jp92
Total Posts: 650
|
06-25-19 05:35 PM - Post#883904
Dave wrote about pullovers in this Q&A recently: Link
Coincidentally I found this article on the compound exercise "Pullover and Press" on the internet from an old issue of Strength and Health magazine.
You can enlarge it by right-clicking on the image and opening it in a new window to read.
(One caveat that allowed safer performance of this exercise was older style benches were closer to the floor than those available in modern gyms):
|
Laree
Total Posts: 26002
Country: Z
Show User Page
(Blog, Gallery, Shoutbox & Buddies etc...): No
Last Login IP: 162.158.63.64
Last Online: 06-15-23
User ID: 3
Login Name: ldraper
Date Agreed to Rules: 12-09-10
Country: Z
Occupation: Website work
info_have_been_training_since: 12-31-79
Primary Training Purpose: Fitness and strength beats aging badly
Real Email Address: ld@davedraper.com
Homepage: davedraper.com
(Rhymes with Marie)
Full name: Laree Draper
Gender: female
|
06-25-19 09:44 PM - Post#883914
I rarely saw Dave do a workout that didn’t have pullovers somewhere in the mix.
|
Henry
Total Posts: 1461
|
06-26-19 07:40 AM - Post#883929
I alway's do DB pull-overs before my DB bench press.
"Go Henry - Live, lift, learn and grow - Never quit - Dave Draper" |
|
Diablo
Total Posts: 7355
|
06-26-19 06:20 PM - Post#883970
Totally makes sense for shoulder mobility, all other awesomeness, aside.
I alway's do DB pull-overs before my DB bench press.
Diablo
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth- MT |
|
TheManFromTaco
Total Posts: 798
|
06-27-19 06:49 PM - Post#884022
It's hard for me to imagine trying to do a pullover with the amount of weight shown in those photos.
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
06-27-19 08:08 PM - Post#884027
Oh Yeah! Steve Stanko was one strong dude.
Check out the bench in the bottom photo.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
|
Diablo
Total Posts: 7355
|
06-27-19 08:15 PM - Post#884029
Wood-pile art you mean
Diablo
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth- MT |
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
06-28-19 04:18 PM - Post#884074
Big weights on a small bench. It's a rarity nowadays.
Love it! The equipment ain't the main thing.
It's the person using it. Yes!
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
|
LeePinac
Total Posts: 687
|
06-28-19 09:56 PM - Post#884085
It's hard for me to imagine trying to do a pullover with the amount of weight shown in those photos.
Steve Stanko was a beast before he started focusing on pullovers. Attack them just like any other movement, one bite at a time, like eating a sandwich.
|
Henry
Total Posts: 1461
|
06-29-19 06:44 AM - Post#884093
Check out the bench in the bottom photo.
The 1st Gym I went to in mid '60's Salford UK had benches made from wood in an old factory building.
"Go Henry - Live, lift, learn and grow - Never quit - Dave Draper" |
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
Hello Henry!
The first bench I had was pretty cool and I had so much fun using it. Actually it was a home made ab board in my Dad's garage on a couple of Coke crates I pinched from the pop trucking place a block away one night.
Stapled some leftover leatherette (remember that? or was it naugahyde? Car coat? Remember them?), onto pieces of foam I found in that garage. Hopefully it wasn't some sort of asbestos danger-foam or something, but I guess not 'cause I'm still alive, breathing and wheezing with joy.
Used it as an ab slant board by nailing some wood between the joists and just sticking the thing on 'em at different angles of intensity. An old belt at the top to hold myself down with. And to hang on to when doing leg raises the Sergio way without touching feet to ground between reps. Little did I know it was actually the Chuck Sipes way, but mags were scarce, eh.
No stands, um, squat stands to use at that point, so benching was clean and sit. Wonderful! No less important than the biggest bestest piece of gear in the most expensive gym I'll ever lay eyes on.
It might be important to take that joy, carry that high of enjoyment with us no matter what equipment we're lying on.
Laying on?
Praying on?
All of the above!
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
Edited by Neander on 06-29-19 11:24 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
Henry
Total Posts: 1461
|
Stapled some leftover leatherette (remember that? or was it naugahyde?
Ha ha Naugahyde: An American brand introduced by Uniroyal. My dad had a handbag factory using imitation leathers and snakeskin.
"Go Henry - Live, lift, learn and grow - Never quit - Dave Draper" |
|
Richard Sanchez
Total Posts: 4023
|
06-30-19 07:24 PM - Post#884137
Nice exercise.
The French Press and the dumbell pullover are great. I like to do dumbbell pullovers with my my feet lifted in the air in order to ensure my back stays flat plus it helps with balance. Thanks.
Rick
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
Ha ha Naugahyde: An American brand introduced by Uniroyal. My dad had a handbag factory using imitation leathers and snakeskin.
The stuff had its own unique way of wrinkling like nothing else. But there's some form of weird beauty in pretty much everything, I guess.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
Edited by Neander on 06-30-19 09:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
For sure!
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
Edited by Neander on 06-30-19 09:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
Diablo
Total Posts: 7355
|
You use that to do your french presses with? Or you keep your maple syrup in for pancakes? LOL
I think I'd prefer raw wood over the plastic stuffs. Once the splinters are gone anyhow.
Anyone else get buggy elbows from doing the french press?
Ha ha Naugahyde: An American brand introduced by Uniroyal. My dad had a handbag factory using imitation leathers and snakeskin.
The stuff had its own unique way of wrinkling like nothing else. But there's some form of weird beauty in pretty much everything, I guess.
Diablo
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth- MT |
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
You use that to do your french presses with? Or you keep your maple syrup in for pancakes?
I think I'd prefer raw wood over the plastic stuffs. Once the splinters are gone anyhow.
The True Canadian will grow a Maple tree and coerce the shape of a flat bench out of it. Still living, once his workout's over a handy tap on one of the legs will dole out servings of maple syrup for the post workout meal.
Anyone else get buggy elbows from doing the french press?
Oh yeah. Lying extensions do that to me especially fast. The overhead ones not so soon. Oddly enough pressdowns, no matter how heavy or how low the reps just don't give me trouble.
Go figure, eh.
BUT . . . I've never done French Canadian Presses.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
Edited by Neander on 07-01-19 08:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
jp92
Total Posts: 650
|
Steve Stanko (York Barbell) was the first lifter to total over 1000 pounds in the (then) three lifts. He went on to win Mr America and Mr Universe.
He was also capable of performing three one-arm chins, which is exceptional at any weight but for someone over 200 plus pounds that is phenomenal.
Right click and open in a new tab to see more clearly:
    
Josh (IOL member Man from Taco) posted Steve Stanko's arm training routine on his blog at this:
Link
Dale has a few articles on his Ditillo2 blog:
Link
Link
Link
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
Bill Starr:
"Steve Stanko told me that there was only a flat bench in the small room where he trained in Perth Amboy, New Jersey, before moving to York, Pennsylvania. So in order to do bench presses, he had to lie on the bench and pull the bar from the floor up over his head and place it on his chest (pullover). After he finished his set, he would lower the bar as carefully as he could back to the floor. He credited that movement with his exceptional upper-body strength."
It's got a strange but beautiful way of working out sometimes, this life deal, doesn't it! For Stanko in this case, lacking something turned into gaining something of even more value. Of course, the main thing is the fact that, no matter his equipment in that earlier gym, he worked hard with what he had.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
Edited by Neander on 08-03-19 04:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
jp92
Total Posts: 650
|
Bill Starr:
...
It's got a strange but beautiful way of working out sometimes, this life deal, doesn't it! For Stanko in this case, lacking something turned into gaining something of even more value. Of course, the main thing is the fact that, no matter his equipment in that earlier gym, he worked hard with what he had.
I think the lack of options in equipment (and minimal sources of training information - providing it is sound) is actually a real advantage as it forces the trainee to focus on the key fundamental of resistance training, namely it being progressive.
Relatedly, your latest blogpost on squatting mentioned you had not saved the photo of Peary Rader. Is this the one you were thinking of?
|
Neander
Total Posts: 7755
|
08-08-19 12:07 AM - Post#885861
YES! That's the photo of Peary Rader I was after.
Thanks again!!! Much appreciated.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.
|
|
Attachment: 
