Adam S
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Al, I don't have access to my Milo issues at the moment, so the following is based on what I remember about the Milo columns. Many of them were built around narratives in which Dr. Ken's training partner wanted to focus on some bodybuilding goal or they were reacting to some routine they'd seen in a magazine or had heard about. The routines were a compromise between Dr. Ken's preferences and his training partner's. Pulldowns may have been a preferred movement for some reason or other in the context of the particular story that Dr. Ken was telling in the column.
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LeePinac
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I wonder why Dr. Ken would focus on pulldowns this time? They are inferior to pullups/chins (which appear in many of his routines) and a better choice only for beginners, heavier lifters, and others who can't do pullups.
Al,
I am out of town and I do not remember why the focus on pull downs. I’ll look at the article and let you know when I get back in town.
Lee
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tom6112
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09-11-22 12:25 AM - Post#921821
His friend Jack was the bodybuilder
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Adam S
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09-11-22 10:49 AM - Post#921825
His friend Jack was the bodybuilder
Yes! The columns were really entertaining. Dr. Ken and Dave Shaw were my favorite Milo authors. The reprints of the old Anthony Ditillo columns also were great. I somewhat lost interest in the magazine as it (and I?) evolved over the years. But back to the topic, the context for the routines in Dr. Ken's columns--his and Jack's changing goals and interests--is important for understanding each of the routines.
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AAnnunz
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09-12-22 09:23 AM - Post#921837
Thanks, Adam and Lee. Pullups/chins have contributed greatly to my strength and upper body development for 62 years, so I'm kinda biased.
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Adam S
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09-12-22 03:25 PM - Post#921849
Thanks, Adam and Lee. Pullups/chins have contributed greatly to my strength and upper body development for 62 years, so I'm kinda biased.
Me, too, Al. It's difficult for me NOT to do some sets of pullups or chins when I'm in the gym, or walking by a pullup bar in a park. In fact, my niece just got married on a Lake Superior beach next to a park, and I did a few sets right after the ceremony. My attitude is "It's not back day? Okay, I'll only do a couple of sets of pullups." The only thing that really restrains me is concern that I'll hurt my elbows and not be able to do them for a little while.
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Eric_
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In his Asking Dr. Ken column he wrote that he had "freak strength" on pulldowns, so he could only do them when he had a training partner to hold him down. I think in his supinated pulldowns in the program that Lee posted he was emphasizing his biceps, but we'll find out from Lee when he gets a chance to post some more.
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LeePinac
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In his Asking Dr. Ken column he wrote that he had "freak strength" on pulldowns, so he could only do them when he had a training partner to hold him down. I think in his supinated pulldowns in the program that Lee posted he was emphasizing his biceps, but we'll find out from Lee when he gets a chance to post some more.
For this particular program, Ken and Jack were training in an abandoned shed at the beach that they got permission to use and had rigged up a pulldown into the cinder block wall and wanted to work it into their routine.
As to why Ken performed pulldowns rather that chins, I don't know and I do not think I have ever seen him give a reason as to why. I do know he favored pulldowns with a supinated grip and chin-ups so as to put your arms in the strongest position possible, i.e. your biceps being the focus and not the forearm muscles in a pronated position.
Lee
Edited by LeePinac on 09-16-22 05:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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AAnnunz
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Thanks, guys.
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Edited by AAnnunz on 09-17-22 07:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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LeePinac
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09-17-22 11:30 AM - Post#921977
If you are able to purchase issues of MILO, especially the first 22 years, then do so. The articles by various authors are great. Unfortunately, the quality of writing took a down turn the last few years until the end.
Life In the Loft Jan. 1994 Vol.1 No.4
Monday
Push Press: warm up, a few triples or singles with slow eccentric
Squat: warm up; 1x10-15
Stiff-legged Deadlift: 1x15
Dips: 1x12, 1x6
Power Shrugs: 2x5
Thursday
Press: warm up; 1x5
Squat: warm up; 1x30
Chins or Lat pulldowns to chest with supinated grip: 2 sets
Sit-ups with added weight on chest
Run steps from ground floor to loft landing (2 flights) with 100 lbs dumbbells in each hand.
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Eric_
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09-17-22 01:39 PM - Post#921984
Thanks very much Lee--another interesting one.
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Eric_
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09-19-22 10:06 PM - Post#922032
Lee, was this one of his rugby routines, or intended for something else?
Eric
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LeePinac
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09-27-22 06:31 AM - Post#922191
Lee, was this one of his rugby routines, or intended for something else?
Eric
This was one of his rugby routines.
Lee
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Eric_
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09-27-22 11:09 AM - Post#922194
Thanks Lee.
I wonder why he didn't place the shrugs in the Thursday workout rather than the Monday workout.
Eric
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LeePinac
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09-29-22 07:38 AM - Post#922224
Thanks Lee.
I wonder why he didn't place the shrugs in the Thursday workout rather than the Monday workout.
Eric
Per Ken: "On Thursday, I did things that I believed were 'lighter' but 'harder.' I didn't want to face the specter of push presses or lower rep squats after days of running. Monday was a better day for that. The fact that my harder or more demanding exercises came on Thursday, gave me a it more recovery time as I normally did absolutely nothing physical on Sundays, and light running , if any , on Saturdays."
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LeePinac
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Muscular Development Dec. 1989
One Lift, Limited Workouts: Long Forgotten Growth Stimulators
Monday
Squat: warm-up, 1x20, 2 min. rest, 1x12-15
Press: warm-up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, 1 min. rest, 1xAMAP with same weight
Deadlift: 1x15, rest 3 min., 1x10
Forearm and Neck work
Thursday or Friday
Squat: warm-up, 1x20, rest 2 min., 1x 12-15
Press: warm-up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, rest 1 min., 1xAMAP w/ same weight
Hammer Iso Row: warm-up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, rest 1 min., 1xAMAP w/ same weight
Forearm and Neck work
If squatting two times a week is too much, then do the following:
Monday
Squat: warm-up, 1x20, 2 min. rest, 1x12-15
Press: warm-up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, 1 min. rest, 1xAMAP with same weight
Hammer Iso Row: warm –up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, 1 min. rest, 1xAMAP with same weight
Forearm and Neck work
Thursday or Friday
Deadlift: warm-up, 1x15, rest 3 min., 1x10
Press: warm-up, 1x10, 2 min. rest, 1x6-8, 1 min. rest, 1xAMAP with same weight
Forearm and Neck work
Edited by LeePinac on 09-29-22 07:55 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Eric_
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09-29-22 03:12 PM - Post#922237
Thanks Lee.
I wonder why he didn't place the shrugs in the Thursday workout rather than the Monday workout.
Eric
Per Ken: "On Thursday, I did things that I believed were 'lighter' but 'harder.' I didn't want to face the specter of push presses or lower rep squats after days of running. Monday was a better day for that. The fact that my harder or more demanding exercises came on Thursday, gave me a it more recovery time as I normally did absolutely nothing physical on Sundays, and light running , if any , on Saturdays."
Thanks a million, Lee. It's great stuff.
Eric
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