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Dan John
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04-20-11 12:30 PM - Post#687229    



Intervention the pull

The gap between fitness and fatness seems to widen each day. It seems that each year, the obesity numbers grow in ways that stagger any future medical care. With everyone in the diet, food, and fatloss industries tied to the money bag in this game, rarely do we here nutritional advice that isn’t immediately countered by another expert. I recently read that we each about one-thirtieth the amount of cabbage we used to eat and foods like turnips and beets are vanishing from the table. (Please, I am not advocating a cabbage, turnip and beet diet, although it is better than some). Instead, we eat corn sugar and cheap carbohydrates that seem to lead us to the balloon people look in the malls.

Yet, in the fitness industry, or perhaps better stated, those who are fit seem to struggle more and more with some physical issues that easily be addressed, but rarely are considered. In this case, I’m talking about the apostrophe, the sunken chest, or the grandpa walk. In other words, the massive amount of horizontal pressing movements that most people do and the literal ignorance of horizontal rowing has lead us to athletes with shoulders rolled forward, necks always craned ahead, and a shallow chest. Not only does it look old and morbid, it also really impacts athletic success.

The amazing thing is that I can’t think of something easier to fix. Now, I know and I hear the argument all the time: Hey, I do rows! Sadly, most people row in a way that is so dynamic nowadays that the Olympic lifts seems slow in comparison. So, the biceps and lower back get dangerously close to injured and the key pulling muscle continue to nap.

I know almost zero about anatomy (although, I know what I like. I will wait as you chuckle yourself to a stomach cramp) but there is a funny little muscle in your back called the “Rhomboid.” The Rhomboid is like the designated driver: you really should appreciate it, but, well, you forgot. The Rhomboid is here to simply retract your shoulder blades and it seems glad to let momentum do the work for you instead of having to work. It was classified by Janda as a fast twitch muscle or what he called a “Phasic muscle,” one that weakens with age or disuse.

And ignoring the Rhomboid is aging you. If you want to look “instantly younger in ten days,” fall in love with the Rhomboid. With a few simple moves, I can re-pattern a few things, build you up and check for side-to-side issues and honestly add years to your training and take years off your posture.

I always begin with the Pattern. In the basic pull, we have ingrained ourselves (or maybe it is just me) with using speed and momentum to ignore our weaker little areas. And that led us to some real issues. The basic patterning movement I use for pulls is my old stand-by, the Bat Wing.

Bat Wings
A typical workout ignores the rhomboids. Developing this muscle in the middle of your upper back will balance your workout and help you stand taller. Moreover, for most guys struggling to gain Lean Body Mass, they also seem to have posture issues that lead to soft tissue issues that lead to long-term issues. Let’s fix it now.

Grab a heavy pair of kettlebells or dumbbells and lie facedown on a bench, resting the weights on the floor. Pull the weights up toward your rib cage, squeezing your shoulder blades together at the top for a second; from a bird's-eye view, your torso should resemble bat wings.

This movement is slight, the weights should move up and down only about 6 inches. The higher you pull, the harder you should squeeze your shoulder blades together. Perform 4 or 5 sets of 5 repetitions. The repetitions are simple something akin to an isometric squeeze.

When in doubt: stick your thumbs in your armpits on this drill. And, it seems to look like “Bat Wings” from the side. In a way, maybe.

I recommend doing this for up to six weeks or so. Certainly, increase the time of the holds and the weights, but err on the side of quality. Anybody can do more bad reps, but quality reps are like sunny days in Seattle: rare, but welcome.

An interesting side note: when I train elites in many fields, after their first set of Bat Wings, I often do a bit of voodoo and press down on their upper middle back. There is a sound like a machine gun and the athlete often states: “Wow, that’s what I needed.” I am not recommending “popping” people’s backs, but the exercise lights up the amount of tension that has been held in the upper back.

Honestly, I could just stop here and know that I have changed lives. But, let’s move up to the next step.

If, and only if, you see some improvements in posture or, and this happens, if people ask if you lost weight “or something,” move to the slower rows. It’s not bad for people to say you look better, by the way, it is simple that your posture and system are moving back into proper place.

I have no issue with Pull Ups, by the way, but with the internet, we know see videos of people doing all kinds of things. Recently, I was reminded by Pavel Tsatsouline of the great value of the Ab Wheel, but you might miss the point: the Ab Wheel is the “right” way to do a Pull Up. The tension on your whole “anterior chain” should be so locked down, that the whole body becomes part of the movement. Now, having said that, we can now insert all the jokes about Ab Wheels.

For many of us, we need to refocus and redirect our attention on Horizontal Rows. There are plenty of options now, when I was young with had the Reg Park Barbell Row and some one arm variations. There are dozens of machines today that range from simply complex to Tron-like.

Here is the key, though: slow down and squeeze the move at the top. In fact, I like a slight pause, at least a count, in the position where you have the bar on the chest. If you can’t do this, either go lighter or end the set.

I have discovered an interesting thing lately: the issue with many people’s rows is simply symmetry. I have a fun simple way of testing this that I call “Human Plank Rows.”

Grab the hand of a good friend or even a sturdy post with one hand. By the way, it is easier to do than to explain. Now, with a perfect plank with absolutely no rolling or sway, lean away from your partner until you have a perfectly straight, but packed arm. Now, simply row yourself back to vertical. If one side can’t hold the plank or rolls out at any point, well, there you go: you have symmetry issues.

I fix the symmetry issues in a simple way; I simply would have you do more reps on that side. But, with here is the million dollar secret: you don’t do a set of twenty reps. To fix symmetry issues, you do twenty sets of one. It is a mental change that leads to a very quick fix of the issue: rather than bashing through a set, you stop and refocus each and every rep. And, it works. If you have asymmetries, crashing and bashing through set after set of barbell rows is going to lead to you looking up at me and saying: this is killing my lower back. Don’t do that!

Once you reawake your rhomboids, pause in your grinds and achieve symmetry, you might find that a lot of your nagging nonsurgical injuries will tend to ease up. You might find it actually harder to find as many hot spots to foam roll and your chiropractor visits may be cut way down. What is amazing is that this simple approach seems to work wonders in just a few weeks.
Daniel John
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Dave Tropeano
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04-21-11 09:35 PM - Post#687451    



A light bulb really went off in CT doing the human plank rows. They really helped me feel and focus on the shoulder stability issue I'd been trying to just grind through.
 
Dan John
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04-21-11 10:23 PM - Post#687460    



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Wicked Willie
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04-22-11 11:56 AM - Post#687523    



Okay...I'll bite.

What is the Reg Park Barbell Row?

Are we talking some special way of performing the movement?

Wicked
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Gabster
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04-22-11 12:08 PM - Post#687527    



Pulling is all good, I have enjoyed the Hammer Strength machines of late...The gym I go to has 5 of them, all in my routine...They really are good as you age imho...DB's at home, are always available

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Jack C
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04-27-11 08:00 AM - Post#688062    



  • Wicked Willie Said:
Okay...I'll bite.

What is the Reg Park Barbell Row?

Are we talking some special way of performing the movement?

Wicked



I believe that it was Reg Park who invented the Pendley Row.


 
Wicked Willie
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The Actual "Pull" Article
04-27-11 10:02 AM - Post#688093    



  • Jack C Said:
  • Wicked Willie Said:
Okay...I'll bite.

What is the Reg Park Barbell Row?

Are we talking some special way of performing the movement?

Wicked



I believe that it was Reg Park who invented the Pendley Row.



Oh.

Thanks, Jack.

Wicked

"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in."

"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6


 
The Finn
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05-18-11 02:14 AM - Post#690979    



Rippetoe's insights on rhomboids etc:

"Since the function of both the traps and the rhomboids in a deadlift (and in any other pulling movement) is isometric, deadlifts are a perfect functional exercise for the traps and rhomboids. Despite the fact that muscles whose normal function is isometric -- like the abs and the erectors -- can be trained eccentric/concentric, I don't think it is usually necessary to do this, particularly in light of the fact that it may create a false impression of proper technical execution of the lifts. If you get in the habit of concentrically adducting the scapulae before you pull, the day will come when you yank a rhomboid, because this is not their normal function in a pull, and the abduction movement that will inevitably result when enough weight is used can cause some problems. But if you insist, barbell rows are probably the definition of this type of an exercise."

( http://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/showt hread.php?t=9693&page=1 )
"My grandma Olga, a famous Finnish Powerlifter, once told me,
'Little one, take care of your gastrointestinal tract
and it'll take care of you.'
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Dan John
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05-18-11 11:56 AM - Post#691019    



I'm not sure of the connection here...
Daniel John
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The Finn
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05-19-11 01:18 AM - Post#691084    



Thanks for the article. Just tossing around some ideas, thinking out loud if you will. How the rhomboids work and which exercises make them stronger. This is all new info for me and recognize I have weakness in that area.
"My grandma Olga, a famous Finnish Powerlifter, once told me,
'Little one, take care of your gastrointestinal tract
and it'll take care of you.'
Then she struck me with some salted herring."

- TC Luoma


 
Kyle Aaron
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05-19-11 08:22 AM - Post#691098    



I often give as exercises some form of bodyweight inverted row, and deadlifts (or rack pulls for many, since my gym lacks bumper plates). Everyone's posture improves.

A client whose life consists of desk work told me today that she used to get a massage once or twice a week to ease seized-up neck and upper back, she has not had one after the first two weeks of deadlifts and rows.

A couple of clients with rotator cuff issues have said the flare-ups are less frequent after the first few weeks of deadlifts - seems to open up the shoulder a bit.

I am not sure about Rippetoe's comments, I have yet to hear of anyone "yanking" a rhomboid, I just tell them "chest up, shoulders down and back, just like in school assembly." This generally works quite well.

Way I see it, if you can stand up with good posture with something above your bodyweight in your hands, good posture will come more naturally the rest of the time.
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Dan John
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05-19-11 10:43 AM - Post#691114    



I've seen weak rhomboids, but I don't have any idea about this yanked thing.
Daniel John
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bryce
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05-19-11 12:10 PM - Post#691134    



Maybe seen more in the powerlifting world.
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Gabster
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05-19-11 12:50 PM - Post#691139    



Today is a pull day for me, with this article and Dave's weekly read. Good stuff!!!
Man has to know limitations, just enjoy the fact that still doing pretty well in older years...

Regards
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." -
"I don't mean to be rude, but...junk is for jerks"
"No pain, no gain' isn’t a nursery rhyme, and 'only the strong survive" ...Etc...
Had to put in this quote...
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The Finn
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05-20-11 05:31 AM - Post#691199    



  • bryce Said:
Maybe seen more in the powerlifting world.



Probably so. I once tried to concentrate pulling the shoulders back when when deadlifting and couldn't do it. It doesn't feel like a natural thing to do when picking something heavy up.
"My grandma Olga, a famous Finnish Powerlifter, once told me,
'Little one, take care of your gastrointestinal tract
and it'll take care of you.'
Then she struck me with some salted herring."

- TC Luoma


 
Boris
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05-29-11 08:27 AM - Post#692256    



Great article! I think the greatest thing about it is the reminder that not everything should be some compensatory nuclear accelerated blast-off - some exercises are going to be better exercises slow and controlled, and YES, there is a place for isometrics.

Awesome - thank you.
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Dan John
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05-30-11 01:52 PM - Post#692352    



Thanks. I still think Isometrics are totally underrated...
Daniel John
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bryce
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05-31-11 08:08 AM - Post#692433    



You might have mentioned this had you done some work with it Dan, or maybe you tried this and it didn't meet your expectations but have you ever had people try the bat wing on the TRX, or even on an inverted row?
"Every social association that is not face-to-face is injurious to your health."

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Dan John
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05-31-11 09:19 AM - Post#692437    



Of course, I do it all the time. Not everyone has one though...
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bryce
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05-31-11 10:45 AM - Post#692458    



Good to know.
"Every social association that is not face-to-face is injurious to your health."

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DanMartin
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05-31-11 04:40 PM - Post#692501    



  • Dan John Said:
Thanks. I still think Isometrics are totally underrated...




Dan, can you post some videos of isometrics?
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dave g
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09-19-11 12:56 AM - Post#705984    



Hi, quick question about batwings.

MMS says to do ten 5 second holds or whatever. Should I be returning the weight to the floor after each timed hold, or am I to keep the weight off the floor the whole time and hold at the top with the shoulder blades squeezed for the count and slightly lower for a second before going straight into the next hold?

Thanks in advance!
 
bryce
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09-19-11 10:33 AM - Post#706025    



You can lower it less than halfway down before squeezing it back up.
"Every social association that is not face-to-face is injurious to your health."

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dave g
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09-19-11 07:55 PM - Post#706111    



Ok, thanks bryce.

I've tried both ways now but will stick to the prescribed option for the time being.
 
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10-25-11 02:22 AM - Post#710454    



  • Gabster Said:
Pulling is all good, I have enjoyed the Hammer Strength machines of late...The gym I go to has 5 of them, all in my routine...They really are good as you age imho...DB's at home, are always available




Elk Grove? What gym do you visit?

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Warren D
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10-26-11 09:10 AM - Post#710599    



  • bryce Said:
You can lower it less than halfway down before squeezing it back up.



You could, but I like the rest. Gave batwings an honest shot yesterday and my scaps feel great today. I'm a convert.


 
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11-16-11 10:48 AM - Post#712724    



I wish I'd had this info a few years back.

Little story...I would notice in pictures that I [ahem] suffered from ILS (Imaginary Lat Syndrome). I never realized why since I wasn't posturing or trying to extend my arms in that way. Yes, I admit to it. A couple of years ago my shoulders, especially my R-shoulder started bothering me a lot. I finally went to get it treated earlier this year. My PT (& chiro) started treating my rotator cuff and rhomboid area to clear the front impingement that was causing me pain. I learned to keep the shoulder blades back and down when doing *everything* and had to strengthen the muscles that keep the shoulders back. You see I was a chronic bench presser and my chest had become overdeveloped. That whole front area way overpowered my upper back and it brought me into that "apostrophe" as Dan puts it, and made my shoulders hurt. I've since stopped benching and have been aggressively strengthening my rhomboids and back. Funny result is that I'm proud to say my ILS has gone away as my arms now hang to the sides where they should be and as a bonus when I stand up under the bar to squat I barely even feel the weight on my back. Wow!

If there's a moral to this story it would be...please don't condemn those who suffer from ILS teach them to batwing.
-Javi

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12-09-12 11:00 PM - Post#755828    



I do TRX Batwings (a very big angle/two handed) because I don't have two of the same sized KB/DBs.

It feels very good!
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Dale
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01-28-13 05:05 PM - Post#760901    



The bat wing has made a big difference in my training over the past few months. I consider it a foundational back exercise, one that other back exercises are added to, not the other way around. If only I knew about it 30 year ago. I alternate between 10 second, 6 second, and 3 second holds with pretty light weights, but they are creeping up. I just concentrate on the squeeze at the top, don't bother lowering the weights more than about 6 inches. Great move. Thanks, Dan! Incidentally, the Cook Hip Lift has had a similar transformative effect on my glutes.
“As to methods, there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble. ~ Emerson”
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