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In fact, there are a lot of people here who wouldn't worry about food intake even if it was in what's considered the high range.
Just letting you know there are several schools of thought on this, and no one knows yet which one will end up on top.
Either way you look at it, be a man. Get a blood test so you'll know if it's even something you need to wonder about.
Jeff,
just an added thought:
There was an dentist in the 1930's who traveled worldwide to see teeth in peoples away from "civilization". He went to far places and saw many types of people; what amazed him most were that even in places which never had a toothbrush nor 'modern' food, there were perfect teeth and perfect health.
When I describe 'perfect health', I mean no heart disease, no cancer, no artery plaque. The bones, jawline, cheekbones, and skulls were perfectly formed, with large, healthy spaces for the brain and sinuses; in addition, the teeth were perfectly straight. These peoples ranged from Eskimos (Inuits), Swiss sheepherders, island natives, African bushmen, etc etc.
That means, all these people had different diets... many with saturated fats from butters, full-fat yogurts, meats, whole eggs etc. This includes the African peoples who ate mostly meat, grasses, and blood. But these healthy people ONLY had NON-PROCESSED FOOD diets: ie: native foods to the land, created, grown, and prepared fresh and locally.
The amazing part was that family members, sometimes even siblings or cousins, who were exposed to processed (modern) foods, started getting diseases, heart problems, misaligned teeth, cancer, etc.
The only correlation this dentist, Weston A. Price should discover, was that it's not each individual food macronutrient which is the problem: it's whether the food is real and natural --- or processed and 'modernized'.
It's not my theory, but I believe it and have seen evidence of its veracity (eg: the Amish). Go look up the Weston A Price Foundation and read for yourself: www.westonaprice.org
It's not the amount of eggs you eat -- or if you have butter... it's what else you eat along with them, what you prepare them in, what your parents ate, etc. "Cholesterol" in itself is made by the body and is needed - in fact, hormones are made out of 'cholesterol'. Most people who have too low cholesterol may have other issues wrong in their bodies, like lack of certain hormones (like sex hormones and others).
Please don't take my word for it. Read what this accidental-researcher discovered, for yourself.
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The thing about the people with good teeth is true. Processed food loaded with simple carbs and calories is bad for you. but what I think those people with the good teeth all had in common were omega 3's in the diet. Either eating fish or organ meats of animals raised naturally gave them this necessary component missing in the modern American diet. Since the advent of processed foods in the American diet, our omega 3's have dropped dramatically as our weight has inversely increased. Look at Pacific Islanders who were muscular and not fat as late as the 1940's before the American diet arrived. Look at them now....hugely obese and dying of heart disease.
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Benefits of Coenzyme Q10
The New Straits Times 08-02-05
Taking CoQ10 every day may help you to be stronger, healthier, younger and more energetic, according to research. Dr Stephen T. Sinatra, cardiologist and director of the New England Heart Centre, says: "If I could
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Good read, but why did you have to stand on your hand to tell us that!?!?
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Ha Ha! A while back, I was practicing my handstand chinups at the mailbox. My neighbor caught me in the act. Anyway, they say we live in an upside down world so Subeer maybe you are the one who is upside down? ;o))
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The highest quality CoQ10 is produced exlusively in Japan and NOW CoQ10 comes from Japan.
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If you like Weston A. Price's work, you should definitely check out Loren Cordain's too. I certainly agree with the observation that these traditional diets don't include any processed foods. However let's not forget that these people are mostly hunter gatherers, not farmers. Their food is unprocessed, but they have to work hard to get it and it isn't easy to get a lot of carbs. Agriculture is what makes it possible to overeat and underwork. I wonder if anything has had more influence than agriculture.
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Yesterday's conversation about cutting cholesterol made me wonder if more of us are chasing after non-issues. For instance, when I had my bloodwork done earlier this year, one thing caught my attention and I made some supplemental changes to address it. All well and good, but what if the problem wasn't permanent, ie, what if I was eating more sugar than normal the week before and the counts weren't normal? Does anyone know how long it takes our blood to adjust to dietary or supplemental changes? A day, a week, a month, a year?
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Some dietary changes reflect themselves very rapidly in blood chemistry. Triglycerides can go way up and way down in a matter of a few days with that sugar example you gave. I think its going to depend on the specific test/attribute/supplement.
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That's a very good and important point. It does depend on which area of your blood profile you are testing. Triglycerides, as jej said, are more rapidly effected by the ingestion of carbs, even the day before. Cholesterol is produced by the liver and it takes a bit of time for the liver to adjust to changes in diet and supplements. For example, it is recommended that one waits at least 4-6 weeks after beginning red yeast rice supplementation to see a change in blood lipid profiles. My last test had a poor ratio of HDL/LDL even though my totals were not bad for me (220). However, that was much higher than my last test. I had been on a high meat and egg diet and have now gone back to oatmeal with protein powder for breakfast and limited egg intake to two days per week. I have added more chicken, turkey and fish to my dinner menus and limit red meat to once per week. My next test is in a couple of months. I also added more fish oil and niacin. We'll see what changes there are.
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Agriculture is what makes it possible to overeat and underwork. I wonder if anything has had more influence than agriculture.
So true, ccrow, agriculture and the industrial revolution both raised the standard of living and destroyed it - depending on your perspective.
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Agriculture is what makes it possible to overeat and underwork. I wonder if anything has had more influence than agriculture.
Agriculture may also be what makes large-scale politics and organized warfare possible. Have a look at Jared Diamond's book "Guns, Germs, and Steel", if you're interested:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393317552/002-6759486-5456059?v=glance
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You know Judge I eat 3 eggs everyday for breakfast and I kind of like that idea of switching to oatmeal and protein powder for breakfast.
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Larry
I have been doing that once a week or so for a while. Good combo for a pre-workout breakfast. Bill Pearl sells oatmeal with all sorts of good stuff already added. I add flax, too, but then I add flax to just about anything. I also do soy [either soy grits or TVP] and whey and flax - also good, if you are not anti-soy. Sometimes, I add fruit to any one of these combos.
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If I use Soy I get hot flashes. What is that all about?? No Dan I'm not becomeing a girly man.
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John Beats me. Folks use soy to combat menopausal hot flashes and night sweats, so its odd you'd have the opposite reaction. http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5&faq_id=872I have never noticed anything like it at all. Gotta say, though, I am not good at noticing cause and effect of foods I eat. jej
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My guess is that since these studies were on women...
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Oatmeal and protein powder is the best breakfast I have had. The carbs last throughout my workout which is a couple of hours later. I alternate it with farina (Cream of Wheat) and protein powder which is good but not as long lasting as oatmeal. I just get tired of the same breakfast everyday. Also, when I have eggs I really enjoy them since I don't have them everyday anymore. On Saturday, I have pancakes with protein powder mixed in.
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I think I'm going to give them a try. The number of eggs I eat per week is starting to worry me a bit. Also as the Judge points out a little variety might be nice. :)
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Hey Judge John,
Let me know how your next bloodwork turns out concerning your chol. totals and HDL levels. Alcohol, Omega III fats, oatbran & exercise are probably the easist ways to raise the good chol. levels I know about. Last time I had mine checked I know it was under 200 but I don't know what my totals were. Let me know how you fare on your next visit after cutting down on the eggs. I'd like to know how much of a % change you see and let me know how you feel physically after cutting down. Thanks DF in Dallas.
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Deston, I take quite a few supps for keeping my blood lipid levels within a decent range. My "normal" totals are usually over 300. I am usually under 200 with my cholesterol supps but this time I went over 200 which didn't disturb me as much as the bad ratio of HDL to LDL. I am increasing my niacin which should help raise HDL and increasing my fish oil as well. Eating less eggs and red meat will only be a part of the program but I am hoping it will help. I'll post the results here when I go next time which I think is the end of October.
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I'm telling you guys once more. Something far more important than saturated fat intake and cholesterol is omega 3 fat intake. Judge is covering that well with the fish oil.
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John, I am a true believer in the value of fish oil and not just for blood lipid profile improvements. I have a great deal of joint pain and the fish oil has helped. I had been taking 4 large caps per day and have now upped it to 6. I find I have to work my way up because it is hard to digest if you just take a large amount right off the bat.
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The problem I'm targeting is Lipoprotein/a. It doesn't seem to be affected by food, or exercise for that matter, although I did get dedicated to daily cardio earlier this year when I began this heart health mission. The changes I made were to bring in niacin x 750mg twice a day, dropped supplemental testosterone by half (no ovaries left in this body) and increased estrogen by half on alternate days. I'll re-test next month and report back. Anyway, I really wonder if the majority of doctors know about the daily influence of food on blood chemistry. I mean, normally when we get fasting blood orders, we get a pre-printed instruction sheet that says, "no food or drink after midnight," which in many cases is barely eight hours. In fact, it took me decades to discover "drink" didn't include water. Finally one kind lab tech clued me in by telling me the blood draw would go a lot easier if I doubled up my water intake the morning of testing. And remember -- who was it, recently? -- when one of us was set to go on statin drugs before discovering his cholesterol tests weren't fasting tests? His doc or the nurse who gave him the paperwork hadn't mentioned fasting!
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Laree, It is amazing to me sometimes how physicians and health care personnel either are ignorant of important areas such as nutrition and supplements and/or do not give patients reasonable information. Are they taking for granted that everyone knows that blood tests can be affected by what they have ingested for days before or do they just not understand that themselves? Kind of scary, you know? You are taking quite a large dose of niacin. Please make sure you get a liver profile because large dosages of niacin can involve changes in liver enzymes. This morning I added a 1/4 teaspoon of cinnamon to my oatmeal. I read in Sunday's paper that there is anecdotal evidence that 1/4 teaspoon per day can significantly lower cholesterol levels. I had known about cinnamon's effect on insulin resistance and its value for marginal diabetics but I didn't know that it could improve cholesterol levels. I love cinnamon but I am not sure if I will get sick of it everyday. I am anxious to find out how all our future blood tests will turn out. We are a big experiment here on IOL that could be of value to all of us.
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I love cinnamon but I am not sure if I will get sick of it everyday.
If you start getting sick of the cinnamon, try adding 1/2 cup of natural applesauce at the same time. Yum.
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Judge, I LOVE Cinnamon and use it everyday on my oatmeal. You can purchase the big jug of McCormick Cinnamon but it has more of a bland taste. The Organic Frontier Cinnamon purchased at the health food store is much sweeter and hotter. You can almost use it as a sweetner. I guess it is whatever your preference dictates.
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Chris, I used to have applesauce with cinnamon as a snack and may do that if I get tired of it in my oatmeal. Sharon, Thanks, I will try to find that brand in the healthfood store. I might be going there tomorrow anyway. I was wondering if my generic brand from the supermarket was as good as any other. Spices can really be different from one brand to another.
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Judge, I mean putting both applesauce and cinnamon in the oatmeal. That way, it becomes a healthy version of the stuff they put in the packets for kids.
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Ginger, The cinnamon brand Frontier is not treated with chemicals or irradiation. I believe, most spices are treated with some type of method for shelf preservation.
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John, thanks. I did get my liver checked in the full panel before I started, so it will be easy to see if there are changes, and promise to get that checked along with the heart markers. About the cinnamon -- you should try Tom Traynor's pancake recipe. It's easy, great nutrition and you can really dump in the spice. Per Tom: Simple, quick, nutritiously balanced, tasty AND featuring Bomber's Blend: 2-scoops Bomber's Blend-either flavor; 1-scoop Udo's Choice Wholesome Fast Food powder by Flora. Mix with water to batter consistency. Cook. Sprinkle with more cinnamon (cinnamon also helps regulate blood sugar). Done. This gives you over 40 grams protein with a bunch of flaxmeal (essential fatty acids), 6 gms. fiber, plant and vegetable phytonutrients with only about 300 calories. The Wholesome fast food also adds bread-like body while adding a cinnamon/almond flavor. It's a darn near perfect food. I make several and put them in sandwich bags, then eat like bread. --- Laree back: I tweaked it to add an egg and a little milk, makes it fluffier. My mom has this for breakfast daily now, and adds diced dried fruit and sometimes chopped nuts. We talked a while back about using other proteins. Tom had tried it with a couple and didn't have the same results -- don't remember which brands -- but try it with your own and see what comes out. At worst case, you'll have a pasty snack; best case you'll have a great new breakfast option that will really help stabilize your blood chemistry, and not only due to the cinnamon.
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Simple, quick, nutritiously balanced, tasty AND featuring Bomber's Blend:
2-scoops Bomber's Blend-either flavor;
1-scoop Udo's Choice Wholesome Fast Food powder by Flora.
Mix with water to batter consistency. Cook. Sprinkle with more cinnamon (cinnamon also helps regulate blood sugar). Done.
This gives you over 40 grams protein with a bunch of flaxmeal (essential fatty acids), 6 gms. fiber, plant and vegetable phytonutrients with only about 300 calories.
You're not worried that cooking the flax meal over high heat won't destroy the EFAs?
I've heard you can get away with baking flax seed or flax meal at times, at lower temperatures, but at the temperatures required on the stovetop, for a pancake for instance, will destroy most of the EFAs, rendering them into trans fat and other unwanted compounds.
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We'll have to hope Tom sees this and responds... he's got tons more knowledge than I do -- this was just me quoting his recipe. But, on the surface I see what you mean.
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Thanks, Laree. I make a pancake on Saturday with protein powder (Muscle Milk). I find it mixes real well in batter but I will try BB since I use that also. I like the sound of the recipe but I have to get the Fast Food Powder. I never used that before. Happy to hear that you are keeping on top of the liver enzymes. Important! Sharon, I found the Frontier cinnamon and it really tastes better! I was pleasantly surprised. Thanks!
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Judge John said, "We are a big experiment here on IOL that could be of value to all of us." That is exactly right. I want to thank all of you for what you contribute to my understanding of nutrition and health. I have a feeling that those of us following these protocols have pushed back the whole aging process greatly. The way we have cut out the processed foods with all their simple carbs and calories, added protein, omega 3s, and vegetables along with our supplementation and exercise is turning us into Okinawans who live active lives past 100. Now if I could learn Japanese...
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Judge John said, "We are a big experiment here on IOL that could be of value to all of us."
That is exactly right. I want to thank all of you for what you contribute to my understanding of nutrition and health. I have a feeling that those of us following these protocols have pushed back the whole aging process greatly. The way we have cut out the processed foods with all their simple carbs and calories, added protein, omega 3s, and vegetables along with our supplementation and exercise is turning us into Okinawans who live active lives past 100. Now if I could learn Japanese...
"Turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so."
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I keep hearing the pros and cons of butter and margarine and as a result I have both in my refrigerator which one should I toss out?
Ideally, I would like to avoid building up cholesterol in my system that butter is known to have but margarine turns into an element that is bad for you when it is exposed to cooking temperatures. I wonder which one Dave uses?
Just though I would toss this out...
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Keep the butter. Trans-fatty acids are EXTREMELY bad juju.
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Butter is marginally better. There are better choices for fat though, and never cook with margarine.
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Butter in moderation, margarine never. Kyle E.
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Dave uses neither. I use butter.
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Keep the butter. Trans-fatty acids are EXTREMELY bad juju.
I was doing some reading about Benecol and the other engineered cholesterol lowering imitation butters on the market. I was astounded to see that they have transfats/partly hydrogenated oils in them. One brand's web site went to great lengths to expalin they really needed it for texture and they had so little of it the FDA lets them label it as zero transfats per serving, but it is there.
I will not be buying any.
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Where can I find out more about the cooking temperature problem with margerine? I had never heard that before. I keep both in my fridge as well.
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Thanks dh. I also found this from FDA. It seems to agree that liquid or tub margerine is prefered to butter or stick margerine. I always wrestle with these issues when it comes to eggs as well as dairy products. web page
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On some recent local news bit regarding a similar issue, Country Crock was supposed to be among the least harmful spreads if you will, along with some other name I can't recall at this moment. Sorry don't have the source.
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Date Agreed to Rules: 12-09-10
Country: Z
Occupation: Website work
info_have_been_training_since: 12-31-79
Primary Training Purpose: Fitness and strength beats aging badly
Real Email Address: ld@davedraper.com
Homepage: davedraper.com
(Rhymes with Marie)
Full name: Laree Draper
Gender: female
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