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Display Name Post: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??        (Topic#14550)
Gregthebody
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10-18-07 05:09 PM - Post#362501    



I was watching a video, and they are presenting an award to Bob Gajda. The presenter said that he beat Arnold in a BBing show.
This is wrong. The only 3 men to beat Arnold are, Chet Yorton, Sergio Oliva, and Frank Zane.
Even Zane has said, "I'm one of only 3 men to beat Arnold."
Greg
 
Jamie
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10-18-07 05:19 PM - Post#362504    



That's the way I under stand it too Gregthebody. I do know though that Bob Gajda did beat Sergio Oliva once. I think it was the AAU Mr. America contest.
Fanaticism is doubling one's efforts, yet forgetting one's purpose.

Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way, you are correct. - Henry Ford.


 
Gregthebody
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10-18-07 06:22 PM - Post#362531    



When Gajda beat Sergio, it might have been at the state level, Mr. Illinois.
Greg
 
Budhi
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10-18-07 06:26 PM - Post#362536    



I know Gadja became a physical therapist decades ago. Anyone know what he's been doing in the intervening 40 years???
 
Gregthebody
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Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-18-07 06:38 PM - Post#362541    



Yes, Bob has his sports medicine place,in Illinois.
www.gajdahealthplus.com
Greg
 
Jamie
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Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-18-07 07:48 PM - Post#362594    



  • Gregthebody Said:
When Gajda beat Sergio, it might have been at the state level, Mr. Illinois.
Greg



I recall seeing an article in one of the Weider magazines many years back about how the AAU 'fixed' the contest so Gajda would win. Sergio swore off the AAU then and went with the IFBB. Like I said, if I'm correct it was the AAU Mr. America. I suppose it would have been the year Gajda won the Mr. America. Anyone recall when????????

I found this is a goggle search. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-428584.html
MotorcityAl03-10-2005, 01:28 PM

"I really enjoyed that interview. I've always put Sergio on the same level as Arnold, except for differences in diet and conditioning. Arnie had the advantage of Weider, having a great personality, and being better-looking that helped him become more popular in the mainstream (and later in movies). His fantasic-looking body also helped.

Sergio definitely had better genetics though. His muscle bellies are incredibly thick *and* long. Look at those arms!!! I love that back pose too.Actually Sergio was also a Weider athlete after he got jobbed in the AAU Mr. America contest, losing to Bob Gajda. Remember Sergio won the Olympia 3 consecutive times before finally losing to Arnold, and of course the loss was controversial to say the least. Sergio eventually bolted for Dan Lurie's WBBG. :)"
Fanaticism is doubling one's efforts, yet forgetting one's purpose.

Whether you think you can or you think you can't, either way, you are correct. - Henry Ford.




Edited by MrCleveland on 10-18-07 08:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Kevin C
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10-19-07 01:26 AM - Post#362734    



I believe it's in the book "Fantastic" but it turns out Arnold lost a contest before winning Mr. Europe Junior. If true, that would mean Arnold competed once before joining the Army. In a sense, that would be logical because he was invited to Mr Europe Jr contest.

However, I doubt that was Bob Gajda. What announcer said it, and when? I'm curious


 
Gregthebody
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10-19-07 05:03 AM - Post#362758    



It was on your tube at WBBG hall of fame,
Greg
 
ccrow
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Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-19-07 07:26 AM - Post#362777    



This page has something:

http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=HOME&templ ate=CONTENT&sid=283

SO evidently many more than three people have beaten Schwarzenegger, including some no-names. But:

  • Quote:
5) Bob Gajda has said that he beat Arnold at the 1966 FIHC World Physique Championships in East Berlin (23rd October). The original contest report appeared in Kraftsport revue (Nr. 29), making it clear that Arnold was the guest poser and not a competitor. Albert Busek informed Joe Roark that Arnold was not allowed to compete as he was not sent by a German or Austrian bodybuilding organization. A list of the first seven place winners was also published in IronMan magazine (Jan 1967, vol. 26/2, p.18). A picture of Arnold guest posing appeared in Bodypower magazine (Jul 1988).



Now that doesn't sound like the whole story, but still.

Arnold also backed down from a challenge by Bill Pearl, who came out of retirement for the 1971 NABBA Universe:

http://www.davedraper.com/beyond-the-universe.html

Bill Pearl!
The most important test a lifter has to pass
is the test of time.
-Jon Cole




Edited by ccrow on 10-19-07 07:26 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Gregthebody
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10-19-07 09:12 AM - Post#362839    



So my friend, who knows Bob Gajda , is incorrect.
This guy , who constantly spills what he thinks are facts, is wrong again.
He also tried to tell me that Steroids were developed in the 1950's. Incorrect as there were developed in the 1930's. and he calls himself a BBing historian !
Greg
 
Butters
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10-19-07 09:30 AM - Post#362857    



Yeah, Arnold competed in some competition at like 16 or so in his hometown. There's a picture or two in his Education of the BBer book, but there's no reference to the contest. As I understand it, he was like 2nd or 3rd.
I am his father. He comes to me for advices. So it's not that hard for me to give him the wrong advices.


 
Marooned Mike
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Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-19-07 12:33 PM - Post#362984    



Most folks don't do all that well their 1st time out (or early-on)... but missing the mark often becomes a learning experience & gives them drive to improve...

And body-building is all about improving.

P.S.: "Beating" a guy in a competition when he's just starting-out isn't as prestigious as doing so when he's in his prime as a master-trainer

P.S.S.: In my book, if you're looking good &/or you've improved, then you're a body-building winner
2009 Motto: Thinking Positive, Being Positive
"Start out easy & don't compete against anyone but yourself." -- Steve Reeves
"...work up to the number of repetitions that you feel necessary to do the trick. Don't hold yourself down to any hidebound number of repetitions." -- George F. Jowett
"Weight training is successful when you perservere." -- Mike Dayton




Edited by Marooned Mike on 10-19-07 12:38 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Bill Keyes
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10-19-07 04:48 PM - Post#363077    



The AAU Mr America contest in question was 1966 and it was indeed Sergio's last AAU contest. He took 2nd place with the consolation being the Most Muscular trophy along with most of the body part awards.

The AAU was famous (or, more correctly, infamous) for this kind of treatment which only hastened the rise to prominence of the IFBB.
Bill2
Integrity is what you do when you think nobody is watching.


 
CB
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10-19-07 05:25 PM - Post#363094    



How do you pronounce Bob's last name ?
CB
 
Mark Mills
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10-21-07 08:33 AM - Post#363518    



I've been told it is pronounced Guy-ya.
 
Kevin C
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-24-07 02:59 AM - Post#364987    



  • ccrow Said:
This page has something:

http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=HOME&templ ate=CONTENT&sid=283

SO evidently many more than three people have beaten Schwarzenegger, including some no-names. But:

  • Quote:
5) Bob Gajda has said that he beat Arnold at the 1966 FIHC World Physique Championships in East Berlin (23rd October). The original contest report appeared in Kraftsport revue (Nr. 29), making it clear that Arnold was the guest poser and not a competitor. Albert Busek informed Joe Roark that Arnold was not allowed to compete as he was not sent by a German or Austrian bodybuilding organization. A list of the first seven place winners was also published in IronMan magazine (Jan 1967, vol. 26/2, p.18). A picture of Arnold guest posing appeared in Bodypower magazine (Jul 1988).



Now that doesn't sound like the whole story, but still.

Arnold also backed down from a challenge by Bill Pearl, who came out of retirement for the 1971 NABBA Universe:

http://www.davedraper.com/beyond-the-universe.html

Bill Pearl!




Thanks for these critical web links, ccrow. Very informative and a lot to digest


 
Kevin C
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10-24-07 03:11 AM - Post#364988    



  • Gregthebody Said:
So my friend, who knows Bob Gajda , is incorrect.
This guy , who constantly spills what he thinks are facts, is wrong again.
He also tried to tell me that Steroids were developed in the 1950's. Incorrect as there were developed in the 1930's. and he calls himself a BBing historian !
Greg


What occurred to me lately, Greg, is that when supposedly the York Gang learned of steroid use (1936 Olympics in Berlin, perhaps?)...it was only for the purpose of Weightlifting, not Bodybuilding. I see two factors stemming from this revelation:
(1) It strongly appears that America is the first country to use steroids for muscle enhancement
(2) That it does matter what kind of training one does for either looking like a weightlifter/powerlifter or looking like a bodybuilder (HIT vs volume training)

I am interested in your take on this (and other numerous experts' opinions in this forum)


 
Kevin C
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10-24-07 03:51 AM - Post#364990    



  • Bill Keyes Said:
The AAU Mr America contest in question was 1966 and it was indeed Sergio's last AAU contest. He took 2nd place with the consolation being the Most Muscular trophy along with most of the body part awards.

The AAU was famous (or, more correctly, infamous) for this kind of treatment which only hastened the rise to prominence of the IFBB.


Bill, you're exactly right on all counts. Meanwhile, I've always wanted to tell you what a beautiful child you have in your arms


 
Bill Keyes
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10-24-07 03:59 AM - Post#364992    



Thanks, Kevin. That's my grandson, Liam, at 6 months old. He's all of 8 months now!
Bill2
Integrity is what you do when you think nobody is watching.


 
Stan Jaffin
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10-24-07 07:16 AM - Post#365012    



Two very readable sources for the background on the use of steroids in sports are:

1. Muscletown by Tom Fair
2. Optimum Sports Nutrition by Michael Colgan
 
Richard Sanchez
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Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
10-24-07 09:31 PM - Post#365357    



Steroids were around in the early 1930's.

MS, MBA





Edited by Richard Sanchez on 10-24-07 09:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
terrystrand
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 09:08 AM - Post#371997    





To see a video of Bob Gajda take a look at:
http://www.gajdahealthplus.com/Bob_Gajda.html

Bob beat Sergio for the AAU Mr. America and Mr. USA in 1966, not merely for the Mr. Illinois, as was mentioned on this thread.

Of course, Sergio went on to improve dramatically and dominate the Olympia for 67-69 while working a manual day job in a foundry, [while Arnold soaked up post-workout sun on the beach] living on cheeseburgers and fries, and without Arnold's financial freedom thanx to Uncle Joe.

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Joe Roark
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 10:20 AM - Post#372011    




Bob beat Sergio for the AAU Mr. America and Mr. USA in 1966, not merely for the Mr. Illinois, as was mentioned on this thread.

I was not aware of this.


 
terrystrand
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 11:03 AM - Post#372023    



Joe, et al, here's 64-66 contest history comparison of Bob verses Sergio showing their competition records in '65 and '66:

GAJDA
1964
Mr America - AAU, 11th

1965
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 4th
Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr USA - AAU, Winner

1966
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
Mr America - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd
World - Universe - FICH, Winner

SERGIO:
1964
Mr America - AAU, 7th
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd

1965
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr America - AAU, 4th
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd

1966
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
Mr World - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr World - IFBB, Tall, 1st





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Butters
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 12:37 PM - Post#372039    



  • terrystrand Said:
Of course, Sergio went on to improve dramatically and dominate the Olympia for 67-69 while working a manual day job in a foundry, [while Arnold soaked up post-workout sun on the beach] living on cheeseburgers and fries, and without Arnold's financial freedom thanx to Uncle Joe.



Get bitter much? Oh let me guess Arnold must have kicked your dog once.
I am his father. He comes to me for advices. So it's not that hard for me to give him the wrong advices.


 
Joe Roark
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 12:57 PM - Post#372044    



  • terrystrand Said:
Joe, et al, here's 64-66 contest history comparison of Bob verses Sergio showing their competition records in '65 and '66:

GAJDA
1964
Mr America - AAU, 11th

1965
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 4th
Mr USA - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr USA - AAU, Winner

1966
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 2nd
Mr America - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd
World - Universe - FICH, Winner

SERGIO:
1964
Mr America - AAU, 7th
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 3rd

1965
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr America - AAU, 4th
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd

1966
Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Junior Mr America - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
Junior Mr America - AAU, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
Mr World - IFBB, Overall Winner
Mr World - IFBB, Tall, 1st









Where is the 1966 USA and 1966 Illinois you mentioned?


 
Gregthebody
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Re: Bob Gajda defeated Arnold ??
11-10-07 01:28 PM - Post#372059    



  • Butters Said:
  • terrystrand Said:
Of course, Sergio went on to improve dramatically and dominate the Olympia for 67-69 while working a manual day job in a foundry, [while Arnold soaked up post-workout sun on the beach] living on cheeseburgers and fries, and without Arnold's financial freedom thanx to Uncle Joe.



Get bitter much? Oh let me guess Arnold must have kicked your dog once.


Terry is personal friends with Bob Gajda, and also know Sergio as well, that is why,
Greg
 
terrystrand
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11-10-07 02:24 PM - Post#372071    



Butter and Greg,

Bob is a good friend of mine, and a great guy. I am not bitter regarding Arnold as you flame, but rather simply reporting Sergio's much harder burden of training here in Chicago [while working a tough job], verses Arnold's easier lifestyle. It made it much easier for the Austrian Oak to train having a more lucrative contract.

I am a huge fan of Arnold's.

Finally, I posted a couple of photos, and here is a workout video clip showing my forty years of drug-free bodybuilding experience. Maybe you'd post both of yours?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=318711

Thanx!
My lifetime drug free clips on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/terrystrand






Edited by terrystrand on 11-10-07 02:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
Gregthebody
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11-10-07 04:00 PM - Post#372095    



Terry
Very impressive , for a natural BBer, for sure,
I think that If I ever filmed a DVD, I would have to pay people to watch it !
Like I always say, I want just the FACTS when it comes to someone making a satement, like that. At first, I even e-mailed Frank Zane to confirm. He would know !!
Greg
 
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