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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 05:36 PM - Post#112588    



I had posted a regiment of supplements for cholesterol a while back. I know Teresa used it with good results. I have provided the list for many with terrific results. A friend just emailed me recently with wonderful results.

The supps in order of value:

Red Yeast Rice
Non-flushing niacin
Foiic acid
Fish Oil
Polocosanol
Beta Sitosterol
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 06:30 PM - Post#112589    



Quote:

cajinjohn said:
Does your sister train?




Only light cardio, no resistance training. We've talked, she doesn't listen.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 06:44 PM - Post#112590    



CCROW: Thanks for the niacin info. HDL only moved a little, from 59 to 60. My main problem with the Ageless Growth has been the "flush". It took about two months for my body to adapt on the relatively low dose of 100mg. I couldn't imagine what 1000 - 2000 mg would be like.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 06:48 PM - Post#112591    



Judge:

Do you take all six supps? What's the recommended dosage?

Thanks,

Kyle E.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 10:00 PM - Post#112592    



Kyle,

Yes those and many others.

Red Yeast Rice - 1200mg. x 2

No-Flush Niacin - 500mg. x 2

Folic Acid - 800 mcg. x 2

Fish Oil - 1000mg. x 4

Policosanol - 10 mg. x 1

Beta Sitosterol - 120 mg. x 1

I would also recommend Co-enzyme Q-10 - 30 mg. x 2 ( statin drugs remove this nutrient that is necessary for healthy heart function. There is some eveidence that red yeast rice may do the same.)

Finally, magnesium lowers C-reactive protein which causes inflammation in the arteries and may be more important than cholesterol in predicting heart disease.


I have put quite a number of people on this regiment and it has not failed in any case. Let me know if you decide to try it and what results you achieve.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 11:15 PM - Post#112593    



Judge,

Thank you, and yes I will try it. I will also pass this info along to my sis.

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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-14-05 11:17 PM - Post#112594    



Kyle,

Please let me know you and your sister do with your next blood test after you are taking the supps for a couple of months at least. BTW, for these supps I mostly use Vitamin Shoppe online.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-15-05 07:47 AM - Post#112595    



Judge, the only part of your combination that I worry about is the red yeast rice. Since this stuff works the same way cholesterol drugs do (by inhibiting a process in the liver), it's reasonable to assume there is a risk of similar side effects. I'm not necessarily saying don't take red yeast rice, but wouldn't it make sense to try the stack without it, first? I just feel the less pills the better, even natural pills.
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Re: Ageless Growth and cholesterol
06-15-05 10:15 AM - Post#112596    



Liver enzymes have not risen in any of the people who have had it tested. However, that doesn't mean it can't happen. It's a good idea to have regular blood tests anyway to be assured that all is well. The red yeast rice is the most effective supplement in the stack. On the other hand, I think we have become cholesterol phobic due to the pharmacutical companies wanting everyone to be on statin drugs. Super high cholesterol is not a good thing but the limits that the drug companies are promoting may not be necessary. Research is showing that CRP is more problematic than cholesterol which happens to be necessary for proper functioning of the body.
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Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 07:53 PM - Post#136565    



I dont post on here alot cause alot of my ? are probably not the smartest but here goes. I just started keeping a little count of my cholesterol intake and it is way higher than is recommended. I mean over 600 for a day. Most of that is from chicken and protein (my whey has 70g per serving which is higher than most so i know i can change that by buying a different brand). Whats a good way to cut down on the cholesterol? I have been having trouble eating enoff calories for the day so i eat alot of chicken for high protein low fat. Also trying to cut down on fat which is hard cause i have to eat alot of peanut butter to keep my calories up. Am i just worrying myself for nothing? I do alot of cardio to try to stay in shape and lift 4 days (atleast) a week. Any ideas or thoughts would be great.



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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 08:03 PM - Post#136566    



I'd suggest you get a physical exam with a fasting blood test and find out what your lipid levels are. You could be worrying over nothing but right now are shooting in the dark without knowing what your lipid levels are. Sounds like you eat pretty clean jwolf.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 08:17 PM - Post#136567    



Oh man blood work. That might be what kills me. I can handle shots but the whole drawing blood thing would not be fun. There is no other way to check your lipid levels without blood work? I eat as clean as possible, its just hard to keep the calories up and all the other stuff down (fats, cholest., sodium)
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 08:17 PM - Post#136568    



Like CB says, if your blood cholesterol levels (HDL to LDL ratio) are okay, you're fine.

Further, dietary cholesterol intake doesn't have much to do with blood cholesterol levels. It's not like you eat it and wham that's the cholesterol that's measured in your blood - it's much more complicated than that. Your saturated fat intake has much more to do with cholesterol levels. So even if you're trying to lower your blood cholesterol, it probably won't help much to monitor your dietary cholesterol; it would help more to watch your saturated fat, and you'd want to consider some other supplements and dietary considerations.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 08:22 PM - Post#136569    



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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 08:47 PM - Post#136570    



What ccrow said. There's practically no direct connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol.
The more I eat and the heavier I train, the better my genetics get.

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:07 PM - Post#136571    



Thanks for the info. I am just playing with my diet and saw my cholesterol was in the 600's and 700's, I figured that was not good.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:19 PM - Post#136572    



Quote:

jwolf7722 said:
Thanks for the info. I am just playing with my diet and saw my cholesterol was in the 600's and 700's, I figured that was not good.



You are in deep doo doo bro. You better change up your life style quick.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:32 PM - Post#136573    



Quote:

Chris McClinch said:
What ccrow said. There's practically no direct connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol.




I have read this many times. My own experience is otherwise.

A couple years ago I stopped eating 3 whole eggs a day and started eating only the whites. I made no other changes for 12 weeks. I was not charting dietary cholesterol or fats at the time, but they were both very low, and was eating lots of fiber, doing lots of cardio. I had not re-entered the weight room at the time. My cholesterol went from the 170s to the 110s. My diet has gone through lots of changes since then, and my lipid numbers have stayed in that range. I now keep dietary chol. under 300/day [dairy and tuna account for most of it], and have made lots of other changes in the diet. Last I checked, American Heart Assn still had a recommended max on dietary cholesterol, but its been a while.

Coincidence? Genetics? Causal? Beats me.

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:33 PM - Post#136574    



I eat extremly clean, better than alot of people. I was just trying to see about cutting some of it out of my diet. 220 comes from protein, and about 200-300 comes from chicken. Guess I will have to look at the cholesterol labels a little better.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:37 PM - Post#136575    



Dude, pull a sled, it will assuage your concerns.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:48 PM - Post#136576    



I think Cajin thought you were talking about your blood cholesterol levels instead of your daily cholesterol intake from food. Big dif.


 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:53 PM - Post#136577    



Ya i just read over it i think that is what you thought 2. I am not sure what my levels are. I know i take in about 600-700 a day which i dont think that is good. I try to stay away from Saturated fats cause i know those are no good. I guess if i really want to know i would have to go give up some blood (oh man).
Any ideas on how to cut some of my cholesterol down some. I am going to start out by buying different whey protein cause mine has a boat load of cholesterol in it.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:53 PM - Post#136578    



Quote:

Laree said:
I think Cajin thought you were talking about your blood cholesterol levels instead of your daily cholesterol intake from food. Big dif.



I guess I read to quick.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 09:54 PM - Post#136579    



Man i would be in trouble if it was that high!!!!
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:10 PM - Post#136580    



Quote:

jwolf7722 said:

Any ideas on how to cut some of my cholesterol down some. I am going to start out by buying different whey protein cause mine has a boat load of cholesterol in it.




I think the comments that you need to know your serum cholesterol first are well taken.

Assuming you want to lower your serum cholesterol, and keep your protein intake at high levels, you can first look at your fiber intake. Soluble fiber reduces serum cholesterol. Its in flax, oats, psyllium [used in metamucil]. Might be that this will take care of your concerns without having to lower your dietary chol intake.

If you do want to lower the dietary chol, its in meats [including fish and fowl] egg yolks, and dairy. Not a lot in non-fat dairy, but some. I know Chris and some others here are anti-soy, but I am not. This issue has been beat to death here and at Steve Holt's site, vegetarianbodybuilder.com. If you want to read a lot more on getting your protein needs met without meat, pay Steve's site a visit. I am not a vegetarian, but find the site very useful.

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:13 PM - Post#136581    



Quote:

jwolf7722 said:
I guess if i really want to know i would have to go give up some blood (oh man).





Don't be such a baby. :~)

Seriously, it makes no sense to worry on this or change your diet if your cholesterol's okay. In fact, there are a lot of people here who wouldn't worry about food intake even if it was in what's considered the high range.

I'm not arguing with Jeff, not for a second. Just letting you know there are several schools of thought on this, and no one knows yet which one will end up on top.

Either way you look at it, be a man. Get a blood test so you'll know if it's even something you need to wonder about.


 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:17 PM - Post#136582    



jwolf, Laree is exactly right. I thought you had nothing to worry about, but now I think you might have one thing to worry about: your fear of blood samples! If you don't get tests once in a while, you'll never know what your problems are (if any) and you'll never know if any changes you make are having the desired effect.

I've bled more shaving than a cholesterol test takes. Nut up and give up a little blood bro.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:49 PM - Post#136583    



I recall Frank Zane at 12-18 WHOLE eggs a day and his cholesterol was around 150.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:53 PM - Post#136584    



Quote:

jej said:
My cholesterol went from the 170s to the 110s.




Why do you consider this a positive? With a total cholesterol level in the 110s, your HDL is almost certainly below the healthy range. However, I'd posit that the drop in total cholesterol levels had more to do with the drop in saturated fat intake than with the drop in dietary cholesterol.

Quote:

jej said:
Last I checked, American Heart Assn still had a recommended max on dietary cholesterol, but its been a while.




The AHA also recommends an extremely low protein diet. Plus, they recommend at least 6 servings of starch a day. Just like your average registered nutritionist, you'll do pretty well dietarily by doing the exact opposite of what the AHA recommends.
The more I eat and the heavier I train, the better my genetics get.

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 10:57 PM - Post#136585    



hey it't not like you are eating fried chicken. My friend there are people out there who chain smoke, eat nothing but coffee, sugar, flour and salt and meat. Oh yeah . . . . . a couldn't spend five minutes in the gym with YOU!
 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-24-05 11:00 PM - Post#136586    



Quote:

Deston Fallon said:
hey it't not like you are eating fried chicken. My friend there are people out there who chain smoke, eat nothing but coffee, sugar, flour and salt and meat. Oh yeah . . . . . a couldn't spend five minutes in the gym with YOU!




What's wrong with coffee, salt, and meat?
The more I eat and the heavier I train, the better my genetics get.

If you're not paraplegic and not squatting, please kick your own ass for me."

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Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 12:45 AM - Post#136587    



I heard it keeps you awake.
 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 06:50 AM - Post#136588    



Quote:

Deston Fallon said:
I heard it keeps you awake.




Which is good if you don't want to be fired for sleeping on the job.
The more I eat and the heavier I train, the better my genetics get.

If you're not paraplegic and not squatting, please kick your own ass for me."

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"There is only one gram of carbs in STFD and no carbs at all in STFU." --Byron Chandler

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 08:40 AM - Post#136589    



Chris McClinch said:
Quote:

jej said:

My cholesterol went from the 170s to the 110s.




Why do you consider this a positive? With a total cholesterol level in the 110s, your HDL is almost certainly below the healthy range. However, I'd posit that the drop in total cholesterol levels had more to do with the drop in saturated fat intake than with the drop in dietary cholesterol.

Quote:

jej said:


I do not doubt the drop in sat fat may have been responsible. As I said, I was not logging fats at the time, but sat fat intake was minimal. Still is. In fact, my total fat intake was lower than it should have been, as I look back on it. As I said, I do not know it was causal.

I'll also comment in response to another part of this thread, I have no problem with meat and salt. In my case, I have to limit salt, and I think a lot of folks get too much without knowing it, but you die without it.

My HDL is, was, and remains lower than it ought to be by my standards. Its on the low end of the "normal" range, and has been through major weight loss. I want it much higher. It hardly budged with this change or any other change I have tried. It was too low when I was on the pizza and beer diet, stayed too low when I cleaned up my diet, remained too low as I studied how to fix it. We will see in October if my latest efforts are successful. Total HDL was the topic, so that is the number I commented on here. Total reduction was a good thing as it kept my ratio where it belonged. My LDL went down at this time, too. My trigs were way too high, too. Got that one figured out and fixed, too. Different fix than the total cholesterol fix - no more pizza and beer. Well, really, minimal simple carbs.

BTW - my current effort to increase HDL - I have not found any magic bullet for it and no sure cure. I have read of positive results possibly related to strength training, increased MUFA and PUFA, increased niacin, and alcohol. Three out of four ain't bad - no alcohol here.
 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 08:50 AM - Post#136590    



Quote:

Chris McClinch said:
What ccrow said. There's practically no direct connection between dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol.




Correct. However, there is a connection between the amount of saturated fat that is consumed and serum cholesterol.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 09:38 AM - Post#136591    



Quote:

Deston Fallon said:
hey it't not like you are eating fried chicken. My friend there are people out there who chain smoke, eat nothing but coffee, sugar, flour and salt and meat. Oh yeah . . . . . a couldn't spend five minutes in the gym with YOU!




Everyone's different, and sometimes it's just not fair. A guy in my gym who is in his early 30's has just started to compete in bodybuilding. He has only been lifting for a couple years, and his diet consists of Mountain Dew, Snickers bars, and cigarettes. And this guy has an amazing body. Its just not fair. I have never seem lats like his before, amazing V shape. And yes, he is natural.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 09:46 AM - Post#136592    



The biggest tip I can offer you is to make sure your omega 3s are there. Most who have heart attacks have normal cholesterol. C reactive protein is a much better indicator and, guess what? Omega 3s get this down. Ccrow, Chris and others have been talking about these things since I got on this board. I come from a traditionally trained medical background, but they made me look at the omega 3 ratio concept to prevent heart disease and other things and I, now, realize it is true.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 09:47 AM - Post#136593    



Quote:

jej said:
Chris McClinch said:
Quote:

jej said:

My cholesterol went from the 170s to the 110s.




Why do you consider this a positive? With a total cholesterol level in the 110s, your HDL is almost certainly below the healthy range. However, I'd posit that the drop in total cholesterol levels had more to do with the drop in saturated fat intake than with the drop in dietary cholesterol.

Quote:

jej said:


I do not doubt the drop in sat fat may have been responsible. As I said, I was not logging fats at the time, but sat fat intake was minimal. Still is. In fact, my total fat intake was lower than it should have been, as I look back on it. As I said, I do not know it was causal.

I'll also comment in response to another part of this thread, I have no problem with meat and salt. In my case, I have to limit salt, and I think a lot of folks get too much without knowing it, but you die without it.

My HDL is, was, and remains lower than it ought to be by my standards. Its on the low end of the "normal" range, and has been through major weight loss. I want it much higher. It hardly budged with this change or any other change I have tried. It was too low when I was on the pizza and beer diet, stayed too low when I cleaned up my diet, remained too low as I studied how to fix it. We will see in October if my latest efforts are successful. Total HDL was the topic, so that is the number I commented on here. Total reduction was a good thing as it kept my ratio where it belonged. My LDL went down at this time, too. My trigs were way too high, too. Got that one figured out and fixed, too. Different fix than the total cholesterol fix - no more pizza and beer. Well, really, minimal simple carbs.

BTW - my current effort to increase HDL - I have not found any magic bullet for it and no sure cure. I have read of positive results possibly related to strength training, increased MUFA and PUFA, increased niacin, and alcohol. Three out of four ain't bad - no alcohol here.




I think this is why Chris pointed out that dietary cholesterol has little to do with serum levels. The cholesterol in your blood is made by your body in response to what your body believes it needs. If your HDL and LDL levels are out of whack (and unless you're a heart patient, a 179 raw number is not necessarily bad) it usually has more to do with other endocrine factors.

Cholesterol levels are just one of many factors related to heart disease and heart attacks. Truth be told, it's pretty far down the scale in terms of seriousness. 50% of all fatal heart attacks occur in people with normal cholesterol levels. But it's the one getting most of the attention these days because it is a factor that can be affected for most people just by taking a pill. The pharmaceutical companies have jumped on this and spend billions of dollars to keep the issue in front of us. Never mind that pill may have other problems.

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 09:49 AM - Post#136594    



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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 11:06 AM - Post#136595    



Hang out around your local GNC. Ours occasionally does cholesterol testing. Hey, so did the Kmart one day. It's just a pinprick. BFD.
I added more meat, eggs, basically this whole bodybuilding diet and my cholesterol dropped 54 pounts. I think cutting out the sugar (white flour too) was the real trick.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 11:35 AM - Post#136596    



Doesn't COQ10 raise HDL? In addition to assisting with C-reactive protein? That might be a sure bet for you, Jeff, if you aren't already taking it. Dosage needs to be higher than average, 100mg or above.


 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 11:36 AM - Post#136597    



What's a COQ10?
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 11:44 AM - Post#136598    



Quote:

Kym said:
Hang out around your local GNC.




Even thought i use GNC whey (not after i finish my next 2 tubs) i cant stand the place. Always trying to get me to buy something else if i shop there. Its really annoying. I have no health problems so i dont think thats a concern. I guess i will just have to get a test done sometime in the future. For now i am going to switch protein and watch what brand of chicken i buy to try to cut out that saturated fat and cholesterol. Looks like cholesterol is very complecated. I guess I may be in over my head.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 11:50 AM - Post#136599    



Benefits of Coenzyme Q10
The New Straits Times 08-02-05

Taking CoQ10 every day may help you to be stronger, healthier, younger and more energetic, according to research. Dr Stephen T. Sinatra, cardiologist and director of the New England Heart Centre, says: "If I could recommend only one natural health secret, it would be CoQ10. Everyone aged above 40 should take it daily... no formula I've seen gives you a wider array of health benefits." The human body is made up of trillions of cells. How one feels and functions depends on how all these trillions of cells work. And how well these cells work has a lot to do with coenzyme Q10, better known as CoQ10. CoQ10 is said to be a vital ingredient in energy production which keeps trillions of cells running smoothly. This cellular energy which CoQ10 helps to produce is essential for life, as energy is required in everything we do from breathing to thinking and keeping our heart beating. As we grow older, our body produces less CoQ10 and that's when our energy-producing system starts to slow down. We find our brains are no longer sharp, our hearts do not beat as efficiently and that we easily tire. Low levels of CoQ10 are said to affect every aspect of life: including health and ageing.

It is not surprising that scientists regard the body's energy-producing system as the most basic system. It is also the master energy system that runs all our body's functions - the circulatory system, immune system, endocrine system and everything else that keep us alive. However, this most important system (the energy-producing system) has largely been ignored, and the result has affected the lives of almost everyone past the age of 30. The lack of energy has also been linked to ageing, heart problems, dementia and even cancer. A body that is struggling to perform the basic tasks of living cannot muster up the energy to kill cancer cells, heal an ailing heart, repair damaged brain cells or grow new bone. The fundamental difference between a young body and an old body is that a young body has the resilience to resist diseases, while an old body is quickly defeated. If we overhaul the energy system, all our other systems are likely to be strengthened as well. It is possible to feel stronger, healthier and younger and have more energy and stamina to live fuller, more active and vibrant lives. But what are the causes of CoQ10 deficiency? One of these is our diets. CoQ10 is produced by every cell of the body. Manufacturing CoQ10 is a 17-step process that requires at least eight vitamins, several trace minerals and the amino acid tyrosine. A deficiency in any one of the nutrients due to poor dietary intake can hinder the body's production of CoQ10.

Ageing is also another factor behind CoQ10 deficiency. The body's CoQ10 level peaks at the age of 20 and thereafter starts to decline. An accelerated drop is seen after the age of 40. At the age of 40, the body has 40 per cent less CoQ10 than at the age of 20 and at the age of 70, one ends up with 60 per cent less of CoQ10. Also, it is now well established that statins (known as HMG-CoA Reductase Inhibitor) lower cholesterol by blocking cholesterol synthesis. However this effect is not selective as it also blocks CoQ10 production. Deficiency of CoQ10 is implicated, at least in part, in the development of the side-effects of statin drugs. Some people taking statin drugs report a wide range of side- effects including muscle pain, weakness, fatigue, memory problems and erectile dysfunction.


According to Dr Julian M Whitaker, the side-effects can be attributed to the depletion of CoQ10 by statin drugs. He suggested that CoQ10 supplementation is an easy, economically-feasible remedy to prevent or reverse the dangerous CoQ10 depletion effects of statin drugs.

If you are over 40, taking a multivitamin/mineral every day is one of the best things you can do for your health. But to reach your full potential, you need to do more. One needs to bolster the energy system - the one that runs the rest of the body. A slowdown in the energy system affects all aspects of life, jepardises health, brings on disease and hastens ageing.


 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 01:25 PM - Post#136600    



yes SK I believe there will be a big stink about these so called wonder pills in the future. Saten drugs is the group. I think the big pills on each end of that pole is the best medicine.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 01:46 PM - Post#136601    



Sharon, I read an article recently talking about CoQ10. In the article it mentions some CoQ10 capsule don't even contain CoQ10. What brand are you taking and what do you know about the contents of it?
Thanks
 
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 01:46 PM - Post#136602    



Thx, Sharon.
I have a lot of reading to do.
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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 02:03 PM - Post#136603    



Quote:

bagman said:
Sharon, I read an article recently talking about CoQ10. In the article it mentions some CoQ10 capsule don't even contain CoQ10. What brand are you taking and what do you know about the contents of it?
Thanks




Your comment is one of the reasons why most heart doctors will not sign off on CoQ10 as a supplement for their patients...

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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 02:42 PM - Post#136604    



Your first step should be to get a fasting blood test. I get them twice a year and I don't know antone who is mor scared of needles than I am, so suck it up.

I did an experiment this year and lost body fat before I had my blood test. My total cholesterol went down only 6 points but my LDL went down 12 and my HDL went up 6. I don't know if it was from the fat loss or the fact that I worked out extra hard to lose the fat.

Genetics has more to do with how much cholesterol you produce anyway.


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Re: Cutting out cholesterol
08-25-05 02:55 PM - Post#136605    



This information is definitely getting out there -- CoQ10 demand has multiplied faster than the manufacturing can be ramped up to meet it, meaning the cost of the supplement has gone through the roof this past year. Our NOW Foods rep tells me it should come back down, hopefully later this year.

CoQ10 info from the NOW Foods insert:

CoQ10 (abbreviated for coenzyme Q10) is a vitamin-like compound also known as ubiquinone. Ubiquinone combines two terms that describe this substance well – a quinone is a type of coenzyme and ubiquitous indicates it exists everywhere in the human body, which it does. CoQ10 plays an important role in your body’s energy production and is an essential component of the mitochondria, where it helps to metabolize fats and carbohydrates and maintain cell membrane flexibility. CoQ10 is also involved in the production of several key enzymes that are used to create ATP, which is burned by your body for energy, and in the energy transfer between mitochondria and cells. Without CoQ10, you would not be alive or able to function.

CoQ10 is also an effective antioxidant that may beneficially affect the aging process. As we age, our body’s production of CoQ10 declines by as much as 80%. Because it is so important to energy production, and therefore life, researchers believe that this decline may be a factor in the effects of aging on the human body.

The highest levels of CoQ10 are found in tissues in the body that work the hardest, like the heart, the liver, etc. Initial studies into CoQ10 found that persons with cardiac insufficiencies had very low levels of CoQ10, and supplementation increased CoQ10 levels. So CoQ10 is not only an effective antioxidant, but it supports cardiovascular health as well.


 
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