chrishighcock
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08-08-19 10:04 AM - Post#885867
Pavel's new book. Any thoughts? I've just got my copy in the post yesterday and haven't had a chance to read it yet.
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aussieluke
Total Posts: 5439
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08-08-19 10:21 AM - Post#885868
Haven’t bought it but read lots of posts about it.
Impression I get is it isn’t all that clear what you’re meant to actually do, and maybe too much of the why.
Could be wrong of course.
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D Berta
Total Posts: 141
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08-08-19 10:59 AM - Post#885871
It's a pass for me. Seems like the direction for Strong First has been short bursts, aerobic heart rate, repeated for many minutes. This type of training has been covered previously in books elsewhere. For instance, Ultimate MMA conditioning by Joel Jamieson, and Joel is pretty clear that he didn't strictly speaking invent a lot of his stuff, but refined older knowledge.
Heck a lot of kettlebell workouts from Dan's HKC challenge done at a reasonable intensity or with a heart rate monitor feel similar to this style training to me. Slap a heart rate monitor on, rest when things spike, and there you go.
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Heck
Total Posts: 62
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I read it a couple of nights ago. I think the protocol is perfectly OK, but his approach is definitely, uh, serious these days. All life and death and ATP and mitochondria. I miss Pavel's voice and humor. He was one of my all-time favorite strength writers once upon a time.
Contrast that with Enter the Kettlebell Plus, a program I found from a 2009 Milo the other day. The program is great (and actually a bit similar with its focus on dice and moderate pacing), but the voice is great, too.
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12bernd
Total Posts: 176
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It is not true that the book doesn't explain in detail what you are supposed to do. There are basically 2 training programs and an in-depth explanation of the exercise science and biochemistry behind them. They have worked with this idea for several years with the Strong Endurance Certs. But maybe all this information is a bit too much for the people who are only familiar with S&S and the "A+A" programs from their site.
The "swing/power pushup" program:
-train 2-3 times a week
-alternate swings and push ups
-do a series of 20 reps for each; either 2 sets of 10 or 4 sets of 5
-rest 30secs between sets of 5 and 1 full minute between sets of 10
-start a new series every 3 minutes alternating between swings and pushups
Option 1: 0:00 5 swings, 0:30 5 swings, 1:00 5 swings, 1:30 5 swings, 3:00 5 power pushups, 3:30 5 power pushups, 4:00 5 power pushups, 4:30 5 power pushups, 6:00 5 swings, 6:30 5 swings, ....
Option 2: 0:00 10 Swings, 1:00 10 Swings, 3:00 10 power pushups, 4:00 10 power pushups, 6:00 10 Swings, 7:00 10 Swings, ...
-session volumes can be 40, 60, 80 or 100 reps for swings and power pushups each
-you use a d6 to determine what your training session looks like (volume, reps, exercises vary)
The "Snatch" program
-train 2-3 times per week
-left and right handed snatches are treated as different events
-do a series of 20 reps for each; either 2 sets of 10 or 4 sets of 5
-rest 30secs between sets of 5 and 1 full minute between sets of 10
-start a new series every 4 minutes alternating between left and right hand
Option 1: 0:00 5 left, 0:30 5 left, 1:00 5 left, 1:30 5 left, 4:00 5 right, 4:30 5 right, 5:00 5 right, 5:30 5 right, 8:00 5 left, 8:30 5 left, ...
Option 2: 0:00 10 left, 1:00 10 left, 4:00 10 right, 5:00 10 right, 8:00 10 left, 9:00 10 left, ...
-session volumes can be 40, 60, 80 or 100 reps TOTAL (sum of both arms)
-you use a d6 to determine what your training session looks like (volume and reps vary)
Edited by 12bernd on 08-08-19 01:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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chrishighcock
Total Posts: 2091
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It is not true that the book doesn't explain in detail what you are supposed to do. There are basically 2 training programs and an in-depth explanation of the exercise science and biochemistry behind them. They have worked on this for several years with the Strong Endurance Certs. But maybe all this information is a bit too much for the people who are only familiar with S&S and the "A+A" programs from their site.
The "swing/power pushup" program:
-train 2-3 times a week
-alternate swings and push ups
-do a series of 20 reps for each; either 2 sets of 10 or 4 sets of 5
-rest 30secs between sets of 5 and 1 full minute between sets of 10
-start a new series every 3 minutes alternating between swings and pushups
Option 1: 0:00 5 swings, 0:30 5 swings, 1:00 5 swings, 1:30 5 swings, 3:00 5 power pushups, 3:30 5 power pushups, 4:00 5 power pushups, 4:30 5 power pushups, 6:00 5 swings, 6:30 5 swings, ....
Option 2: 0:00 10 Swings, 1:00 10 Swings, 3:00 10 power pushups, 4:00 10 power pushups, 6:00 10 Swings, 7:00 10 Swings, ...
-session volumes can be 40, 60, 80 or 100 reps for swings and power pushups each
-you use a d6 to determine what your training session looks like (volume, reps, exercises vary)
The "Snatch" program
-train 2-3 times per week
-left and right handed snatches are treated as different events
-do a series of 20 reps for each; either 2 sets of 10 or 4 sets of 5
-rest 30secs between sets of 5 and 1 full minute between sets of 10
-start a new series every 4 minutes alternating between left and right hand
Option 1: 0:00 5 left, 0:30 5 left, 1:00 5 left, 1:30 5 left, 4:00 5 right, 4:30 5 right, 5:00 5 right, 5:30 5 right, 8:00 5 left, 8:30 5 left, ...
Option 2: 0:00 10 left, 1:00 10 left, 4:00 10 right, 5:00 10 right, 8:00 10 left, 9:00 10 left, ...
-session volumes can be 40, 60, 80 or 100 reps for swings and power pushups each
-you use a d6 to determine what your training session looks like (volume and reps vary)
Thanks! I'm looking forward to reading it but this is a helpful summary. The physiology looks interesting from what I've skimmed through
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Jake Steinmann
Total Posts: 313
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08-08-19 11:15 AM - Post#885877
It's a pass for me. Seems like the direction for Strong First has been short bursts, aerobic heart rate, repeated for many minutes. This type of training has been covered previously in books elsewhere. For instance, Ultimate MMA conditioning by Joel Jamieson, and Joel is pretty clear that he didn't strictly speaking invent a lot of his stuff, but refined older knowledge.
Heck a lot of kettlebell workouts from Dan's HKC challenge done at a reasonable intensity or with a heart rate monitor feel similar to this style training to me. Slap a heart rate monitor on, rest when things spike, and there you go.
For me as well. I was half interested in it, and frankly, the combination of the less than smooth release and the general attitude of some of the SFG "leadership" convinced me that my limited funds are better spent elsewhere.
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12bernd
Total Posts: 176
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Thanks! I'm looking forward to reading it but this is a helpful summary. The physiology looks interesting from what I've skimmed through
Yeah, I think the idea behind this type of training is great and I think Pavel did a good job explaining the science behind it. But of course 90% of the supposed benefits of this type of training are only based on vague references to bits and pieces of exercise science.
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12bernd
Total Posts: 176
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08-08-19 11:18 AM - Post#885879
It's a pass for me. Seems like the direction for Strong First has been short bursts, aerobic heart rate, repeated for many minutes. This type of training has been covered previously in books elsewhere. For instance, Ultimate MMA conditioning by Joel Jamieson, and Joel is pretty clear that he didn't strictly speaking invent a lot of his stuff, but refined older knowledge.
Heck a lot of kettlebell workouts from Dan's HKC challenge done at a reasonable intensity or with a heart rate monitor feel similar to this style training to me. Slap a heart rate monitor on, rest when things spike, and there you go.
For me as well. I was half interested in it, and frankly, the combination of the less than smooth release and the general attitude of some of the SFG "leadership" convinced me that my limited funds are better spent elsewhere.
Well, that's not quite what Q&D is about. You two are probably thinking about the "A+A" protocols that were popular for a while.
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Jake Steinmann
Total Posts: 313
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Well, that's not quite what Q&D is about. You two are probably thinking about the "A+A" protocols that were popular for a while.
My lack of interest is less about whatever specific protocol is outlined in Q&D, and more about SF's handling of the release/the organizational attitude. That said, what I've read about the protocol doesn't spark much interest for me either, so that's not helping their case.
Edited by Jake Steinmann on 08-08-19 11:24 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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DanMartin
Total Posts: 20705
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08-08-19 11:38 AM - Post#885881
All I can say is that I should have copyrighted and trademarked the DMPM. I'm being ripped off here...
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Seward
Total Posts: 195
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08-08-19 12:07 PM - Post#885884
Just read it the other day. I thought the cover design was a joke when I first saw it, but as for the actual content, it was it was well written (and edited -- hi Laree!). His breakdown of energy systems made more sense than anything I've seen or heard on the topic before, and I appreciated the discussion of how the protocols were developed.
Working on my swings and pushups, and planning to give the program a try later in the year.
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Heck
Total Posts: 62
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08-08-19 12:18 PM - Post#885885
My wife also thought the cover was a joke at first glance.
I'm planning on giving it a go as well, perhaps in the old two-week block model. I've always wanted to try that approach, and happening across Dan's Training for Middle Age and Beyond article yesterday reminded me about it.
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iPood
Total Posts: 2360
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I purchased the Kindle version a few days ago and read it a couple of times.
Veredict: meh.
The biochemistry part seems worthy of a deeper read and the program itself is, basically, ten reps of ballistics or five reps of explosive push ups every three minutes, for thirty minutes.
I'm not saying it's not interesting, but I definitely won't be training like that. Not my cup of tea.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
Edited by iPood on 08-08-19 12:53 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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craigb156
Total Posts: 272
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08-08-19 01:48 PM - Post#885891
Read it yesterday, and will certainly be giving it a try once I get my hips happier again. It fits well with both my strength & endurance work, and seems like a very logical approach.
Accept your feelings. Know your purpose. And do what needs to be done.
— Shoma Morita
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BChase
Total Posts: 854
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Hard pass would rather frivolously spend money on my golf game.
Not why I started using kettlebells. I loved the fact you could lift and get your heart rate up at the same time. Not interested in the science.
So many sheep can't figure out how to program. So they stick with Simple and Sinister until their eyes pop out of their heads from boredom or ROP which is a fantastic program until you start getting nicked up by too much volume with 32 kg and higher.
I always thought S + S was a good finisher vs. a stand alone program.
I don't want a program in the summer. Random workouts based on how I feel. I like warm mornings taking a 55 lb. kettlebell to the local high school track. Carry it to and from my car which is 100 yards. Do 10 rounds of 3 presses and squats. Rest 10 seconds, 20 swings, and jog a lap around.
Get a good lather and get on with my day.
Looking forward to the reviews of this with the placebo like WTH gains which is a complete and utter myth. It's either newbie gains, or maybe because it's a new program, you're putting more effort in.
SF is fine, there's too much to worry about in the world vs. their approach to things these days. I know what works for me, I'll stick with it.
Edited by BChase on 08-08-19 04:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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08-08-19 05:31 PM - Post#885902
I lost interest in Strongfirst about a year ago- there is only so much magic I can read about regarding KB swings/tgu's. (prefer cleans and sandbag Tgu) Then there was the secret protocols.. So now it is swings..pushups and snatches? Huge yawn. I'm sure there are legions of Strongfirsters holding the new novel high above their heads...tears streaming down. Hey, if the new book gets people moving- then that has to be good.
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vegpedlr
Total Posts: 1179
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08-08-19 07:08 PM - Post#885908
I’ve followed some of the discussion over at SF. They say it is for advanced trainees only, recommending that only those who have achieved the “Simple†standard follow it.
Any ideas why? I’ll read it onl my own soon anyway, but curious what others think.
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aussieluke
Total Posts: 5439
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08-08-19 07:44 PM - Post#885911
I’ve followed some of the discussion over at SF. They say it is for advanced trainees only, recommending that only those who have achieved the “Simple†standard follow it.
Any ideas why? I’ll read it onl my own soon anyway, but curious what others think.
(Because that way you have to buy TWO books)
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nickbroken
Total Posts: 123
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08-08-19 07:45 PM - Post#885912
I’ve followed some of the discussion over at SF. They say it is for advanced trainees only, recommending that only those who have achieved the “Simple†standard follow it.
Any ideas why? I’ll read it onl my own soon anyway, but curious what others think.
Not sure really. 5 swings 30 seconds rest 5 swings 30 seconds rest 5 swings 30 seconds rest 5 swings 3 minutes rest then do the same with plyo pushups isn't the hardest program. Maybe they mean for someone new to kettlebells.
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aussieluke
Total Posts: 5439
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08-08-19 07:49 PM - Post#885913
Bchase - exactly
Kettlebells are amazing for quick dirty workouts anywhere with no fuss and minimal thought - grab one, do a load of reps of various lifts and be done.
If I wanted to spend an hour doing very few sets with long rests in between, I’d spend my time doing a serious barbell strength program instead.
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Kyle Aaron
Total Posts: 1911
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08-08-19 08:32 PM - Post#885914
Is there an appendix detailing how many people have tried this and the results they've got?
How many did this programme before the book was written and released?
Who was the last person the authour trained? I don't mean at a weekend seminar, I mean ongoing? If so, what sort of person do they tend to train?
These are the questions you must ask the next time you look at a fitness book. The answers will tell you how much attention to pay to it. In this case, the answers are: no, none, and... decades ago.
A PTI for Soviet Spetznaz, his bio says. The Soviet Union ceased to exist when he was 21. We all puff up our resumes, but some are inflated to bursting.
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Silverback61
Total Posts: 1834
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08-08-19 09:51 PM - Post#885915
I have always been a Pavel fan, but he has already written his best stuff.
It Is Better To Be Stronger Than You Look, Than Look Stronger Than You Are
My Weights Are In Freedom Units
DEADLIFTS RULE!!
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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08-09-19 04:32 AM - Post#885922
To be fair, Chairman Tsatsouline has access to ancient and secret Russian manuscripts- faith is required. Cough, Cough.
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Silverback61
Total Posts: 1834
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08-09-19 08:13 AM - Post#885923
To be fair, Chairman Tsatsouline has access to ancient and secret Russian manuscripts- faith is required. Cough, Cough.
You have the winning post... Comrade.
It Is Better To Be Stronger Than You Look, Than Look Stronger Than You Are
My Weights Are In Freedom Units
DEADLIFTS RULE!!
=[[[[[[--------]]]]]]= |
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Chris Rice
Total Posts: 702
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There's always a new group of young people new to training willing to buy the latest program - not just from Pavel but all the "Gurus"
Edited by Chris Rice on 08-09-19 08:41 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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vegpedlr
Total Posts: 1179
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08-09-19 10:54 AM - Post#885932
The Party is always Right.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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I had a look at the cover....I must say, "Chairman, the 1980's called, they love the cover!"
Kidding aside- he should have kept the TGU. But with a sandbag- My go-to minimalist day is sandbag shouldering with sandbag TGU's. Looks like The Chairman's new book is selling well (why do the Strongsters's refer to him as The Chairman? Wasn't that Frank Sinatra?). I might check into the SF forum to read the effusive praise being lavished on the latest opus.
Oh no- I may have to buy the kindle book- apparently he discusses fasting and there is a good section on mitochondria. But will I learn anything that I don't already know?
Edited by Kiwi5 on 08-09-19 01:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Old Miler
Total Posts: 1744
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I don't expect to find anything really new or life-changing in a Pavel book (at least, not for someone who never really stuck to a KB program well enough to judge it against other programs). But I find his writing style enjoyable - always precise language and wry humour. So, I got it and am halfway through. I may change my views later...
Nice plausible arguments on the energy stuff, although anyone can make arguments, and only years of experience will tell. I 'buy' all the stuff about set and rep duration and power output, and he does point out that people have done this out running long before he came up with his KB protocol.
I read it as a kettlebell equivalent of this:...
1. 10 second hill sprints with near-max power output (athletes have done this for years).
2. At least 3 minutes rest (coaches have said this to athletes for years, frequently ignore).
3. Go home before you're tired and quality drops off.
Steve Magness (coach at Nike) used to make his athletes throw rocks at a tree, just to stop them haring into the next rep too soon. But hell, why not do some fast pushups in between?
I might well play with the above, because I don't always have a kettlebell to hand, and I can do it anywhere. I'm also having to limit running mileage due to hard surfaces and heat for the next 3-4 weeks.
All that makes total sense. Of course he needs to make it KB-related and for his world of KB acolytes, his choices (swing + pushup) sound sensible.
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Dan John
Total Posts: 12292
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08-09-19 05:35 PM - Post#885946
Steve teaches with me at St. Mary's. Great man. I can't believe people who want cardio or endurance don't listen to guys like Steve versus the online clown show.
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you |
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Old Miler
Total Posts: 1744
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08-09-19 07:21 PM - Post#885953
Steve teaches with me at St. Mary's. Great man. I can't believe people who want cardio or endurance don't listen to guys like Steve versus the online clown show.
Steve’s in the UK? Wow. Worlds collide! St Marys has become a real powerhouse.
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Ville
Total Posts: 2770
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08-10-19 12:03 PM - Post#885985
All I can say is that I should have copyrighted and trademarked the DMPM. I'm being ripped off here...
You can't complain, Dan. People did ask you to write a book about it... You can still do it!
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iPood
Total Posts: 2360
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08-10-19 01:11 PM - Post#885988
All I can say is that I should have copyrighted and trademarked the DMPM. I'm being ripped off here...
You can't complain, Dan. People did ask you to write a book about it... You can still do it!
I've been nagging him about this... for years!
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
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Old Miler
Total Posts: 1744
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08-10-19 02:07 PM - Post#885992
Finished the book. Tried the workout once.
To be honest it should have been an article, not a book. The last few chapters just repeat and sum up what he said earlier. But I don’t mind paying £10.
I’m not good enough at swings to be sure I put in the requisite power output, but...a bunch of 5-second sprint-type efforts undoubtedly perked me up and left me feeling great, in minimal time, without needing to change or shower.
Like Easy Strength, I think it’s probably a good complement to steady running and other volume endurance exercises. I ran fairly hard this morning, and feel much better now (energised, also loose and mobile) than if I’d just rested.
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Adam Mundorf
Total Posts: 43
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08-10-19 02:26 PM - Post#885993
That was a great part of the Tim Ferriss podcast.
Tim Ferriss: No, of course. And what would people – what would you suggest they Google or search for to learn more about this?
Pavel Tsatsouline: Nothing, I’m afraid.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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08-10-19 05:48 PM - Post#886001
I googled what the power push up is- I thought it was a plyo push up. It is just the standard push up with progressions to banded.
I've graduated onto full stop push ups these days.- with push up handles to keep my wrists straight- and a yoga block to briefly rest my chest on. I prefer full stop push ups over the old military standard- I think the US military has moved to full stops as the PT standard..
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Jake Steinmann
Total Posts: 313
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08-10-19 05:53 PM - Post#886002
That was a great part of the Tim Ferriss podcast.
Tim Ferriss: No, of course. And what would people – what would you suggest they Google or search for to learn more about this?
Pavel Tsatsouline: Nothing, I’m afraid.
What is “this†in the context of the conversation
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Dan John
Total Posts: 12292
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08-10-19 06:21 PM - Post#886004
You get what you pay for if you think there are secrets to strength...
Endurance...
I still can't get people to read Delorme...or even Keys to Progress...
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you |
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Kyle Aaron
Total Posts: 1911
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08-10-19 07:10 PM - Post#886005
I still can't get people to read Delorme...or even Keys to Progress...
To be fair, they are out of print.
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Dan John
Total Posts: 12292
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08-10-19 07:18 PM - Post#886006
https://superstrengthtrai ning.com/delorme-watkins
Still a classic.
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you |
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Dan John
Total Posts: 12292
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08-10-19 07:20 PM - Post#886007
https://superstrengthtrai ning.com/complete-keys-to-prog ress-john-mccallum
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you |
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DanMartin
Total Posts: 20705
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08-10-19 07:53 PM - Post#886008
I still can't get people to read Delorme...or even Keys to Progress...
To be fair, they are out of print.
Keys to Progress is available from IronMind and Kindle.
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DanMartin
Total Posts: 20705
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08-10-19 07:58 PM - Post#886009
You get what you pay for if you think there are secrets to strength...
Endurance...
I still can't get people to read Delorme...or even Keys to Progress...
That is the same way I feel about “The Strongest Shall Survive.†Between those three and “Never Let Go†you really don’t need anything else. But, the Coyote Point pdf is the best bargain out there.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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Fantastic links! Thankyou. I've ordered the deLorme Watkins book. I had never visited (or heard of) Bill's site before. (waiting to hear how much it costs to send to NZ! It will be worth it. I'm a bit over kindle books)
Edited by Kiwi5 on 08-10-19 08:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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aussieluke
Total Posts: 5439
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08-11-19 02:01 AM - Post#886013
To be honest it should have been an article, not a book.
This is exactly how I felt after buying and reading S&S too
...all that for one single plan that you must do as written otherwise you won’t get the WTH effects blah blah
In essence you don’t know what the secret plan is until you buy the book. If it turns out the secret plan is not for you, you’ve wasted your money.
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iPood
Total Posts: 2360
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08-11-19 03:07 AM - Post#886014
You get what you pay for if you think there are secrets to strength...
Endurance...
I still can't get people to read Delorme...or even Keys to Progress...
That is the same way I feel about “The Strongest Shall Survive.†Between those three and “Never Let Go†you really don’t need anything else. But, the Coyote Point pdf is the best bargain out there.
I kind of disagree. Intervention is all I would ever need.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
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iPood
Total Posts: 2360
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To be honest it should have been an article, not a book.
This is exactly how I felt after buying and reading S&S too
...all that for one single plan that you must do as written otherwise you won’t get the WTH effects blah blah
In essence you don’t know what the secret plan is until you buy the book. If it turns out the secret plan is not for you, you’ve wasted your money.
Well, I didn't mind paying for the e-book. Even if it's not my cup of tea, I still think it's fair to compensate the time and effort invested in doing it.
And, while I wouldn't have minded paying for an article instead of a book, most people would object.
We are kind of spoiled by Dan, who got us used to receive so much for free (thank you, Dan, by the way). For the most of us, this is a hobby, and we tend to forget (quite too often) that this is how many people make their living.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
Edited by iPood on 08-11-19 04:42 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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D Berta
Total Posts: 141
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Well, I didn't mind paying for the e-book. Even if it's not my cup of tea, I still think it's fair to compensate the time and effort invested in doing it.
And, while I wouldn't have minded paying for an article instead of a book, most people would object.
We are kind of spoiled by Dan, who got us used to receive so much for free (thank you, Dan, by the way). For the most of us, this is a hobby, and we tend to forget (quite too often) that this is how many people make their living.
Agree, people taking time to write ebooks is valuable. It is good that Pavel keeps refreshing his content. I think that seeing the line of evolution over the years can be instructive on what ideas have really stuck in training.
In my case, this just isn't making to the top of my reading list right now. I have other books that cover similar ideas and I am not looking to incorporate it into my training.
Hope someone tries it out and reports back.
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Hellequin
Total Posts: 58
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08-11-19 09:06 AM - Post#886023
I read almost all the Pavel books and all books from Dan as well. So I am not a Pavel fanboy over a DJ fanboy. I love the work of both gentlemen.
I have to say the new book is good. It's well written and the program sounds reasonable. It leaves you with a lot of time for additional stuff. I don't know why everybody tries to be a bigger Pavel-basher, but time will show if people have success with this kind of training. I love to do workouts like this and be ready for my life after training without being totally burned down. It sounds much like a park bench program what can be maintained during the year. I did 3 of those workouts so far and loved them.
The kindle is very cheap and totally affordable for almost everyone. The release date disaster was terrible, but that's now done.
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08-11-19 09:36 AM - Post#886025
What's the goal of the program? What does it claim to do?
| Owen Brown, a Biomedical Scientist from Pontyclun, Wales. |
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