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08-15-19 06:22 PM - Post#886313    



https://danjohnworkouts.com/

Be sure to try it out with the free two week membership. I will be adding a bunch of essays over the next few days in the members area.

Be sure to try out the Park Bench workout generator...it's amazing.

An example of the new writing and reediting:
Introduction to Easy Strength

The following is an attempt to explain a strength program for athletes. Many athletes need to get stronger (obviously) but don’t have the time to train like a strength sport athlete AND train for the specific sport. So, Easy Strength takes care of this quality: strength.

Oddly, some of the best results of this program have come from older, advanced trainees (not athletes but experienced trainers) who have said, literally, “I just wanted to see what could happen.” Easing up for eight weeks and focusing on just one quality seems to be the answer to a lot of problems.

The follow-up emails are often incredulous rants about how “obvious this all is.” I hope so. The key is doing the program; that is, not missing reps and basically keep doing the same thing over and over for forty workouts.

The acquisition of strength, I think, is like learning to type better. To get better at typing, you type. You don’t push harder to type better nor do you guzzle energy drinks. You type. To get stronger, sometimes you just need to “show up and lift” for forty workouts.

As always, the secret to success is to “Show up.”

Easy Strength

“Easy Strength” is a term first used, I believe, by Steve Baccari. It’s odd to explain this to people who just read fitness magazines and online insanity, but strength is actually an easy quality to improve.

Here: lift weights.

I only joke a bit.

Like flexibility, strength is “learned” by the body. That’s why so many things “work.” When I was stuck as an Olympic lifter recovering from heavy cleans, Dave Turner had me do a few weeks of isometrics at the exact spot I struggled with in the front squat.

“Instantly,” over about six weeks, I never had an issue again. My nervous system “learned” what to do.

The problem with going to failure or training with “insanity,” and you can’t make this idiocy up, is that the body gets tired, but it seems to not learn how to get stronger.

First, as the nervous system figures it out, the load begins to climb up. It seems that the body has a discussion about all this additional load and the hormones kick in with Robb Wolf’s lovely term, “The Hormonal Cascade.” Then, the body “grows” and adapts in some interesting ways.

Easy Strength is a simple system of repeating the lifts that we want to improve with lighter, but progressive, loads. The idea is to make the heavier loads feel “easy.”

I learned this same concept from former world record holder in the discus, John Powell. He told me a “secret” one day that changed my career. John’s insight was simple:

Once you throw 200 feet after training for years and doing all the right things, how do you get to 201?

More? More what?

Instead, John argued that rather than try to force that 100% effort higher, focus on 80%. How easy can you throw 160? Well, it is ridiculously easy to throw 160 as 200 foot thrower…so easy, you throw 180. No, he said…160. Suddenly, as everything eases off and maybe you focus on throwing into a bucket or trash can at 160, it becomes even easier.

Soon, your 80% is maybe 165 or 170. Maybe, John argued that your 100% isn’t 200 anymore… usually it is farther. Losing your mind trying to MAKE yourself improve is far less efficient than simply prodding your easy efforts “up.”

This is Easy Strength in a nutshell. Never miss a lift. If you miss, it was too heavy. Never strain. Never snort nor scream. Take it easy.

When the load feels too light, go heavier.

That sentence is what most people miss on the Easy Strength program. Let’s begin the adventure of explaining how to do the program and maybe learn some more things on the way.

Bus Bench, Park Bench and the Hangover Rule

On this site, you should know about the concept of Bus Bench and Park Bench. Let’s review:

The concept of park bench and bus bench comes from the late Archbishop George Niederauer, a good friend. He described this with prayers, but it works great with weightlifting too. He said, “There are certain kinds of prayers where you want a result.” Those are bus bench prayers. When you sit on a bus bench you wait for and "expect" the bus to arrive.

Archbishop Niederauer also had what he called the park bench concept. When you sit on a park bench you have almost no expectations except to enjoy the sun for a few minutes and watch a squirrel or two.

It’s the same bench. Different expectations.

In weightlifting, fitness and most sports, we have programs based on both concepts. Park bench workouts are “punch the clock” workouts. There’s no peak. Do some work without expectation.

Bus bench programs are peaking programs. They are all the “do this” kind of programs. There's a result you're aiming for and it’s all sketched out and you follow the plan.

Both types have their purpose. It can be nice to cycle both styles throughout the year. Selecting a bus bench program 2-4 times per year and filling the gaps with park bench workouts is not a bad approach.

Easy Strength is a workout that actually is “both.” You expect to get stronger, yes.

But, it just “arrives.”

The “Hangover Rule”

I learned a great lesson at both dining tables and bars: some of the most amazing feats in track and field history have come from less than stellar stories. Now, this rule, the “Hangover Rule,” doesn’t happen in the vertical jumps, high jump and pole vault, because the athlete knows what they are about to do.

But, very often…more than you think…an amazing performance comes on the day after an evening of too much fun. The athlete slumps into the field and tries to find a place to nap. The athlete expects nothing, save to show up and keep the promise of competing.

An odd thing happens: the warm ups don’t feel great, but something “good” is going on. Maybe the first efforts are a bit sluggish, but the distances or speed are very good.

Not long after, the mark is yelled out to the crowd and the crowd goes crazy.

It’s a new world record! When I first heard about this, the storyteller added the lovely image of puking into some rose bushes as he walked up to the facility.

So, why does this happen? Why does someone do so well when hungover or (fill in the blank)?

Because that’s the way it works.

I’ve been with people who have elaborate plans about meeting the “love of their life,” yet the story never unfolds like the plan.

Remember that. Memorize that.

I think Easy Strength works for this same reason: you don’t expect much, so you just get the work in.

And, then, like meeting the love of your life at a party where she is being set up with one of your friends and you step in and “steal” here (like me, for example), the magic happens.

I wished peaking worked more often. But, it usually doesn’t. If it did, everyone would do well at the nationals…at least seasonal bests…but that rarely happens. I will discuss peaking later after we get a sense of the full preparation of the Easy Strength protocol.

The “Beginning” of Easy Strength

Years ago, when I first met Pavel, he challenged me to do a “40 Day Workout.” I followed his simple instructions to a “T:”

“For the next forty workouts, pick five lifts. Do them every workout. Never miss a rep, in fact, never even get close to struggling. Go as light as you need to go and don’t go over ten reps for any of the movements in a workout. It is going to seem easy. When the weights feel light, simply add more weight.”

So, I did exactly as he said. On the 22nd workout, alone in my garage gym, I broke my lifetime best Incline Bench Press record that was 300 for a single. Without a spotter, in a frozen garage, I benched 315 for a double. All the other lifts went through the roof and I was as amazed then as I am now.

It is “too easy.” In fact, it is so easy that I have had to break it down into literally dozens of pages of article to make it as simple as possible! And, the more I try to simplify it, honestly, the more lost some people become about the program.

I am not entirely convinced that I am a genius, but somebody has to prove to me why I followed those simple instructions so easily and vast hordes of trainers can’t seem to follow the concept without the obvious answer is that I have an unrivaled intelligence. Or, perhaps, I just can follow simple rules.

“Easier Strength”

So, I came up with “Easier Strength.” I didn’t want to do this, but I was exhausted explaining to people that “Three Sets of Three adding weight each time” meant to do “Three Sets of Three adding weight each time.” So, my frustrations, I think, lead to even more clarity.

Let’s start with an advanced experienced trainer who has “never” done any Loaded Carries. (In three weeks, I will be a genius as the Farmer Walks alone will change everything.)

There are a few “rules” before we begin:
1. Never miss a rep!
2. Follow the “Rule of Ten” for the appropriate lifts for an advanced lifter. So, keep the total number of the reps at ten or less. (Three sets of three, two sets of five, five sets of two)

Advanced athlete’s warm-ups:

10-15 Goblet Squats (As many or few sets as you want or need)
75 Swings or Hinge Variations (Sets of 10-25; really grease that Hinge Movement)
Any mobility work that is needed and prudent.

“Easy Strength” for an Experienced Lifter
Week 1
Mon (1) 2 x5 Tues (2) 2 x 5 Wed (3) 5-3-2 Fri (4) 2 x 5 Sat (5) 2 x 5

Week 2
Mon (6) 2 x 5 Tues (7) 6 Singles Wed (8) 1 x 10 Fri (9) 2 x 5 Sat (10) 5-3-2

Lifts for the above:

Press Movement: You might decide to change the lifts every two weeks, “Same, but Different.” So flat bench press, incline bench press, and military press can be exchanged for each other after every two-week block. Or just stick with one…like I usually recommend now.

Pull Movement: Pull ups or Chin ups (or, yes, Neutral Grip Pull Ups) have seemed to work better than anything else people have tried. I have often just done six singles the first few days to “practice the movement.”

Hinge Movement: There are two options here depending on need: either pick a deadlift variation (and perhaps rotate it every two weeks, for example, thick bar deadlifts, snatch grip deadlifts, clean grip deadlifts, orthodox deadlifts, Jefferson Lifts or Hack squats) or do roughly 75 kettlebell swings.

Many people have told me they swing in the warm ups and deadlift in Easy Strength fashion and make excellent progress. This is good advice. After trying this myself, I think it works “the best.” At least, until I try something else.

Loaded Carry: Vary the distance EVERY time, and probably the load…if you can.

You might notice that I don’t have the squat. I’ve been doing this programming for nearly two decades now and we just can’t get the squat to “work.” Squatting is great, but maybe not with the ES protocol. Here’s what works with Easy Strength.

Vertical Press
Vertical Pull (Pull ups and variations)
Deadlift Variations
Swings/Loaded Carries (The swing in the warm ups is plenty for most people.)
Ab Wheel

The ab wheel is the salt and pepper keeping the anterior chain happy, the first three are the main dishes. Loaded Carries can be game changers for many athletes.

If you need to know the squat movements, here you go (and I would love you to succeed doing these!):

Squat Movement: Front squats, back squats, overhead squats, zercher squats or safety squats are all fine.

The Easier Strength Workouts

Week 1
Mon (1) 2 x5 Tues (2) 2 x 5 Wed (3) 5-3-2 Fri (4) 2 x 5 Sat (5) 2 x 5

Week 2
Mon (6) 2 x 5 Tues (7) 6 Singles Wed (8) 1 x 10 Fri (9) 2 x 5 Sat (10) 5-3-2

Two sets of Five: it should be easy and be like your second or third warm up lift in a typical workout. The idea, the “secret,” is to get THIS workout to feel easier and easier!

Five-Three-Two: Five reps with your 2 x 5 weight, add weight for three, then a solid double. Make the Double!!!

Six Singles: I don’t care how you do this, but add weight each set. No misses!

One set of ten: the day after six singles, very light load for ten easy “tonic” reps.

Example Workout for an Experienced Lifter:
Monday, Day One.
Incline Bench Press: 165 for five reps, 165 for 5 reps (300 Max Single)
Thick Bar Deadlifts: 185 for five reps, 185 for 5 reps (265 Max Single)
Pull Ups: Two sets of Five
Farmer Walks: 105 with each hand, 100 meters out and back (three stops)
Ab Wheel: Two sets of five reps.

Day Two can be heavier or lighter depending on mood and feel. The important thing is to show up and get the movements in. If one day is too hard and compromises the next day, that is fine as long as you lighten the load and continue getting the reps in without compromising speed.

Day Three “should” begin with the five rep number from the usual 2 x 5 workout, then add some weight for three, and finally add some weight for two. Be sure to get the double. Most people on the easy strength program find that this workout is the test for how things are progressing. The weights begin to fly up on the double but stop there. Challenge the load in another session.

Remember, this is a long-term approach to getting strong and don’t keep testing yourself. Save the big effort for somewhere down the road.

Just keep adding load as you go.

Day Four and Day Five are the most confusing days. Again, the load on the bar “depends” on how you feel. If the efforts feel easy and light, “nudge” the load up. Here is the secret (again): the goal of this program is gently raise your efforts (load) on the easy days so that the bar feels light. If you start out lifting a weight, say 205 at one effort level and in a few weeks you are lifting 245 at the same perceived effort and speed, you ARE stronger.

After a day of rest, Day Six is going to feel easy and it should be like that. Get the reps in.

Day Seven has a simple rule: you will do six singles adding weight EACH rep. So, it can be five pounds or fifty depending on how each single feels. It is NOT a max effort on the last set, it is the sixth single. If the loads feel heavy, just add five pounds. If the bar is flying, add more.

For people who come from the tradition of “smashing the face on the wall,” Day Seven is confusing. Your goal is to determine the load on how the weight feels. If it pops right up and feels light, toss on the plates. If it doesn’t, respect today and realize that you are going to have plenty of opportunities to get stronger in the future.

Day Eight is a “tonic” day, the way we used to use the term. Go really light and just enjoy ten repetitions. It can be as light as 40% of max (or lighter if you feel like, too) and just use the movement to unwind after yesterday’s heavy attempts.

Day Nine is often the day when people see the reasoning behind the program. This is the day where the weights seem too often be just “far too easy.” That is the sign of progress in this program. I remember actually thinking I misloaded the bar and I had to double check my math as the bar seemed to be far too light to be right.

Day Ten is often the day where people “test” themselves a little and this can be fine as long as you feel like going after it. Again, don’t miss.

Week Three: Time for a Change?

Depending on the athlete, or client, some need will need some variation. Some will not. So, I offer three ideas for Week Three.

Week Three, Option One

Now, the original program designed by Pavel demanded that you repeat Weeks One and Two for three additional times. Oh, and it works well. By Week Five, I was a machine on the lifts and broke lifetime Personal Records, smashing my Incline Bench Press record by fifteen pounds (and doing it for two reps, not just a single) and crushing my old Thick Bar Deadlift record (from 265 to 315). This is staggering improvement. So, Option One is to simply keep on keeping on.

Week Three, Option Two
I like this one more for athletes who just need variation. You make small changes to the movements, from Bench Press to Incline Bench Press, Thick Bar Deadlift to Snatch Grip Deadlift and Pull Up to Chin Up. This is Pavel’s “Same, but different” approach. That small change seems to keep enthusiasm high for the entire Eight weeks.

Week Three, Option Three
I have a few athletes doing this now and I believe (maybe “hope” is a better word) that this is the better option for speed and power athletes. It is both a “deload” week and week filled with more metabolic challenges.

Day One
Push Press or Push Jerk (“Rule of Ten”) Five sets of Two, adding weight each set, is a great workout.
“Lift and Offs” (Used to be Livtinovs): After doing a Hinge or a Squat movement, either sprint, sled or prowler immediately after finishing the first movement. In a gym setting, this can be difficult, but I have done this outside with great success with just a kettlebell and a hill.

In a gym setting, Squats followed quickly by Prowlers can be amazing, just don’t pause in between the movements.

Day Two

Left Hand Only!
• Waiter Walk
• Suitcase Walk
• Single Arm Front Squat (Kettlebells are best)
• Suitcase Deadlift
• One arm row on the TRX (or suitable device)
• One arm Bench Press.
Reps, sets, load, time and every other factor “depends.” The idea is to push the stability and symmetry muscles and movements. There is an odd metabolic hit to these moves as one sweats a lot more than expected doing this. So, for example, this can be done with a single Kettlebell in a park (which is wonderful, by the way) and the athlete can challenge various aspects of training and get a good workout while also practicing mastery of body position and dynamics.

Doing just one side also frees up the mind a little bit. It is pretty obvious what you will be doing in a few days so you can experiment a bit and play the edges of tension and relaxation as you train.

Day Three
Push Press or Push Jerk (“Rule of Ten”) Five sets of Two, adding weight each set, is a great workout.
“Lift and Offs” (Used to be Livtinovs): After doing a Hinge or a Squat movement, either sprint, sled or prowler immediately after finishing the first movement. In a gym setting, this can be difficult, but I have done this outside with great success with just a kettlebell and a hill.

In a gym setting, Squats followed quickly by Prowlers can be amazing, just don’t pause in between the movements.

Day Four
Right Arm Only!
• Waiter Walk
• Suitcase Walk
• Single Arm Front Squat (Kettlebells are best)
• Suitcase Deadlift
• One arm row on the TRX (or suitable device)
• One arm Bench Press.

At the beginning of Week Four, the athlete will mix up the variations in the basic movements (Push, Pull, Hinge, Squat, Loaded Carry) and progress along using the same rep and set template in Weeks One and Two.

After finishing the program (Weeks One and Two repeated four times total; Option Three would be a twelve week program), fully assess mobility, basic strength levels and the program vis-à-vis your goals. I would suggest maybe an FMS screen and blood tests, too, but costs can be an issue.


Applying Easy Strength to Sports

Does Easy Strength work? Yes.
So, why don’t we have X athletes do it?

We do and they improve quickly and everyone is happy!

How about Y athletes?

Hmmm, well, you know…it depends!

The next section was my quest to eliminate the term “it depends” from my strength coaching.

Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...


Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
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Gunny72
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08-15-19 07:24 PM - Post#886316    



Very good.

I thought you were a little hard on yourself with a previous post you wrote on another thread a couple of days back. "Easy Strength" changed my life ! It has changed the way I have trained ever since !

My body feels much better now as a 47 year old then it did when I was in my twenties & going to the Gym for 2 hr sessions, 5 days a week ! What the hell I was doing in there for 2 hours, I can never understand. I have always been drug-free as well, so I was obviously over training & not getting any desired results.

I have written posts/published my results on this Forum before about my successes with the "40 day programme." Maybe Laree could attach them to this Post somehow as evidence that it actually works.

Edited....Below, you will find a Post that I have just copied & pasted my from an old thread/topic of mine titled " My 40 Day programme results.". This was originally written last year & it was my second successful attempt of the programme.

Greetings all,
Just thought I would share with you my results & experiences with the my 2nd, 40 Day Workout challenge in which I completed last Friday 04.11.18.

First, just to let you know a few things about myself & the challenge to keep things in perspective. I did my first challenge in March- May 2017 when I was 45yrs , my height was 172cm and my weight was 73kg. One year later, I am 46 yrs (really ? ), same height but my weight is now 78 to 79kg due to training smarter & following many great tips & thoughts from this Forum in the past year.

Age - 46
Height - 172cm
Weight - 79kg
a) Previous Deadlift PB - (110 KG or 242 pounds) (That was before I had even heard of Dan John.)
b) 2017 Deadlift ( After 1st 40 Day Challenge.) PB - (125 KG or 275 pounds)
That is a 13% increase in 8 weeks.
c) 2018 Deadlift (After 2nd 40 Day Challenge.) New PB - 140 kg or 308 pounds.

a) Previous Bench PB - 85 KG or 187 pounds
b) 2017 Bench PB - 90 KG (2 reps) or 198 pounds.
I lifted PB for 2 reps.....no spotter.
c) 2018 Bench. New PB – 105kg – 2 reps, with no spotter. Could have gone 3 reps but played it safe.

a) Previous Barbell Rows PB - 70 kg
b) 2017 Barbell Rows PB - 77.50 kg
10% increase in 8 weeks
c) 2018 Barbell Row – 90 kg. (More than my bodyweight.)

P.S – Just like last year, I did all those Personal Bests within about 20 minutes of each other.

I didn’t have an Ab wheel so I would do some tiger crawls & vary the distance each time as well as KB swings, with a 20 KG KB & would vary the rep range but no more than 75 swings.

I feel strong, fresh & in in Shape.

Many thanks,
Andrew Gunn

Andrew Gunn

Edited by Gunny72 on 08-15-19 07:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Dan John
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08-15-19 07:39 PM - Post#886317    



So, AG...I'm rewriting my sections. The book was hard to follow.

Thank you for sharing this...
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...


Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you


 
Gunny72
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08-15-19 08:27 PM - Post#886319    



  • Dan John Said:
So, AG...I'm rewriting my sections. The book was hard to follow.

Thank you for sharing this...




Now I understand.
 
Jordan D
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08-15-19 08:50 PM - Post#886321    



Well, I'm sold.

Though I wonder if squats just don't work on a bus bench ES program. As a park bench program, they've worked very well for me.
 
Dan John
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08-15-19 09:06 PM - Post#886322    



Again, I will applaud all the way if you make it work.

Loads seem to need to be really low...recovery is slow...chronic soreness...

But, honestly, make it work.
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...


Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you


 
Jordan D
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08-15-19 10:06 PM - Post#886324    



  • Dan John Said:
Loads seem to need to be really low...recovery is slow...chronic soreness...



Interestingly, the lack of soreness is what made me committed to long-term ES. Surely it's related to my body's own unique recovery response, but the soreness from once-a-week big lift templates like 5/3/1, for example, has always led to tight hamstrings and chronic lower back injuries (usually incurred when getting out of bed the day after squat/deadlift workouts). Hitting the same movement (reasonably) 5 days a week seems to obviate that. The low loads are certainly key...but...they still go up over time.

  • Dan John Said:
But, honestly, make it work.



This I shall. Frankly, I'm obsessed with it. Just waiting to see if I can get my daily "no warmup" ES squat weights up to 315, without injury, before I start preaching too much.

Side note: the essays on the workout site are a gold mine. Fantastic to have those all in one centralized location.

 
Gunny72
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08-15-19 10:20 PM - Post#886325    



  • Dan John Said:
Again, I will applaud all the way if you make it work.

Loads seem to need to be really low...recovery is slow...chronic soreness...

But, honestly, make it work.



I have occasionally wondered if Squats could work with 40 day day programme by performing them 3 days a week ?

E.g Deadlifts, Press, Row or Pull up, Abwheel, swings 5 days a week & Squats on Day 1,3 & 5 ?

I must give that a go next time.


Edited by Gunny72 on 08-15-19 10:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Kyle Aaron
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08-16-19 02:23 AM - Post#886330    



  • Jordan D Said:
Though I wonder if squats just don't work on a bus bench ES program.


They work, you just have to be smart about it, going neither too hard (80+%) nor too easy (60-%).

https://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/36364/

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Dan John
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08-16-19 08:17 AM - Post#886336    



Thank you for reposting that...still reeks of brilliance.

Oddly, something John Powell told me rang a bell. He said, as we all do, that if he could do it all over again, he would never squat more than 225 (basically 100k) and just for like ten reps.

He found, like I did and Percy Cerutty and others, that hill sprints/stadium steps were far better than squats for discus and track and field generally.

Yes, loaded carries, easy strength and litvinovs were the "game changers" in my career. But, easing up on the squats and getting back to hills once or twice a week for just a few hard reps were bigger than I remember (sadly).

So, as Kyle notes...on squats the LOAD is going to be a different story. Maybe just greasing the groove for forty days in the squat might be far better than trying to be clever.

And, of course, "what do you mean by squats?" I was watching the Westside Documentary and the comp squats with the wide feet and slight dip would not be squats...for me.

I have wondered a few times if Overhead Squats for ES might solve a lot of the issues as you really can't go crazy on load with OS...but that's another topic.

Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...


Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you


 
iPood
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08-16-19 09:02 AM - Post#886340    



  • Dan John Said:
I have wondered a few times if Overhead Squats for ES might solve a lot of the issues as you really can't go crazy on load with OS...but that's another topic.



"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin


 
BrianBinVA
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08-16-19 12:10 PM - Post#886345    



I have wondered the same thing about overhead squats.


 
Walter J.
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08-16-19 12:43 PM - Post#886347    



OH squats might be the answer.

Then again maybe the answer is Hip-belt squats. The legs recover fast at easy loads. The issue with squats for most people, especially those of us with some mileage on our bodies, which can be there even at a somewhat younger age, is the back recovery.

Also, many times we are fine from the training session, but sitting with poor posture or sleeping in a saggy mattress is the real culprit in causing back issues after training.
Hip belt squats do not tax the back at all, which is nice for those with back recovery issues. The legs get use to daily load easily whereas the back, not so much for many of us.

The other option may be in varying the squat everyday. Hip belt squat day one, Day two back squat, Day three RFESS, (Rear Foot Elevated Split Squat), which gives the back a break. Day four OH squat which is a lighter load than back squat, so the back is worked, but in a much more upright stance than a persons typical back squat. Day five reverse lunge with the front foot elevated on a weight plate or two. Even Zercher squats could fit in here too.

Anyway, varying the squat every day spreads the load around the body from day to day. This facilitates recovery.

Athletically speaking, I always found RFESS and various unilateral leg work gave me much more bang for the buck than bi-lateral squats when it came to leg strength and stability while hiking, running doing cuts on the field, etc. Twisting Dragons, walking lunges, tactical lunges form a low platform, etc. done slow and controlled create stability in single leg training and great strength without all the back trauma. Thus, you save the back for doing things like dead’s and pulls and farmers walks, carries.

I guess it comes down too: do I want to get stronger in a squat, as in higher numbers on my back squat? Or do I want to become more athletic on the field?

If the back isn’t cooked from back squats, lol, it is far easier to build the load up easier on your pulls. That’s been my experience, for whatever that’s worth, lol.

If I can knock out numerous unilateral leg work in a controlled fashion, I found when I run or make a quick directional change my knees and entire leg structure feels much more stable an apt to transfer power than if I just bi-laterally squatted all the time. YMMV, however.

 
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08-16-19 01:44 PM - Post#886349    



I'm not going to be the test rat on this, but the logic is sound.

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08-16-19 01:59 PM - Post#886352    



Walter, I like that. How about calling it 'One Squat a Day'? Commit to 'some kind of squat' each day on Easy Strength guidelines.
 
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08-16-19 05:53 PM - Post#886362    



OH squats have me intrigued.

I think I will try the Jefferson lift for my next ES run.
 
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08-16-19 05:58 PM - Post#886363    



Will have to check out the site!

On squatting heavy.. I was in high school in the 90's, played O-Tackle. I was pushed into eating lots of food and do lots of 5's and 10's in the weight room. At my peak I was 270 pounds, could do a double with 490, did 1300 lbs on a seated leg press, and broke a leg extension machine doing leg extensions on the max selector. I cannot say I was particularly fast or powerful from all the squatting and weight gain. I was not a stellar O-Tackle. I suspect more practice and sprints would have helped more than all the squatting.

Edited by D Berta on 08-16-19 05:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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08-16-19 05:58 PM - Post#886364    



There is a nice article on DD about a buddy of mine using the J lift.

Right leg forward and left leg forward are TWO exercises...
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08-16-19 06:05 PM - Post#886365    



Some other single leg variations I can add that i have used and enjoyed:
The Bryce Lane compendium mentions the B Squat, another staggered stance squat option. It can be a good way to practice emphasizing one leg over the other with the benefit of a prop leg.

Tim Anderson has videos on the LEGO squat.



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08-16-19 06:06 PM - Post#886366    



Front squats, in someone who does them often, will be 75-85% the load of back squats. And if they're (say) 50%, then maybe you do need to front squat more often.

Less absolute load means less stress and chance of injury, which is why front squats (in place of back squats) are now part of the novice progression for my younger more-or-less healthy lifters.

Now, once you get past 30yo or so, in an ES scenario, you could limit your front squats to whatever you can clean. That's going to be less than you can front squat out of a rack. And then of course, your "hinge" could be a light one, the clean.

If you're over 50 then it gets complicated. Essentially everyone over 50 is injured or sick - though some of them don't know it yet, or won't admit it. The active ones have pinged something along the way, and the sedentary ones, too. Load and stress won't be the limit, but the injury or sickness. The sedentary ones are easier to train than the active ones, because the sedentary ones understand they have limits, the active ones want to be 25 again, or say, "I'm in the best shape of my life now!" If you're in the best shape of your lift at 50 you must have had a bad youth.

So I maintain: you can do squats on Easy Strength, but you have to be careful with the load, and you can't do them while trying to push a bigger deadlift.

Programming is nothing more than balancing stress and recovery. Squats are more stressful than deadlifts, so they have to be used more carefully; and squats and deadlifts together won't be... well, they won't be easy.

I guess that's the question to ask yourself when putting together an Easy Strength programme: will it actually be easy?

"I'll do it 6 days a week!"
"I'll do bench and press!"
"I'll do a squat, a push, a pull, a hinge, and a loaded carry!"
"I'll do squats and deadlifts!"

"Will that be easy?"

Easy Strength should be easy. This is, I know, a profound insight for which you will all be grateful.
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08-16-19 09:46 PM - Post#886372    



So very true Kyle!

I’m 57 and have a lot of “dings” from playing a ton of sports and also a few work related injuries. I gave up trying to gain like I did when I was younger, I’m not ever going to hit those numbers again, lol.

ES for me isn’t about picking five or so movements and then repeating them throughout the weeks. I sort of came up with my own ES method. I’ll try to describe it, though it might not make sense to some people. But here goes:

After dealing with all sorts of sports related injuries and a few work injuries I decided I would work around issues by really listening to my body. For me, doing the bare minimum a few times per week just doesn’t work. I enjoy training more frequently but have to juggle the load.

I do so by listening to my body. If I feel really light on my feet that day I will most likely do some soccer wall-ball. That is, I kick a soccer ball off a wall and use that as my partner to “kick” it back to me. I will also do a lot of foot juggling of the soccer ball. I will often add in some sprints and various lateral shuffle runs, etc. It feels good and i perform well because my body was telling me “do this today”.

The next day I might feel like my shoulders and chest are feeling exceptionally good. So I’ll do some OH presses and some close grip benching on a 30 degree incline. After that if my arms feel good I’ll hit some direct arm work.

The following day my lower back might feel real solid. So its a day for pulls, power cleans from the hang and deadlifts. Depending on how that feels I might knock out a bunch of KB cleans for fun.

Next day maybe my legs feel strong. Time for leg work. Maybe Zercher squats and RFESS. Or maybe hip-belt squats, tactical lunges from a low platform. IF that feels real good I might knock out a few sets of walking lunges, slow and controlled so the form is spot on.

The following day my whole body might feel tight and light. Perfect day for a bunch of BW stuff.

On any given day I might throw in some other things. Perhaps on one day I feel sort of pumped all over, solid but pumped. That would be a perfect day to do a bit of everything, like bodybuilding hypertrophy work. Or maybe my torso feels real solid and I’ll pound a bunch of torso work.

Regardless, I have about 10-12 different training sessions sort of outlined. However I feel that day I run with one of those outlines. But just like an outline it’s still open to some interpretation and Improvisation as I go through it. I adjust it to what my body is telling me. So even if I feel working the legs is good that day, if part way through the routine I feel “that’s enough for my legs today” and I realize my back or arms or torso feels exceptionally good, then I’ll throw in some targeted work for that area.

I don’t really worry about training my arms two days in a row or my legs if that’s how they feel. It works for me. It doesn’t make sense to me to train something just because my training journal says “do pulls today”. Especially if my lower back isn’t feeling up to snuff that day.

I also don’t worry about looking at my training journal and realizing I haven’t done any BB presses fro a week or two, I’ll notice I was doing a lot of KB presses and maybe various BW pushups like wide, medium and diamond pushups and some lever pushups. So no biggie, I’ve still been working those movements and muscles and joints. Then I notice when I do BB presses again they feel stronger, even though I hadn’t done them specifically for 10-14 days. It all works.

Interestingly enough, I will run through everything I want to train pretty much every week or 8-10 days. Maybe this makes no sense to anyone, lol. But easy strength, easy cardio, etc. seems to me would work best if you did what your body is telling you its most prepared to do that day. Not every day we train feels right even when the program calls for leg day “well my program is saying I gotta do squats today, so that’s what I’m a gonna do, even though my knees feel like junk today”.

That makes absolutely NO sense to me, lol.

As a person gets older they don’t need less movement in their life. Less movement will come soon enough. I feel as a person gets older they need more movement to hang on to what they have and if at all possible to improve on the movement quality. They also don’t need constant banging up of the body trying to set PRs all the time or trying to follow some program just because the program says so. If it’s bench press day and my shoulders feel like garbage but my back feels great, I say do some pulls, rows, etc. instead of bench presses.

I figure if I feel a certain way in whatever part of my body or my whole body, If I go with what feels good that day I’m working WITH my body and thus will perform the movements I choose that day at my best. why perform something at a reduced capacity if my body is telling me “You know, you’ve done a few sets of this but ya know what? It doesn’t feel all that good today. If you’d just listened I could have shined if you had done some presses today instead of dead’s!”

Anyway, weird as it might sound, that’s my version of ES. I’ll train every day, sometimes twice a day depending on how I feel and what feels best that day. And sometimes it might be that I take a few days off and just do a lot of walking. The interesting thing is, by working this way with my body I hardly ever feel beat up from training and I have been able to avoid aggravating any old injuries.

I’m just letting the gains come as they may. If I feel I can push something on one day I will. If not, I’ll just train the moves that my body feels good about that day. Sometimes I’ll go for an hour and sometimes just twenty or thirty minutes.

Interestingly enough it also allows me to train with BW, BBs, KBs and other implements. I go with the flow. If I start doing OH presses with a barbell and it feels off that day, even though my shoulders feel strong, well I’ll seque over into KB presses and my body goes “Thank you, that feels a lot better today.”

This might not work for a lot of people, lol. But I’ve been training a lot of different things for a lot of years and have tuned in to what my body is telling me. And so far it’s working good for me, working with my body rather than trying to force it into submission. I hardly ever deal with soreness or feeling like I don’t want to train that day. It’s more like an exciting journey where it’s more about the experiences along the way than setting myself up to set a world record, a destination, and when that comes, then what? Eventually ya just are NOT going to set any records anymore, lol. This way my journey is never ending. Having goals is great, but I like stepping stones and paths and winding mountain trails thru the woods where you cannot always see what lies ahead and dealing with the unknown. What will my body feel like doing tomorrow? I don’t know, but when it gets here I’ll find out then and will enjoy training . Of course, this is an experiment of N=1, lol.



 
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08-17-19 02:51 AM - Post#886378    



  • Kyle Aaron Said:
I guess that's the question to ask yourself when putting together an Easy Strength programme: will it actually be easy?

"I'll do it 6 days a week!"
"I'll do bench and press!"
"I'll do a squat, a push, a pull, a hinge, and a loaded carry!"
"I'll do squats and deadlifts!"

"Will that be easy?"

Easy Strength should be easy. This is, I know, a profound insight for which you will all be grateful.



The main problem with the Easy Strength setup is that it's so easy that we feel the urge to improve all the lifts at the same time. And, while it certainly can be possible at first, you end up bumping into a wall.

What's the solution to this? Instead of doing five or six exercises, you just do three: a lower body lift, an upper body pull and an upper body push (deadlift, bench and pull up).

And, after a couple of successful cycles, you switch the lifts (squat, row and press). Not necessarily all of them at the same time, just the ones that you seem to be struggling with.

Morphing ES into PttP plus one lift seems to work wonderfully.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin




Edited by iPood on 08-17-19 02:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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08-17-19 03:26 AM - Post#886380    



Well, that's it. You limit it.

I'll do X, Y and Z for 6 weeks. Then I'll change something.

Then all you have to do is refrain from being an idiot for six weeks. This is surprisingly difficult.
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08-17-19 08:29 AM - Post#886385    



I'll be 71 on Monday. I "workout" 7 days a week in the morning - something different each day. I have an Original Strength warmup I do most days - nothing fancy - either this or a short Yoga "ish" routine. I try to walk a mile or so each evening with the wife. Workouts are all over the place - some weights every day of different exercises - Lord knows what it might be - bike trainer and my walk for the aerobics. Climb on my indoor wall a couple days a week - rings at times. Weights are usually but not always moderate except for grip strength workouts where I can go heavy and feel safe. I do not think in terms of "weeks" or 7 days having any meaning in my rotation. I do take periods where I set strength goals (my own) and train towards them which are heavier but not brutally so. Not so sure it's Easy Strength as described as much as maybe mixed strength or my version of "healthy strength".
 
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08-17-19 08:51 AM - Post#886387    



Happy birthday, Chris, and best of luck with your healthy strength efforts.

A question for Dan and the team: How do you feel about having trap bar deadlifts double as your the squat and hinge movement on EES?
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08-17-19 09:28 AM - Post#886388    



  • AAnnunz Said:
Happy birthday, Chris, and best of luck with your healthy strength efforts.

A question for Dan and the team: How do you feel about having trap bar deadlifts double as your the squat and hinge movement on EES?



Thanks!
 
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08-17-19 09:39 AM - Post#886389    



I talked about this on the Pat Flynn podcast (trap bar).

It depends on how you do it. It's often the ugliest movement I have ever seen in the weight room, that curved back "leg press,"

I don't use it, but...here we go again...it's one of those things that if you commit to doing it, do it and get back to us/me, I would love to hear how it goes.
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08-17-19 10:51 AM - Post#886391    



  • AAnnunz Said:
Happy birthday, Chris, and best of luck with your healthy strength efforts.

A question for Dan and the team: How do you feel about having trap bar deadlifts double as your the squat and hinge movement on EES?



Yes!

Warm up with slow and long range goblets and goat bag swings and get strong with trap bar lifts (I use this term on purpose).

Snatch grip deadlift works too.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin




Edited by iPood on 08-17-19 11:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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08-17-19 10:57 AM - Post#886392    



Getting back to the thread title....

Dan, that Park Bench Generator is brilliant! I just did my first. It has possibly solved my 'chaotic summer' problem because I just tapped in the equipment I have (which is varying a lot depending on who I'm visiting, odd gym days etc) and got a perfectly sensible 30 minute workout.

The psychology is nice too - no attempt to have complex input of sets and reps, just a 'mark complete' button and the date it happened.

I build and manage software platforms, and I'm blown away that it seems to be bug-free right from the start, and works perfectly on mobile. That usually takes several weeks of testing, which is what I presumed you wanted us to do.

Just a thought, but not sure if it's opening a can of worms. One commonly available piece of equipment is a hill (a cartoon sprinter icon on a ramp?). People might or might not fancy hill sprints and you might or might not want to prescribe them. Anyway I'm nicely warmed up and off to do a few...

Congratulations on launching this...
 
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08-17-19 04:00 PM - Post#886410    



Excellent suggestion...let me ask.
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08-18-19 12:57 PM - Post#886422    



I've had a look at this and I have some feedback and questions (I apologize in advance):

Is the idea that people would transfer their workout logs to this site?

If so, I would like to enter more detail, such as intensity: Pounds or kilograms (all my weights are in kg), distance (for carries, yards or meters), band resistance (like Iron Woody band blue), etc.

If you could enter intensity, some cool things could be generated automatically, like charts to show your progress (if not now, maybe later).

Programs I would like to see are Dave Turner's beginners Olympic weightlifting program and Mass Made Simple Lite (the "reasonable" version of MMS that I might be able to do).

If you could choose your lifts for the Park Bench program, that would be brilliant.

I would like to see how many Squat, Hinge, Push, Pull, Carry and other movements I've done daily, weekly, monthly, yearly.

Does the website keep a history of what I've done?

40 Day Program seems to end at Workout 30.

It would be great if Big 21 would calculate the weights for you, i.e., you enter the starting weight for each lift and it fills the numbers for you for the entire program.

Can you choose the 40 Day Program lifts? It seems you "have to" do Bench Press. I would like to be able to choose the lifts.

Exercise is misspelled as Exericse on right side menu (Exercise Selection when you choose 40 Day Program).

In other words, I would need more freedom and detail to be able to transfer my workout log to this site. I'd also like the ability to enter notes on workouts ("Didn't get much sleep last night", etc.).

I haven't used any online training logs for this reason, they are too limiting and don't offer much compared to my current workout log. At minimum, if you are paying for it, you'd like a history of what you've done and graphs to show improvement / lack of progress over time.

One thing I do use is Apple Health app (on iPhone), which just shows how much I've walked each day / week / month / year. If similar charts were generated for Hinge, Squat, Pull, Push, Carry, 6th movement automatically by this website, it would be a great start.

If Dan John or one of his certified experts would offer lifting technique / programming advice, that might be worth paying for. You'd need to be able to upload videos of your lifts, etc.

Happy to contribute more, and I apologize if I come across as a dick, but I hope some of this is useful feedback.

If the purpose of the website is something completely different, or the free version doesn't include all the bells and whistles, then please ignore the above.

Thank you, I will continue exploring it.
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08-18-19 02:19 PM - Post#886425    



I would also like to add that if the purpose of the new website is to provide funds for the running costs of IronOnline, I'd personally be happy to contribute $5 or $10 per month to keep it going.
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08-18-19 07:08 PM - Post#886431    



The site has given me a whole new appreciation of split-squat misery. Those wall split-squats really crept up on me.
 
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08-19-19 02:31 AM - Post#886448    



Dan, I had been thinking on and off for 20 years about Ville's line, as I don't think anyone has done the 'workout log' right, and was considering it as a retirement project. But I know that growing a software-as-a-service business is tricky - it would be complex, and ultimately soak up many man-months of development (thus be costly).

It would help if you can sum up where you see it going and what the scope is.
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If the goal is "quick access to your workouts, and a nudge to 'keep the plan the plan'", I'd say it's pretty much there already.

The idea of uploading a video clip and being able to get feedback for paying subscribers is a great one, as it wouldn't be a big hike in complexity.

If you're looking for nice printable checklists and workout specs to take away, I may be able to help and will PM you about this.

 
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08-19-19 09:59 AM - Post#886461    



I emailed the programmer! Don't forget, this is a child, toddler.

I foresee hundreds or thousand of articles and more, but this like Week One.
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08-20-19 01:53 AM - Post#886488    



I've also thought about solving the workout log problem in the past, my expertise is more in the server and database side (although I've got so bored of this that I'm moving to lower levels). Few times I've started designing a relational (SQL) database schema for this, but then I think why am I sitting doing this in my free time when I'm already sitting in an office 40+ hours a week. (I rather lift weights!)

The biggest obstacle (or one of them) is how to enter the workout so it doesn't take too long. You'd need to enter each lift, reps, sets and intensity. This is tedious.

Then I thought it might be quite easy to create a "workout crawler" which scans through your existing workout log on a training forum. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement, so it can parse your workout entry format and automatically push the data into a database. Then create a web front-end that displays historical data that you can view as daily, weekly, monthly and yearly statistics. This would be best of both worlds; you can just write your workout log entry as before (no need to use dropdown lists, enter each set in a different input field, etc.) and you get the charts for free. You could extend this in various ways, e.g., attach photos to workouts, etc. Nice business idea for anyone interested.

I might do this one day for my IronOnline workout log when I retire. They just raised the retirement age to 75 in UK, so another 29 years to go before I'll start this.
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08-20-19 03:15 AM - Post#886492    



I was looking at the website.

I am familiar with alot of the programmes as I have read alot of Dan John's work but I have to say I don't know if the format is easy to understand for someone that doesn't know the programmes.
This has been mitigated somewhat by the instructions at the bottom & linking the article s but I think it could help by adding two things.

One is with the workout template adding in brackets the week next to the workout number.

Two maybe include a video showing a sequence of exercise or something. The reason I say this is I was looking at the 10 000 swing challenge & I don't know if it would be obvious to people whether they need to do a set of swings a set of presses rather than five sets of swings five sets of presses.

I know the info is there if you look but I am just trying to envision how someone new to strength training/ Dan John's programmes will read it.

Actually I will get my girlfriend to read a few of these & see if she can easily grasp them.
 
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08-20-19 08:19 AM - Post#886499    



  • Cearball Said:
I was looking at the website.

I am familiar with alot of the programmes as I have read alot of Dan John's work but I have to say I don't know if the format is easy to understand for someone that doesn't know the programmes.
This has been mitigated somewhat by the instructions at the bottom & linking the article s but I think it could help by adding two things.

One is with the workout template adding in brackets the week next to the workout number.

Two maybe include a video showing a sequence of exercise or something. The reason I say this is I was looking at the 10 000 swing challenge & I don't know if it would be obvious to people whether they need to do a set of swings a set of presses rather than five sets of swings five sets of presses.

I know the info is there if you look but I am just trying to envision how someone new to strength training/ Dan John's programmes will read it.

Actually I will get my girlfriend to read a few of these & see if she can easily grasp them.




She seemed to understand most of the programmes but didn't realise about the 10 000 swing challenge order so maybe it's just that programme.

She did mention that it might be more user friendly having the extra info drop down menus at the top of the workouts rather than the bottom.
 
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08-20-19 10:15 AM - Post#886509    



  • Ville Said:
I've also thought about solving the workout log problem in the past, my expertise is more in the server and database side (although I've got so bored of this that I'm moving to lower levels). Few times I've started designing a relational (SQL) database schema for this, but then I think why am I sitting doing this in my free time when I'm already sitting in an office 40+ hours a week. (I rather lift weights!)

The biggest obstacle (or one of them) is how to enter the workout so it doesn't take too long. You'd need to enter each lift, reps, sets and intensity. This is tedious.

Then I thought it might be quite easy to create a "workout crawler" which scans through your existing workout log on a training forum. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement, so it can parse your workout entry format and automatically push the data into a database. Then create a web front-end that displays historical data that you can view as daily, weekly, monthly and yearly statistics. This would be best of both worlds; you can just write your workout log entry as before (no need to use dropdown lists, enter each set in a different input field, etc.) and you get the charts for free. You could extend this in various ways, e.g., attach photos to workouts, etc. Nice business idea for anyone interested.

I might do this one day for my IronOnline workout log when I retire. They just raised the retirement age to 75 in UK, so another 29 years to go before I'll start this.



I'm a retired software engineer and have time to work on this. All the computerized logs I've seen seem awkward and/or inflexible.

I've spent 20 years experience automating disc drive factories including front and back end programming, database, machine intelligence, security and project management. If there's interest in this project I could start work on a prototype when I get home from our current trip.
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08-22-19 01:25 PM - Post#886622    



  • Steve Rogers Said:
  • Ville Said:
I've also thought about solving the workout log problem in the past, my expertise is more in the server and database side (although I've got so bored of this that I'm moving to lower levels). Few times I've started designing a relational (SQL) database schema for this, but then I think why am I sitting doing this in my free time when I'm already sitting in an office 40+ hours a week. (I rather lift weights!)

The biggest obstacle (or one of them) is how to enter the workout so it doesn't take too long. You'd need to enter each lift, reps, sets and intensity. This is tedious.

Then I thought it might be quite easy to create a "workout crawler" which scans through your existing workout log on a training forum. It wouldn't be too difficult to implement, so it can parse your workout entry format and automatically push the data into a database. Then create a web front-end that displays historical data that you can view as daily, weekly, monthly and yearly statistics. This would be best of both worlds; you can just write your workout log entry as before (no need to use dropdown lists, enter each set in a different input field, etc.) and you get the charts for free. You could extend this in various ways, e.g., attach photos to workouts, etc. Nice business idea for anyone interested.

I might do this one day for my IronOnline workout log when I retire. They just raised the retirement age to 75 in UK, so another 29 years to go before I'll start this.



I'm a retired software engineer and have time to work on this. All the computerized logs I've seen seem awkward and/or inflexible.

I've spent 20 years experience automating disc drive factories including front and back end programming, database, machine intelligence, security and project management. If there's interest in this project I could start work on a prototype when I get home from our current trip.



Steve, thanks. Please don't create it for me, my workouts are not that important. That's the number two reason why I've never done this, because my lifting has pretty much flat-lined, or it's been on a slow decline since I hit 40, and it would be too depressing to see charts and statistics that underline the fact. Still, just seeing that the fundamental human movements get done regularly would be motivational.

That said, it might be a great feature for DJ's new website, if he needs it. I can offer help writing parsers (perhaps in Python or Go?) that can handle people's workout entry formats.
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Steve Rogers
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Re: The workout site
08-22-19 07:13 PM - Post#886640    



Pretty much why I haven't done it for myself, Ville. I keep a paper log during workouts and post here for accountability. Still, it would be nice to see an electronic log that actually worked and could be an interesting project.
"Coyote is always waiting, and Coyote is always hungry."


 
Ville
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Re: The workout site
08-24-19 01:38 PM - Post#886730    



Could we also have Dan Martin’s DMPM and basic barbell programs as options on the workouts site?
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Dan John
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08-24-19 03:27 PM - Post#886733    



Basic barbell is there. Just use the generator and pick barbell. Or do the BB programs.

If Dan Martin approves, yes.

We could certainly make this an article...or even something like a daily "do this."
Daniel John
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08-24-19 03:28 PM - Post#886734    



Dan is a rare dude: he decided that he needed "this" and did "this."

And, he did. For a long time.

I type that, reread it and laugh.

But, this is what works.
Daniel John
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Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
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08-25-19 12:57 PM - Post#886765    



Something magic happens when Dan Martin writes a program, he's got a knack for it.

Reminds me of the the old weightlifting books, everything was so clear. Just do these lifts and you will become a superman!
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Chris Rice
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08-25-19 05:09 PM - Post#886783    



I sometimes wonder just how far we have come from the old York barbell course that came with the weight set I got in the early 60s?
 
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09-30-19 07:02 PM - Post#888412    



A few days after launch I decided to go join the site and use the programs semi-exclusively. The programming has been a delight thus far. The only thing that I felt as though needed to be added was 2x5 on the ab wheel.

Opting for three times per week gave me a chance to evaluate the system. Initially I added nothing in order to judge its effectiveness and was more than pleased. Some weeks there might be some additional swing days but for the most part off days are spent performing the foam roll-stretching-linear/la teral warm-up sequences with OS resets and walking or MAF running.

It has been good indeed.
 
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09-30-19 07:07 PM - Post#888413    



Thank you for the feedback. Like I said, we have just begun, but feedback is so important.
Daniel John
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Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you


 
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