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amat4866
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11-29-22 01:33 PM - Post#923550    



A while ago I saw a clip of Dans podcast where he brings up Peter Tsheine, a German S&C coach from a few decades ago.

He reads off SOME of a workout and I wrote down the exercises as best I could:

High pulls — 7 sets of 30 (210 reps total) with 75lbs
Throw heavy hammer 10 times, DJ thinks that's "very low"
power cleans — 7 sets of 20, weight not given
"deadlifts, more throw-[unintelligible], squats"

then he goes back to making his point.

Personally I find this workout very interesting but I looked around online and could barely find anything about Tsheine and found nothing from him.

QUESTION —
Does anyone have this workout? Also what would be a substitute for heavy throws?

Dan once said that after the big 21 program (or maybe it was the transformation program) his athletes would go do a workout of 1000 turns with the discus, I think.

I think of this strange high rep workout from Tsheine to be similar to that; a one-off workout done every now and then before heading into some other training.
 
Pepper
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Re: Peter Tsheine "mixed training"
11-29-22 04:43 PM - Post#923556    



  • Quoting:
I looked around online and could barely find anything about Tsheine and found nothing from him.



Hello, that's because the man's name is Peter Tschiene. Here is his Wikipedia site (in German). And here is a list of his publications. Most are in German, too, though there seem to be some in Spanish as well.

Hope I could help you.

Cheers!
 
amat4866
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Re: Peter Tsheine "mixed training"
11-29-22 04:48 PM - Post#923557    



  • Pepper Said:
  • Quoting:
I looked around online and could barely find anything about Tsheine and found nothing from him.



Hello, that's because the man's name is Peter Tschiene. Here is his Wikipedia site (in German). And here is a list of his publications. Most are in German, too, though there seem to be some in Spanish as well.

Hope I could help you.

Cheers!



Thank you!
 
Dan John
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11-29-22 07:16 PM - Post#923558    



From ES Omni:

Let me add some simple ways to further ongoing progress and adaptations. The first is a concept I first learned about in J. K. Doherty’s Track and Field Omnibook. It came from a German coach, Peter Tschiene…and later others “invented” it. It’s called “mixed training.”
On back-to-back pages in my little red book—my notebook with quotes I’ve handwritten since 1975—I have this from the Russian throws coach Anatoly Bondurchuk:
“Load leaping”
Week one: 100%
Week two: 80%
Week three: 15% (volleyball, easy runs, fun play)
Mixed Training
Monday
High pulls 7 x 30 75 pounds
Heavy hammer (10 throws 28 pounds)
Power cleans 7 x 20
Deadlifts 6 x 16
Throw weight (10 throws 44 pounds)
Squats 4 x 16 (active recovery)
Tuesday
Weight throws (15 with 44 pounds)
Lateral raises 4 x 10
Curls 3 x 20
Heavy hammer (15 throws)
Dumbbell flys 5 x 15
Bench press 6 x 30
I have no actual details on this program, but I instantly adopted the concepts. Don’t ask me to explain the rep and set schemes…please!
Daniel John
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amat4866
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11-30-22 05:51 AM - Post#923564    



  • Dan John Said:
From ES Omni:

Let me add some simple ways to further ongoing progress and adaptations. The first is a concept I first learned about in J. K. Doherty’s Track and Field Omnibook. It came from a German coach, Peter Tschiene…and later others “invented” it. It’s called “mixed training.”
On back-to-back pages in my little red book—my notebook with quotes I’ve handwritten since 1975—I have this from the Russian throws coach Anatoly Bondurchuk:
“Load leaping”
Week one: 100%
Week two: 80%
Week three: 15% (volleyball, easy runs, fun play)
Mixed Training
Monday
High pulls 7 x 30 75 pounds
Heavy hammer (10 throws 28 pounds)
Power cleans 7 x 20
Deadlifts 6 x 16
Throw weight (10 throws 44 pounds)
Squats 4 x 16 (active recovery)
Tuesday
Weight throws (15 with 44 pounds)
Lateral raises 4 x 10
Curls 3 x 20
Heavy hammer (15 throws)
Dumbbell flys 5 x 15
Bench press 6 x 30
I have no actual details on this program, but I instantly adopted the concepts. Don’t ask me to explain the rep and set schemes…please!





WOW!! Thank you Dan!
One day soon enough I'll perform this workout/training week and report back my thoughts.
Again it just reminded me of your 1000 turns workout after big 21, I think.
 
Dan John
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11-30-22 10:15 AM - Post#923569    



What a boost that was to my throwers...
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...


Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you


 
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