Chris Rice
Total Posts: 702
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06-11-20 10:19 AM - Post#899046
I think they would of been better off saying nothing.
This
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DanMartin
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06-11-20 10:45 AM - Post#899047
Glassman has a history of chronic foot in mouth disease.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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06-11-20 03:04 PM - Post#899061
Exactly. There is no need to comment other than an overwhelming desire to bow to social media pressure.
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Neander
Total Posts: 7755
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06-11-20 04:25 PM - Post#899065
Lately I've been wanting to set up a social media account and under "hobbies and passions" put
wearing blackface and child molestation.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Jordan Derksen
Total Posts: 392
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06-11-20 11:48 PM - Post#899074
The thing that’s really starting to rub me the wrong way about all this is that, and by all this i mean ALL of this COVID included, not only do you no longer have freedom of speech (and I’ll admit, Glassman is a bafoon and what he said was stupid, but he still has a right to say it) but it seems that now a days you don’t even have the right to be silent and keep your opinions to yourself. A guy used to be able to trust his neighbor. Now people are snitching on their neighbors to the government because you had friends over and may or may not be social distancing. A guy wants to keep his social media/internet presence or business non political and just keep his head down while the country implodes. Now if you aren’t out there tossing bricks you’re equated with supporting racist discrimination.
Silence is akin to thinking differently, thinking differently is akin to being wrong, being wrong is akin to hate, hate is akin to stoning. Therefore silence is stoning. Quite the leap. Scary time to be an introvert.
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Browser
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The thing that’s really starting to rub me the wrong way about all this is that, and by all this i mean ALL of this COVID included, not only do you no longer have freedom of speech (and I’ll admit, Glassman is a bafoon and what he said was stupid, but he still has a right to say it) but it seems that now a days you don’t even have the right to be silent and keep your opinions to yourself.
It is absolutely NOT a free speech issue. No one is saying what Glassman did was illegal or he should be put in jail for goodness sake. And he didn't keep his opinions to himself, he made a tasteless joke about a murder victim and people rightly called him out on it and no longer wanted to be associated with him. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from the consequences for saying stupid and offensive things, it means the government can't censor or punish free expression.
"The trouble about always trying to preserve the health of the body is that it is so difficult to do without destroying the health of the mind."~GK Chesterton
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Edited by Browser on 06-12-20 11:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Brian Hassler
Total Posts: 616
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06-12-20 10:03 AM - Post#899084
What Browser said.
Also, as far as companies like SF being proactively called to take a stance, those are companies that have actively cultivated a cultural following, so in a very real sense they've brought it on themselves. No one is out there demanding that Dell Computers make a statement on the current situation.
On a personal level, I'm realizing it's a good habit to cultivate having difficult conversations about emotionally charged issues. In my experience, we're pretty bad at it as a culture. The only way to get better is to practice. It helps to start with people you trust and who can have rational conversations, and who are also willing to try and discuss things in good faith, even when they disagree. If a person doesn't have anyone like that in their lives, that's another issue that needs sorting...
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BChase
Total Posts: 854
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06-12-20 10:21 AM - Post#899086
CrossFit is a better place without Glassman.
Personally, I hate it when I hear the phrase, "we need to have a dialogue." Brian, you're right as a culture, we have a difficult time having hard conversations.
And you the problem is you can't say the truth of what the real problems are. So we pander, instead.
Here are the facts. There was horrific racism in this country. When a slave is considered 3/5 of a person, there's a real problem. When there are segregation and Jim Crow laws, that's a problem. Those don't exist anymore, thankfully.
People need to be treated equally. Period.
However, I'm not going to apologize or feel one iota of guilt to be born to a strong, loving nuclear family. I was blessed and am lucky.
There needs to be honesty on both sides of the conversation
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Browser
Total Posts: 507
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06-12-20 10:59 AM - Post#899089
I don't know anything about StrongFirst, but they don't have to make a statement if they don't want to. BUT they are a public company and they should know that staying silent will rub some people the wrong way and they may lose business because of it.
"The trouble about always trying to preserve the health of the body is that it is so difficult to do without destroying the health of the mind."~GK Chesterton
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Rosenberg
Total Posts: 439
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06-12-20 02:42 PM - Post#899094
He embodies, "what got you here, won't get you there."
"by making it easy, we ruined the game"
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Steve W.
Total Posts: 181
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06-12-20 03:07 PM - Post#899097
Just released yesterday by Dave Chappelle.
There's a lot that I suspect will be widely misinterpreted, and in many cases willfully (such as thinking that he advocates or excuses violence).
But I found it very heartfelt, intensely passionate, insightful, interesting, provocative, and moving.
Among many other aspects of the current situation, he addresses the role of public figures in speaking out.
Definitely not safe for work or tender ears.
Dave Chappelle 8:46
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Neander
Total Posts: 7755
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06-12-20 03:18 PM - Post#899100
it's a good habit to cultivate having difficult conversations about emotionally charged issues.
I agree. Oddly enough, a lot of the times that can keep us connected and bring us closer together as people with differing views.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Neander
Total Posts: 7755
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Here's a video Zach Telander posted today on the subject of Crossfit. . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qpz4nikN1A
He is part of a film that's being developed, and I think it could be a very good thing.
I made a post on my blog about it, and would greatly appreciate you having a look -
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2020/06/hello.html
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
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Edited by Neander on 06-13-20 04:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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I had no idea that Glassman had already been destroying Crossfit internally prior to his post. Just watching 'The redeemed and the Dominant'on Netflix. I guess it really was a sport. Was? I also note that while Glassman has retired, he is still the sole owner of Crossfit.
HOLY CRAP! Those women are seriously swole. I wonder what, if any steroids were used??
Edited by Kiwi5 on 06-13-20 12:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Krader
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vegpedlr
Total Posts: 1179
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06-13-20 12:20 PM - Post#899128
How popular is Crossfit really?
It seems like a few years ago it was all the rage, but at the time I was only into Maffetone style training. Like paleo, I don’t seem to see as much buzz. How big were the games? Are they still big? Do average Joes and Janes know or care about Crossfit?
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Chris Rice
Total Posts: 702
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No real surprises but a good Podcast. I've read most of this before other places. As I listened to this it reminded me of the Republicans and Pres Trump today.
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Kyle Aaron
Total Posts: 1911
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How popular is Crossfit really?
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=a ll&q=crossfit
The google trends for things like Starting Strength show a similar pattern. Interestingly, "weightlifting" and "running" etc show no decline. The interest in being physically active is fairly consistent over time, using this or that particular branded method - well, interest comes and goes.
The first crossfit opened in Australia in 2006, by 2014 there were 579 of them, it stayed 560-580 until the end of 2018, it's now 500. I'm just going on the affiliate listings on the HQ website. It was declining already, and the recession will accelerate that - Glassman's drunken ravings are just a little noise in that signal of the long tail of decline.
One of the issues crossfit has faced is that overall it's pretty whitebread - and middle-class whitebread at that. It's more like lacrosse or skiing than football (any code) or cricket or baseball. This has limited its growth, and whitebread middle class are very much followers of trends - they'll flock to you on your way up, and abandon you quickly on your way down.
Against that though is that internet dramas are irrelevant to most people. Talk to people going to crossfit gyms and half of them don't even know who Greg Glassman is, let alone any of the other people involved. They just go there to lift and run around and share pictures of their sweaty selves on Instagram.
Glassman may have your contempt, but like Lance Armstrong, he still has your money. Crossfit will go on - smaller than before, but still going.
Edited by Kyle Aaron on 06-14-20 02:45 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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RupertC
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06-25-20 05:19 AM - Post#899577
I'm sure that if he [Glassman] decided to sell CF Inc before ruining the brand, private equity firms would be queuing around the block...
"Eric Roza, the owner of a CrossFit gym in Boulder, is set to become the CEO of the company overseeing the fitness brand after its former leader was ousted due to racist comments.
"In a Twitter post Wednesday, Roza said he will become the owner of CrossFit Inc. after the sale’s closing next month. Financial details were not disclosed.
"Roza was previously CEO of Datalogix, a data firm for digital advertisers that was acquired by Oracle Inc.( NYSE: ORCL) in 2015. He is currently an executive-in-residence for venture-capital firm General Catalyst and an adjunct professor at the University of Colorado Boulder."
https://www.dailycamera.com/2020/06/24/boulder-en trepreneur-to-purchase-cr ossfits-national-governin g...
Close enough!
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Henry
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Just watched Fittest in Dubai (2019) on Netflix, a 60 min documentary film of the first CrossFit Sanctional event in the world. First place male and female competitors qualify for a position to the CrossFit Games in the United States.
There's a lot of Gyms that do similar style of group training around here.
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