The Judge
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01-17-23 09:04 PM - Post#924346
Hey, Merv! Thanks for the kind words. Always good to hear from old friends.
Judge John
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The Judge
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01-17-23 09:08 PM - Post#924347
Well, two days ago, I stopped all pain meds. I stopped the Oxycondone after one day. I started a combo of Aleve and Tylenol three times a day. Then cut back to two times a day. Then I cut out the Tylenol. A couple of days ago, I stopped the Aleve, and now I am not taking anything.
The pain is there, but I can tolerate it. I use the ice machine twice daily and do my home PT every day. Tomorrow, I will go to the PT. Yes, it's a long road ahead, but I am taking it one day at a time.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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brucedl
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01-17-23 11:04 PM - Post#924350
Your a smart man, keep a close eye on your PT and make sure they are giving you the best treatment.
My best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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JDII
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01-18-23 05:52 AM - Post#924351
Very smart move John. Good luck on that road to recovery, you'll do amazing!
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The Judge
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01-18-23 09:11 PM - Post#924365
Very smart move John. Good luck on that road to recovery, you'll do amazing!
Thanks, JD! Today was a setback. I woke up in much more pain and then went to the PT. The therapist said my progress was "amazing". LOL!!! Amazingly painful today. I guess we overdid it. I am icing it right now and the pain is less than earlier. Back to the PT on Friday. Hopefully, tomorrow will be a bit less painful.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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The Judge
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01-23-23 05:03 PM - Post#924453
Your a smart man, keep a close eye on your PT and make sure they are giving you the best treatment.
My best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Thank you, Bruce! I am very impressed with my therapist and the assistants. They push just enough to keep improving without injuring me. Of course, afterward, there is increased pain just like when we train hard.
Today was pretty good. It seems like I feel a bit better after my home PT. I used the ice machine 2 to 3 times per day for a long time each time. It really helps. No painkillers! Unless the pain is awesome, I can handle it.
Tomorrow is my PT appointment, and Wednesday is my follow-up appointment with the surgeon. Looking forward to telling how the communication with his office SUCKS!
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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The Judge
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01-26-23 06:15 PM - Post#924510
Yesterday I had my post-op appointment with the surgeon. He was amazed at my progress and the amount of movement I had. My pain is still there for sure, but I can tolerate it. He told me that people can't drive for about eight weeks, but I could drive now - it's been four weeks. I am thrilled, and so is Marie! LOL! He said that there would be a limit to my range of motion that will be permanent. I didn't tell him, but I don't accept that. We'll see.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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01-26-23 08:15 PM - Post#924512
Good news!
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Gunvald
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oh yeah! 01-27-23 07:08 AM - Post#924519
Yesterday I had my post-op appointment with the surgeon. He was amazed at my progress and the amount of movement I had. My pain is still there for sure, but I can tolerate it. He told me that people can't drive for about eight weeks, but I could drive now - it's been four weeks. I am thrilled, and so is Marie! LOL! He said that there would be a limit to my range of motion that will be permanent. I didn't tell him, but I don't accept that. We'll see.
That is awesome!
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AAnnunz
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01-27-23 09:08 AM - Post#924522
Youngsters, like you, always heal a lot faster than us old guys.
Needless to say, I am thrilled, John.
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Diablo
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01-27-23 05:49 PM - Post#924525
Great stuff Judgey!
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brucedl
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01-27-23 10:19 PM - Post#924537
I wish you the best in all things and a speedy recovery.
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The Judge
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01-28-23 08:49 PM - Post#924563
Tim, Gunvald, Al, Leo, and Bruce - thanks for your kind words, guys! I really appreciate the feedback.
Yesterday, I had my PT appointment, and I think he pushed too hard. I had a bad afternoon and night yesterday, and today was worse. More pain than I have experienced in weeks. I fought it all day but gave in to Aleve tonight. First pain meds in quite some time. I iced for 3 hours today, and I am icing again tonight. Hopefully, no damage was done, and I'll be a bit better tomorrow.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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pink.pixie
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Hello Judge,
Nice development and a great healing progress, indeed. Thanks for sharing your journey here! So glad to hear from you.
It is easy to overdo it when it all goes well. If you work on the edge then the edge is enough. The trick is of course to know how the edge looks that particular day.
So nice to hear that you are happy with your rehab team.
Smart to take the painkillers when needed and ditch'em when you can manage without.
All the best ....onward. 
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The Judge
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Hello Judge,
Nice development and a great healing progress, indeed. Thanks for sharing your journey here! So glad to hear from you.
It is easy to overdo it when it all goes well. If you work on the edge then the edge is enough. The trick is of course to know how the edge looks that particular day.
So nice to hear that you are happy with your rehab team.
Smart to take the painkillers when needed and ditch'em when you can manage without.
All the best ....onward.
Pink,
I just read about the shutting down of IOL. I feel sad - very - that I will not be in contact any longer with true friends here. I will miss you and many others. Thank you for your words of wisdom and encouragement. Hugs!
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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pink.pixie
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Judge,
Join the mail group that I set up so we can continue to support each other.
(see PM and my log). All training enthusiasts are welcomed.
Nothing can replace IOL but those who want can support each other and continue to grow in the same style like here.
Mail me at:
iolfriends+owner@groups.io
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The Judge
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Judge,
Join the mail group that I set up so we can continue to support each other.
(see PM and my log). All training enthusiasts are welcomed.
Nothing can replace IOL but those who want can support each other and continue to grow in the same style like here.
Mail me at:
iolfriends+owner@groups.io
Done. Thanks!
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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Volumiza
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02-05-23 04:20 PM - Post#924683
Very sad news about the site John, I’ve been on a bit of an adventure the last few years and have once again found the gym.
Saying that, I just want to say that I have loved reading your logs and how you’ve inspired so many on here. I wish you a happy life and good health.
Take care,
Spencer.
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The Judge
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02-06-23 11:56 AM - Post#924706
Hi Spencer! You and others who would post on my log have become part of my distant friendships and the main reason I will miss IOL so much. It's sad to realize that I will permanently lose contact with people such as yourself. I hope that Pink Pixie's email offer will be an avenue for many of us to stay in touch.
Stay well, my friend, keep training, and as Dave would say, "Godspeed."
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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AussieMerv
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02-07-23 08:14 PM - Post#924723
Having also been MIA for some time I started catching up on your log from a page or so back. Was going to comment on a couple of treatments you mentioned only to find that you've now had surgery.
The reverse shoulder replacement sounds very much like what my neighbor had done recently. I watched some videos of the procedure. Wishing you all the best with your rehab and recovery.
Hi John, Last week I met up with my neighbor and confirmed the surgery he'd had to be reverse shoulder replacement, the same as yours.
He appears to have had a great recovery, demonstrating his excellent range of motion including reaching around fairly high up his back which has surprised the surgeon... he's a personal trainer so I guess he's got good reason to make it work. It has been a bit over a year now, and he's back riding is mountain bike, using a chainsaw etc.
All the best with your rehab.
"Aging without intense opposition is forbidden" ~ DD
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The Judge
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02-07-23 10:32 PM - Post#924724
Having also been MIA for some time I started catching up on your log from a page or so back. Was going to comment on a couple of treatments you mentioned only to find that you've now had surgery.
The reverse shoulder replacement sounds very much like what my neighbor had done recently. I watched some videos of the procedure. Wishing you all the best with your rehab and recovery.
Hi John, Last week I met up with my neighbor and confirmed the surgery he'd had to be reverse shoulder replacement, the same as yours.
He appears to have had a great recovery, demonstrating his excellent range of motion including reaching around fairly high up his back which has surprised the surgeon... he's a personal trainer so I guess he's got good reason to make it work. It has been a bit over a year now, and he's back riding is mountain bike, using a chainsaw etc.
All the best with your rehab.
Thanks, Merv! It's great to hear success stories. Actually, I am more concerned about the tenodesis. My bicep tendon was cut, and he drilled a hole in the bone and reattached it. I am hoping I will sometime be able to resume normal bicep training.
This may be one of the last times we are in contact. It's been great communicating with you here. Wishing you all the best, my friend.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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Wicked Willie
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02-08-23 09:30 PM - Post#924741
Judge:
Downside of your bicep reattachment...you may not be able to reach full extension.
Upside is that this slightly shortened range of motion will keep tension on whatever you're working. Dave Spector (Iron Man in the late 70s, I think) had this happen from a car accident. So did Frank Richards. Both adjusted their training and still made great gains.
Wicked Willie
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The Judge
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02-09-23 12:23 PM - Post#924754
Judge:
Downside of your bicep reattachment...you may not be able to reach full extension.
Upside is that this slightly shortened range of motion will keep tension on whatever you're working. Dave Spector (Iron Man in the late 70s, I think) had this happen from a car accident. So did Frank Richards. Both adjusted their training and still made great gains.
Wicked Willie
wpeel@ufl.edu
Wicked,
Fortunately, I seem to have a full range of bicep motion already. I would guess that if too much of the tendon had to be cut off, the remaining tendon would be too short to extend the arm fully. The tendon was painful for the first couple of weeks, but now, it's fine. The PT said it would take about six weeks for the new attachment to take hold in the bone. I am now six weeks out.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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The Judge
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02-28-23 08:00 PM - Post#924979
If there are any IOL'er's out there who would like to stay in touch, please consider joining Pink Pixie's email list and/or connect with me on my Facebook page - John Scirica. Goodbye, all.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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AussieMerv
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02-28-23 10:01 PM - Post#924983
Thank you John for our time here 'training together'... good times and happy memories.
I regard it as a privilege to have made so many good friends, many I'll never meet and just a few that I have... and above all, to have been guests at the Drapers place.
"Aging without intense opposition is forbidden" ~ DD
My Training Log
Year-end Challenge 07-12
"EVERY DAY IS A WHOLE BODY DAY" ~ DJ
"EVERYTHING IS LIGHT AFTER LIFTING SEVERAL TONS OF IRON" ~ DD
"The best way to never worry about getting into shape is to never get out of shape" ~ Zabo
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The Judge
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04-13-23 06:15 PM - Post#925138
Thank you John for our time here 'training together'... good times and happy memories.
I regard it as a privilege to have made so many good friends, many I'll never meet and just a few that I have... and above all, to have been guests at the Drapers place.
Likewise, Merv! I so enjoyed having made friends with people around the world.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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The Judge
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04-13-23 06:18 PM - Post#925139
I am excited to state that I may be going back to the gym in a couple of weeks! It's been a LONG 8 months - one of my longest, if not the longest, breaks in my lifetime. The PT therapist and my surgeon both said I could go back by the end of the month if I felt ok. I feel ready. Of course, "normal" training will be off limits for now, but I am coming back!
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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Silverback61
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04-13-23 09:18 PM - Post#925140
That's great news! Best of luck.
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Steve Rogers
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04-14-23 08:59 AM - Post#925142
All the best!
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brucedl
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Can’t keep a good man down! Ease in and be greater than ever!
Edited by brucedl on 04-14-23 05:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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The Judge
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04-16-23 05:47 PM - Post#925149
Thanks, guys! I had a great day at PT on Friday and today (Sunday) my shoulder feels the best yet. I am thinking of heading over to the gym on Tuesday to rejoin and maybe get back there in another week.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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pink.pixie
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04-19-23 05:47 AM - Post#925154
Great news, Judge.
Perhaps, do not unleash all your ambition at once.
Is this IOL forum closed or not?
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The Judge
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04-21-23 11:06 AM - Post#925161
I am thinking of going to they gym today after PT and rejoining. Maybe yes, maybe no.
Pixie, I don't know the answer to that. I check here once in a while and it seems like it's still functioning, but with less participation.
Is there hope that IOL could survive?
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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brucedl
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The Judge
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04-22-23 08:09 PM - Post#925164
Hope springs eternal…
Yes, Bruce, I, too, am hoping.
I went to the gym, but the manager wasn't there, and the saleswoman was new and didn't know what to do with me. So, I'll try again next week.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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pink.pixie
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Pixie, I don't know the answer to that. I check here once in a while and it seems like it's still functioning, but with less participation.
Is there hope that IOL could survive?
Well, there was a message at the beginning of the year that the forum will be closed by certain date, then it closed earlier but was reopened and there were no further announcements other than the one message on the top of the page that says the forum is closed... but evidently it is not.
If that is not confusing I do not know what is. Such is life. Who knows.
Maybe they work behind the scene and the function is open as long as the web address is payed for... 'IT' is a complicated thing nowadays and all costs money. I will not speculate.
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The Judge
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05-10-23 04:32 PM - Post#925196
I am excited to say that I signed up at the gym and will, hopefully, workout on Friday. My therapist feels I am ready to train, although I have to go slow and light. I have had some knee pain lately, so I may work legs on Friday and maybe a little upper body.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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Gunvald
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05-12-23 07:18 AM - Post#925200
Great to hear! How did it go?
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AAnnunz
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05-12-23 09:12 AM - Post#925203
Glad you're ready to get back at it, John. Hope the training goes well today.
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The Judge
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05-15-23 08:53 PM - Post#925212
Glad you're ready to get back at it, John. Hope the training goes well today.[/q
Thanks, Al!
I finally went back to the gym after 9 months away. It is probably the longest break in decades. I went on Friday and worked all muscle groups lightly. Today (Monday) I worked every area still with light weights, but harder with more reps and sets. I got a pump!!!! I know I'll be sore tomorrow and Wednesday, but isn't that what we work for? Wednesday is my next PT appointment so I'll be working hard there as well.
I can't even express how good it feels to be back training. I just have to be very careful that I don't overdo it and have a setback. I still have pain and a limited range of motion, but it's getting better. Slowly.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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AAnnunz
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05-16-23 07:46 AM - Post#925213
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The Judge
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06-09-23 08:34 PM - Post#925245
My workout at the gym now is using moderate weights for 5 sets of 12 reps. Getting a pump, but not killing myself. I have to be careful with my shoulder and my bicep in which the tendon was removed from its original origin and placed in a drilled hole in the remaining bone.
Leg Extensions
Seated Leg Curls
Front Raises with Yellow Band
Cable Internal and External Rotator Cuff Work
Cable Tricep Pressdowns
Hammer DB Curls
Flat Bench DB Press/Flyes
Hyperextensions
I am feeling good tonight. Muscles are a bit tight and telling me that they had a workout.
Judge John
"You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - Dave Draper
"Moderation assures mediocrity -- nice, safe. Mediocrity is for the mediocre -- simple, okay. The intense rule; the mediocre follow." - Dave Draper
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