Chris Rice
Total Posts: 702
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01-30-20 09:54 AM - Post#893360
You pick your "Guru" - you spend your money - you do the program - if it works it works - if not then pick another Guru - or another program - or maybe figure this out yourself as to what works for your goals.Some of the best programs put out by the best gurus are not going to be the one for "you".
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BrianBinVA
Total Posts: 5140
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01-30-20 11:03 AM - Post#893369
A wise man once said that people over-adapt every fitness trend in the short term and under-adapt over the long term. I think Pavel is a great example of this. At the beginning of his career, many people thought he was practically curing cancer. Now, many of the same people think he's a conman.
In fact, neither is true. Pavel is doing what he's always done - he uses colourful language, modern marketing techniques and a fanboy forum to sell minimalist programs, which will get ordinary people fitter and stronger with a low risk of hurting themselves. There are, of course, other ways of getting fit and strong. Some of them will be better for your goals, some of them will be worse. Many of them will have a different place on the risk/reward spectrum. YMMV!
Well said, Rupert.
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NJRick
Total Posts: 47
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01-30-20 02:03 PM - Post#893381
A wise man once said that people over-adapt every fitness trend in the short term and under-adapt over the long term. I think Pavel is a great example of this. At the beginning of his career, many people thought he was practically curing cancer. Now, many of the same people think he's a conman.
In fact, neither is true. Pavel is doing what he's always done - he uses colourful language, modern marketing techniques and a fanboy forum to sell minimalist programs, which will get ordinary people fitter and stronger with a low risk of hurting themselves. There are, of course, other ways of getting fit and strong. Some of them will be better for your goals, some of them will be worse. Many of them will have a different place on the risk/reward spectrum. YMMV!
Well said, Rupert.
Well said. This thread has convinced me to switch out S&S for Easy Strength and the DMPM, I'm looking forward to the change!
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TRBeck
Total Posts: 28
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01-30-20 02:15 PM - Post#893382
2013-2014 I attempted S&S as a supplement, not as a standalone program. I was running a lot of miles and did S&S post-run 3 days a week. I used an 16kg bell for TGUs initially and 18kg for the swings, eventually bumping those to 18 and 24kg respectively. I kept at it for 5 months and never really progressed like I thought I should when using the prescribed rest periods. Once I increased rest, I was able to manage a bit better with TGUs, but I still felt as though I was hurrying an exercise that ought to be done the right way or not at all.
While the program certainly helped me feel like I was doing *something* strengthwise when piling up miles, it never got to be all that enjoyable. That said, doing TGUs so frequently did make them comfortable, which had never been true before (and rarely since).
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ns182
Total Posts: 14
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04-10-20 11:55 PM - Post#896740
We should cheer on those looking for progress. Some temperaments thrive on routine and love S&S. A friend has done it for a few years and it has treated him great. I physically thrived on it & at meeting the Simple standard felt great, had improved athleticism and a few WTHEs (first OAPU, easy pistols). I was no world class athlete prior but @ 40yo had a bw press, 2.5bw deadlift & had run a 1/2 marathon so i was no couch potato. My temperament thrives on variety and problem solving though, so mentally it was tough. I started making my own "same but different" sessions. Instead of always goblets, 1 swings and tgus, I'd rotate different squat variations, snatches & cleans with swings, other pushes etc. I basically went back to another version of squat hinge push pull carry. S&S or DMPM is a good foundation... Many will never need anything more. Others may want ROP, MMS, Q&D or other bus benches, but having the ability to be good at goblets, swings and get ups is not a bad foundation. Relax, it's not that bad guys...
From Dan John:
Exercise for Fat Loss?
“Swings, goblet squats and Turkish get-ups.”
Elderly clients?
“Swings, goblet squats and Turkish get-ups.”
Travel related issues for elite athletes and collision occupations?
“Swings, goblet squats and Turkish get-ups.”
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Kyle Aaron
Total Posts: 1911
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04-10-20 11:59 PM - Post#896741
Not too different to "squat for fahves."
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iPood
Total Posts: 2360
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04-11-20 05:15 AM - Post#896745
Not too different to "squat for fahves."
With a healthy dose of hip drahve on top?
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."
Dan Martin |
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GeoffreyLevens
Total Posts: 357
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04-11-20 10:48 AM - Post#896754
I kept at it for 5 months and never really progressed like I thought I should when using the prescribed rest periods. Once I increased rest, I was able to manage a bit better with TGUs, but I still felt as though I was hurrying an exercise that ought to be done the right way or not at all.
I did S&S for over a year, maybe 18 months. Been quite awhile but pretty sure that the "prescribed rest periods" are until you feel fully ready to go again. Based on your physiology and self-monitoring/self-awar eness almost all the time. The only time you use a stop watch is for the occasional (every few weeks) test to see if you are ready to add weight. As you get stronger and more fit, the self-monitored rest periods should spontaneously, gradually get shorter. That is how I did it and how it worked for me. Should say, worked to the extent that it worked.
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Justin Jordan
Total Posts: 854
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04-11-20 01:10 PM - Post#896758
Dan will be very pleased his favorite thread is back
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Dan John
Total Posts: 12292
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04-11-20 02:41 PM - Post#896769
Too bad it wasn't lunges and heavy TGUs then I can really help people with it.
Daniel John
Just handing down what I was handed down...
Make a Difference.
Live. Love. Laugh.
Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude)
Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk.
Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth.
Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
Reread great books. Say thank you |
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Pepper
Total Posts: 296
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04-11-20 05:23 PM - Post#896779
So you say we should start lunging in the kneeling position of a heavy get up. Got ya.
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Kiwi5
Total Posts: 264
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 04-11-20 06:07 PM - Post#896781
I thought lunges were bad...
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BChase
Total Posts: 854
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The good news are those stupid pictures with the guys with the facemasks on doing kettlebells aren't so ridiculous looking anymore.
I can't believe no one has ever mentioned achieving simple doing bottoms up TGU's. You haven't experienced the full fun of heavy TGU"s unless you've used a barbell. Good times.
Edited by BChase on 04-12-20 07:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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