy and using bigger plates because it forces you to lift heavier and not to overthink it too much by calculating all the time when you use small plates. Just get out there and lift heavier. Using just big plates forces you to do that and get your head out of the math.

But, regardless:

35's ARE heavier than 25's, ha ha!

What is so hard about the math?

Bar + 25's = 95
Bar + 35's = 115
Bar + 45's = 135
Bar + 25's + 35's = 165
Bar + 25's + 45's = 185 etc.

What is so hard about that? Granted, some of the jumps are only 20 pounds, but that is still a big jump when world records are set with half a kilogram!

Trick is, making the bigger jumps with just 25's and 45's can force you to move into unexplored territory, because you can't make smaller 20 pound jumps.

With bench, if 135 is good for reps but 185 is only a single, why not try out Steve Justa's singles routines outlined in his book "Rock Iron Steel"?

OR if having a hard time jumping up in military press, jump the weight up from 95 to 135 or from 135 to 185 and knock out some push-presses or jerks.

It WILL get you stronger! And eventually what you are push-pressing will one day suddenly go up easily. First few reps at the heavier weight try to strict press it. You might get a rep or two, then start PP it. After a while your body will grow accustomed to handling and supporting a heavier weight. Just be sure your form is locked in solid when PP or jerking and lower the weight with control. Then it will get easier to strict press that heavier weight. I've done this many times myself. 185 use to feel like a bear and then 225, but when I worked up to a 300 pound jerk, wow! 225 was almost a warm-up weight.

Same with squats. Back squat too hard at next big weight jump? Say 185 is easy but 235 is real tough.

Maybe you need to throw in a cycle or two of OH squats or front squats. Then after that cycle is done, come back to the back squats. I bet you will find that suddenly, in the next cycle after a week or so, the back squat with a weight you could only do for a rep or two is now a solid 3-5 rep effort.

Lot of ways to manipulate leverages with a "same but different" movement or lift that will benefit the prior lift you are struggling with.

So, it doesn't hurt to do a cycle or two with , let's say OH press, bench, squat, deads, and then a cycle of: front squat, steep incline press, PP and power cleans or power shrugs. Then after a cycle or two go back to the first cycles lifts.

Just some ideas...and where the ---- did that smilie come from! SOmeone shoot it for me!

Edited by Walter J. on 09-11-12 11:44 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
AAnnunz
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09-13-12 07:52 AM - Post#746353    



Really good post, Walt.
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o1d_dude
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-14-12 05:41 PM - Post#746614    



  • Funky Said:
  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.



But you are talking about squats right? Eric R was asking about other exercises like bench.

a 50lbs jump in the military press or bench would be hard at least for me. For example, I can easily do 10 reps with 2 25lbs plates on the barbell in military press, but I can't do a single with 135lbs. Same with the bench I could probably do 10 with 135lbs but not 1 rep with 185lbs.




Well, seeing as how you haven't actually tried doing 10 reps with 135 lbs isn't it hard to predict what will happen with 185 lbs?
OD

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- Herodotus, 484-425 BC
'To ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.'
- Col. Jeff Cooper, 1920-2006 AD

'μολὼν λαβέ'
- Leonidas, King of Sparta, 540-480 BC
'Come and take it'
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o1d_dude
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-14-12 05:54 PM - Post#746615    



Just realized I'm starting to sound like the High Expectations Asian Father...

*sigh*



OD

'Equitare, arcum tendere, veritatem dicere.'
- Herodotus, 484-425 BC
'To ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.'
- Col. Jeff Cooper, 1920-2006 AD

'μολὼν λαβέ'
- Leonidas, King of Sparta, 540-480 BC
'Come and take it'
- Texian Flag, 1835 AD


 
Walter J.
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09-14-12 06:57 PM - Post#746628    



Ha Ha Ha! I like that Old Dude!

Thank you AAnnunz!
 
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Re: The Big 5 of Getting Big
09-15-12 02:39 AM - Post#746687    



  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
  • LongJohnSilver Said:
  • o1d_dude Said:
  • Funky Said:
In the bench there might be people who can do 5 reps with 135lbs but can't even do a single with 185, is doing more reps at 135lbs really the answer in that case?

I do know that you can increase your strength with easy strength workouts but still.




I'm not Dan John and nor do I play him on the internet.

My guess is that if a person can do 10 reps with 135 they might be able squeak out a rep with 185.

You have to want it.



This exact thing happened to me. It's in my MMS log.



But you are talking about squats right? Eric R was asking about other exercises like bench.

a 50lbs jump in the military press or bench would be hard at least for me. For example, I can easily do 10 reps with 2 25lbs plates on the barbell in military press, but I can't do a single with 135lbs. Same with the bench I could probably do 10 with 135lbs but not 1 rep with 185lbs.




Well, seeing as how you haven't actually tried doing 10 reps with 135 lbs isn't it hard to predict what will happen with 185 lbs?




Well of course I have tried it but not recently. Back then I did a measly max of 165lbs or something, I could barely finish the rep. On the other hand I suck on the bench so it might be a technique issue because I could do like 5 reps on 155lbs.


But I haven't benched now for a couple of months. :S


And I get the point of not overthinking stuff and go heavy but it wouldn't be possible for me on the bench and military press to just use 25s and 45s. Deads and squats is another deal, that would work.

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Walter J.
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09-17-12 07:50 PM - Post#746976    



Try this:

http://www.sinewandsteel.com/2012/09/17/how-i-benc h-press/

and adjust the weights accordingly.

Hope it helps. It was too long to post here.
 
o1d_dude
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09-17-12 10:23 PM - Post#746985    



Nice article, Walter.

Good strategy, too.
OD

'Equitare, arcum tendere, veritatem dicere.'
- Herodotus, 484-425 BC
'To ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.'
- Col. Jeff Cooper, 1920-2006 AD

'μολὼν λαβέ'
- Leonidas, King of Sparta, 540-480 BC
'Come and take it'
- Texian Flag, 1835 AD


 
Funky
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09-18-12 08:06 AM - Post#747013    



  • Walter J. Said:
Try this:

http://www.sinewandsteel.com/2012/09/17/how-i-benc h-press/

and adjust the weights accordingly.

Hope it helps. It was too long to post here.




Wow what a great answer, will put this in favorites and try it when I start benching again. Right now I'm all for pttp though and after that the big 21 cycled with the transformation program. After that I don't have anything planned but I think I should be benching.
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