07-19-07 11:30 AM - Post#325806    

Every once in a while I take some time to ponder my training and nutrition status (this is not to say I make a *plan* as recommended by the smart guys around here). It's fun to look back and see the changes over the years, especially in the years since IronOnline, because the suggestions here were farther afield than what I'd been exposed to previously.

My training would have been consistent through the years, I'm pretty sure of that having started in 1980. But I wouldn't have tried kettlebells, that's for certain; there wouldn't be a sled or a weight vest downstairs, I wouldn't be doing any stretching or planks and bridges for torso strength.

Then there are the tiny things that had a large impact, things like the day CB told how he dropped cream from his coffee. The way he explained it made me try again, this time successfully. Or glancing at his food intake and realizing if an active, muscular guy can comfortably function on such a low food intake, hey... so can I. That, and Dan's "Stay a little bit hungry" line have helped me immensely in my dietary regime.

I have *no* idea what I'd be thinking about cholesterol these days without y'all's input, or about blood testing in general or heart disease in particular.

The forum has been instrumental in a number of permanent changes for me, and that's not even beginning to consider the companionship, which is pretty much off the charts. Why, you guys are about all we talk about here at the Drapers. :~)

What's different in your habits or thinking that you can attribute to IOL?

07-19-07 11:45 AM - Post#325816    

Honestly, and without wanting to sound faintly ridiculous, my life changed really...
I'd always been relatively active, but since I joined here, I got hooked on weights, and general physical activity more than ever before and in a more structured way; I started eating much better, (well, on and off!) and learning so much from everyone on here; I actually think about this stuff a lot in my daily life, maybe more than is normal I probably wouldn't have run a marathon, and I don't think I'd ever thought of deadlifting before...Logging on here most days makes me accountable, too, and gives me an extra bit of motivation to push myself in the gym.
Even if I don't contribute to a discussion (usually because I don't have a lot to add on a particular topic) I read most of them and try and learn as much as I can from all the experience and knowledge on the board.
So, basically, thank you!

Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined. Henry David Thoreau

07-19-07 11:53 AM - Post#325822    

• rosiec Said:

True, never heard of deads before finding this gem of a site.

My training has become less aesthetic based, and I am getting stronger than ever before. I also eat better when at home, eating a more balanced diet.

Before coming here, I lived on chicken and rice, convinced anything else would make me fat.

This is the finest training site on the web (other than how2dostuff.com. They showed me how to make a flamethrower, and how t become a ninja!)

Seriously though, Id be lost without you guys.

Of all the things ive lost,I miss my mind the most. http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals .html?Owner=jamie%28IRL%29

07-19-07 11:55 AM - Post#325824    

Man.... where to start.

This site has given me an opportunity to learn much more than I ever thought. It also taught me no matter how complicated you can make the science of lifting, it's pretty simple; lift, expend more than you take in, and eat healthy. Can't get much more simple than that.

I've learned alot about diet and changed the way I eat. I don't always keep track of what I eat, but I am more aware.

Still Lots to Learn ------------------------- ----------------- Life's short, take lots of pictures. ------------------------- ----------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - Neil Armstrong

07-19-07 11:58 AM - Post#325826    

Okay...I'll bite.

The major change that I can document has been training consistently or maintaining training continuity. The accountability factor of a training log has made "sticking with it" a much higher priority.

My thinking about workouts and what is really necessary or desirable has changed...not really so much from the IOL (although there was influence) but from my experience with the University of Florida "walking study" in which I participated.

I take a bigger view of the workout picture. If I miss a scheduled day, I don't beat myself up for it or quit altogether...I just make it up when I can. Can't workout Monday, Wednesday and Friday this week? Well...what days CAN I do? Same with the diet...did I fall off the wagon and eat a forbidden goodie? No problem, I'll just work a little harder tonight and resolve to not do it again. I view my workouts as an annual accumulation, rather than something that I do weekly...that way I have no issues with the occasional missed or rescheduled session.

I've eliminated the "unrealistic" goals of physique or strength competition at a high level...and replaced them with goals that are more realistic, such as maintaining training continuity and avoiding injury. My goals are to simply workout as consistently as I can, eat as well as I can without being obnoxious and to train in such a way that I enjoy my training and look forward to each session as much as is possible.

That's the reasoning behind my Big Three blueprint approach and my emphasis on variety and seldom practiced lifts. Works for me. It may have taken years but because of the IOL, I really understand what this phrase means..."The secret is, there is no secret."

Wicked

"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in." "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6

07-19-07 11:59 AM - Post#325828    

I am much more back to basics since finding this site. As much as a love a variety of machines, the more I am here (at IOL) the more I tend to squat, overhead press, do dips, bench, etc. and the less I tend to do side laterals on a machine, use cables, and the like.

End result? I smile more at the end of my workout!

"It is not an uncommon experience for people to talk and argue a great deal about something without anybody bothering to define precisely what it is." - Ross J.S. Hoffman I would like to see the truth clearly before it is too late. - Sartre We must begin by a definition, although definition involves a mental effort and therefore repels. - Hilaire Belloc

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 11:59 AM - Post#325829    

An early gem for me, Laree, was your steer toward Thomas Yannios's heart book. I can hardly believe all I learned from that.

I also learned that the forays I made years ago into slightly higher volume were not mistakes; that re-visiting those memories and old workout journals reinforced my vague impression that the best progress I made in my best training years was made using more sets (at slightly reduced intensity) than my belief system allowed. In other words, I found practice often countered theory for me.

I learned even earlier than that to be generous to people as convinced of their beliefs as I was of mine. This paralleled similar changes in other areas of my life, connections between all those areas buzzing like the phone lines during American Idol.

I also learned that Wicked Willie's early iron history was so similar to mine that it's possible we once were one person and split (probably over a girl).

Steve

07-19-07 12:00 PM - Post#325832    

I learned how to deadlift and stuff.

Best thread ever! :)

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 12:19 PM - Post#325847    

• Steve Wedan Said:

Isn't that interesting?! That's exactly the kind of incidental comment I was referring to vis a vie CB's remarks that he would never have known had an measurable impact. Very cool stuff.

I forgot about front squats, goblet squats and attempting Olympic lifts (however sloppy). None of those were in my line-up before you guys talked about them.

Enzymes. I didn't use enzymes. Never paid much attention to fiber, either.

07-19-07 12:25 PM - Post#325854    

EVERYTHING! really, everything. before IOL, i was dependent on the Weider empire for my training information.

i'm back to basics, which i wouldn't have done. i'm doing deep squats and deadlifts and lifting heavier. i wouldn't have tried strongman or powerlifting.

i wouldn't be eating as healthy as i am.

i wouldn't have had the framework to finally figure out what i can eat and can't and commit to eating things that contribute to my training rather than detracting.

i wouldn't have all of you as such cool, wonderful, supportive, super-incredible friends.

BEAST MODE. NOW.

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 12:27 PM - Post#325857    

• Laree Said:

One little note that stuck with me was about gloves for lifting. CB (again) pointed out in order to increase grip strength, gloves are not the best idea. Saved myself the dollars and didn't buy gloves.

Still Lots to Learn ------------------------- ----------------- Life's short, take lots of pictures. ------------------------- ----------------- It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - Neil Armstrong

07-19-07 01:01 PM - Post#325873    

Myself, I've learned alot about diet that I have applied to my everyday life. Learned alot about weightlifting that I'll never do because I've learned of the injuries others have endured doing these exercises and hopefully I will learn from their mistakes and that is worth much. Also, that there are others out there that share the same interests and experiences.

For he today that sheds his blood with mine, shall forever be my brother.

07-19-07 01:40 PM - Post#325921    

The Gironda training logs attracted my attention. I adapted more of his routines and exercises and made a few diet changes. All for the better.

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 02:03 PM - Post#325936    

As Michelle said, EVERYTHING.

If I had not joined IOL I would most likely still be fighting my weight and forcing my exercise. My exercise is now exciting and a joy and I enjoy my food without guilt and my weight is stable without fighting.

I found IOL after I had lost 50 pounds and realized I was going to have to live a changed life if I wanted to keep the weight off. I had been swimming, elipitical, walking, and doing 10 reps on each of the machines my gym had. I had no idea about free weights, names of exercises or muscles, goals, or purpose of what I was doing.

IOL was so very kind, helpful, and encouraging to me as I asked very dumb questions. There are many who have been very helpful and encouraging but anyone who knows me, knows it is Dan Martin who changed my life. I will forever be grateful to him.

A few things I have learned.
- Train, eat, rest.
- As much as you can, as often as you can, as fresh as you can.
- Pull, press, squat.
- Compound exercises.
- Alternate periods of focus on conditioning with periods of focus on strength.
- Form over numbers.
- What's your hurry?
- A purpose for everything.
- Why not just enjoy the training?
- Stay a little hungry.
- Intensity.
- Listen to your body.

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 02:10 PM - Post#325939    

I really enjoyed reading yalls posts. Laree, i'm amazed to discover that this board has affected you in much the same way it has affected the rest of us. I've been influenced greatly by this board and the ideals of its members. Around my town, we are a football and sportloving community. Us kids take a lotta pressure to win things. This past season, my team went all the way to the state championship. Of course, steroid use is even rampant among youngsters. I see it all the time. Before this site, I can't tell you how close I was to giving the stuff a shot. How foolish and selfish it was, but true. This site really shaped my outlook on training and nutrition. Steroids aren't even a consideration anymore. The friendships I've made here at IOL are priceless and much appreciated. Another way this site has made an impact on me is the opportunity to meet one of my heroes, Mr. Dave Draper. What an honor that truly was! That meeting changed my life. He was a down-to-earth, friendly, caring guy in spite of his prestigious awards on the bodybuilding stage and his status in the weightlifting world. A lot of today's stars do not reflect such qualities and I will never forget how kind Dave was to me. Wherever life takes me, I know I can never be too successful to stop and take the time to talk with admirers( HA if i ever get any). Thanks Laree for this wonderful site. And thanks to all the members for being a part of it.

Have Bucket. Will Travel... R.I.P. Kris. "If you train hard, you'll not only be hard, you'll be hard to beat."

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 02:25 PM - Post#325945    

• Longhorn1rob Said:

Wow, Robbie, that's really nice!

I took a picture of that meeting, I don't know if you remember. I knew I should have taken two shots because I *really* wanted that one to turn out. Alas, you were looking off at who-knows-what over to the left, Cajin acting up, probably, and Dave had his eyes closed. I had hoped to surprise you with a print in the mail, but instead trashed the image before embarrassing all three of us. Sorry about that one, big disappointment to me.

Let me add to the long list of changes brought on by IOL: Pulling at least 2:1 over pushing. I used to skip the pulling because I don't like it as well. um... right.

I hope CB happens along on this thread. He'll be happily startled to see the affect a few simple comments have made. This is cool stuff.

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 02:49 PM - Post#325952    

I am really thankful I am here.
One of the most appealing aspects of IOL is the people, the tone, the atmosphere.
Needless to say I learned tons of good stuff.
Most importantly I am still fighting my eating habits, but I hope I can beat them.
It was interesting to discover that my (Russian) couch was doing a lot (all?) things right 20 years ago, so I have decent foundation and technique
I definitely know much more now about proper nutrition, overall importance of weight training and core/stability/posture training.

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 03:16 PM - Post#325967    

The training hows for me were learned through Arnold's book, 'Encyclopedia Of Modern Bodybuilding'.

The whys were learned here.

Dave's writings taught me to look inward and know that inner feeling that you have while training--in and out of the gym. I am more in touch with how my body feels and how it trains than I ever would have been without being on this site. I know how food affects how I feel the next day by reading it here. I learned how to track my diet here. I learned how to cut bodyfat here, and I also learned about what to eat here. I used to eat a whole lot more than I needed and my progress has gone through the roof once I learned about diet here.

But most of all it's the 'follow your nose and listen to how you feel' thing that I most appreciate. The strength that Dave lent me through his writings has been absolutely priceless. I would have thrown the towel into the ring for weightlifting a long time ago if it weren't for this place.

Thanks.

Eric -- Erkmax http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals .html?Owner=erkmax http://www.myspace.com/erkmax

07-19-07 03:19 PM - Post#325968    

So far the changes are greater in my exercising regime. Cut down on isolation and began more compounds, upping the intensity, core training and DL, squatting for joy and profit, getting interested in powerlifting (though probably that's a story for another gym).

Nutrition-wise I saw the need for a balanced nutrition, worked out protein sources and intake and still working on the rest. What I enjoy most is the lack of "you have to buy this to get big" mentality.

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 03:51 PM - Post#325979    

I agree with Michelle and Vicki....EVERYTHING!!!

It all started after reading an excert from "Brother Iron Sister Steel" in Flex magazine several years ago....then joined up to the forum after getting the book for x-mas that year.....

I would never be where I am at muscle wise if not for IOL....Learning about the heavy compact moves, I believe are what made the difference, but also learning about so many other interesting types of training, so boredom never sets in!!!!

Also, life would have been so lonley without all of my IOL family around for the last 3 or 4 years....being single for most of that time with no family near, it really made a difference in my life!!!Thanks Ya'll!!!

Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated!!!

07-19-07 04:53 PM - Post#326015    

Geez, I can't stop.

I wouldn't have a foam roller if Dan hadn't posted about that, and Byron hadn't followed up (that's a duo that gets a lot of play around here, isn't it?).

This isn't training or diet related, but another area of influence on me, reading the well-written posts of Steve, Wicked, Bill2, KO, Trance, Byron and others (uh oh, shouldn't have started naming names, have for certain skipped over an important one), reminded me to slow down and consider my words. I'd gotten pretty lazy in my writing over the years, and you guys tuned me up.

Guy's wife, Cheryl, taught me to edit. Man, she's good, saved my tail when we first started publishing.

Other things life-changing include inspiration on days when I felt crummy for no good reason. After dropping by here and seeing people train on through real problems, I always felt better, recharged.

Oh, and the grins! Truly can't begin to say how much you all have added to my life, now that I've opened the door to introspection.

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 05:11 PM - Post#326028    

The discussion on IOL made me realize that there's such a thing as nutrition - and that healthy eating doesn't mean counting calories and picking at tasteless stuff.

IOL is responsible for my knowledge -as little as there is- about training. It's either been a source of direct information or a push in the right direction.

It's an accountability tool - my workouts have become much more structured and consistent since I've been posting them.

And finally IOL is a great place for (mostly) like-minded people to gather and to be there for each other.

I guess what I'm saying is simply "Thank you"!

Normal is overrated.

07-19-07 05:34 PM - Post#326040    

I'm new around here, but Dave's training articles have had a big impact on me in two ways.

To begin with, I was into bodybuilding a little over 25 years ago, did it for 5 years, took a 10 year layoff, then got into powerlifting and "performance training" for the past seven years. Began to read some of the articles here and it made me remember how much I used to love to superset, tri-set, etc. I became a "bomber" again, and it really made me realize that this type of training is what I love. Bombing and blitzing, moving quickly, stay out of my way, I'm having a ball kinda training with each good workout being it's own reward.

Which leads to what makes Dave's writing so special (and also the second way I've been impacted). His sheer love for training comes right through the computor screen and reminded me of how I used to feel training, but thought I never would again. Training for me had become a drudgery, with the only worthwhile aspect being those times when I would be able to add a little weight to the bar. Again, somehow Dave reminded me of a time when my workout was the highlight of my day, something i woke up looking forward to and something that gave me intense and personal satisfaction. This gave me the desire to make whatever changes in mindset and methodology nessesary to recapture this. I've succeeded, thanks in most part to this site.

07-19-07 05:50 PM - Post#326051    

There is so much - but off the top of my head - from either "Your Body Revival" or "BISS" - I learned to do abs FIRST - otherwise, I'd find some reason not to do them, I think - and I like Dave's way of using the Smith machine to put the feet up for crunches - been awhile since I did that.

I remember Kristi's ramp up to her 200 lb. (?) Deadlift (?)- and the wonderful feeling when the banner went up that she'd met her goal.

Dan Martin's Graded Exercise Protocol....

CB's chocolate covered espresso beans - a satisfying and modest dietary indulgence...

Lori's lawnmowing and yardwork as exercise.....

Wicked Willy's grip work - that thread really impressed on me the importance of grip.

There's SO MUCH......these are just offa the top of my head.

07-19-07 06:49 PM - Post#326071    

training wise not muc besides keeping a log. I feel a bit more accountable for bad workouts and get a better workout in from seeing the support I get than if I didnt belong here.

Diet wise, nothing has changed, I still sniff around the ice box complainint I dont get enough to eat.

The biggest thing is seeing that there are others that are genuinely interested in the same thing I am and share my interests.

different people, different methods all aiming towards the same goal...life long fitness. Interesting to see the different home gyms that people call their slice of heaven(or hell).

Women that show that fitness does not take a back seat to their life and sacrifice down time to make it happen.(Lori, Loya, Debbi, Lisa, Delphene, Karen, Sarah, Ingred, ect)

Men and women older than me to show that there is super fit life after 50 if you want it bad enough.(Judge, Willie, DaveD, Gary, ect).

Men and women like Col. Dave, Cody, Cory, Army mom that stay fit in the worst of conditions and make use of what they have to do so.

People that give freely of their knowledge and experience, helping those that are down as well as cheering on the ones that are happy.

"no hell, no high water, no drama, just preform your art." Kim Frazier Desire, Dedication, Discipline

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 07:15 PM - Post#326079    

When I first discovered IOL I asked the question if it were possible for someone in their late 50's to expect to be able to add muscular weight and improve their strength. Everyone here knows the answer to that question but I did not. I've read about so many success stories about PRs that it encourages me to keep trying to improve myself. Since I've joined this forum I workout 3 or 4 times per week on a regular basis. This is after a prolonged "layoff" of over 30 years (I know how could anyone be so stupid I've also recovered from a serious fall in which I separated my shoulder and broke my collar bone along with 3 ribs. My recovery was aided by Laree pointing me to articles that Dave wrote about his recovery from some injuries, as well as advice from folks on this forum. The knowledge and fellowship we share on this forum is invaluable. Thank you Laree and Dave for allowing such an opportunity.

Keep Pumping R.I.P. Jesse Marunde

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 08:06 PM - Post#326095    

Aw, Laree. Of course, I remember the photo. I wish we could've stayed the extra day. I've been waiting for you to mention the photo ever since. Haha!! I wish it had turned out as well. Oh well, it just gives me an excuse to come up to California to get a retake sometime!!

Btw, when this thread starts to die down, maybe itd be a good one to throw into the archives. Seems like a thread most of us won't soon forget.

Have Bucket. Will Travel... R.I.P. Kris. "If you train hard, you'll not only be hard, you'll be hard to beat."

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 08:07 PM - Post#326097    

More protein on the training table. More focus in the gym. More confidence in my abilities. Stronger grip, back, legs. Knowledge is power. Power is cool.'Your Body Revival' hit me between the eyes when I needed hit between the eyes. It's still on my nightstand, dog-eared and bookmarked.

As you get older it is harder to have heroes, but it is sort of necessary. Ernest Hemingway

07-19-07 08:25 PM - Post#326105    

Well, even though I'm back from a layoff, what changed for me :

Lost the gloves
Lost the weightbelt
Lowered the reps and upped the weight (I was doing 3x15s only before.)
Learned to Squat
Started eating more freaquently with smaller portions. (Won't claim good diet, but better.)
Bought a home gym setup!

I like bananas.

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-19-07 08:47 PM - Post#326110    

Because of the encouagement I've received from my dear friends here on IOL, confidence in my physical prowess has increased exponentially. The resultant man-on-a-mission attitude is reflected not only in the gym, but in my private life and profession as well. I came here a burnt out old man ready to be put out to pasture. Now I'm a burnt out old man ready to take on anything. Thanks, everyone.

Be strong. Be in shape. Be a man among men, regardless of your age or circumstances.

07-19-07 09:24 PM - Post#326124    

My training hadn't really changed.
One thing that stands out for me is values, without that I don't have something to fall back on when times are tough. You,(Laree) and Dave have bucket loads of it. And it filters through.
Byron has helped me to be a little more open to other protocols.
Dan for me just epitomizes the lifting culture and ranks with L and D in the Values department.
And I've had the oppurtunity to make some fantatastic friendships here.
Not really that sort of related I guess, but there is more to lifting to me than just, lifting and diet

Nice legs-shame about the face

07-19-07 09:30 PM - Post#326129    

IOL gave me backup. Let me explain. I started lifting in the mid 1960's and I don't lift too much differently now. I have tried a lot of approaches over time and always seem to fall back to simple free weight work and a few machines that were not available when I started. Before IOL I felt kinda out on my own. Not too many guys in my gym that were my age lifted like I did. I had a few injuries and the doc's always said that lifting "heavy weights" (I wish!) was not a good idea. (In fact I am taking p.t. for some back issues and when I told the p.t. about my deadlifting.......a lot of rolled eyeballs). IOL put me in touch with "older" lifters who still gave a good solid effort in the gym. The depth of informed opinion that this web site has provided me has been priceless.

Yours in Iron, Tom "....'cause she knowed he had a Mercury......" Steve Miller "Your work is to discover your world and then with all your heart give yourself to it." Buddha

07-19-07 10:02 PM - Post#326140    

Wow.

Those of you who don't have a training log or hang around the log pages much are really missing a big part of the camaraderie picture. Support there is spelled in capital letters as a big group of people click back and forth between the logs to lend support, offer applause for a PR breakthrough or a needed kick in the pants.

And of course all the faces of the people from the various bash and event get-togethers, and the avatar faces as well as the images I've created in my head for those of you who don't have avatars or who don't use real names (these images can be kind of wacky), all of you are with me if I feel like slacking. Heading for the ice cream shop? nuh uh, not with this crowd looking over my shoulder.

07-19-07 10:04 PM - Post#326142    

thats ok Laree...we wont ride you too bad, as long as its chocolate...with chocolate syrup and chocolate chunks in it.....

"no hell, no high water, no drama, just preform your art." Kim Frazier Desire, Dedication, Discipline

07-19-07 10:20 PM - Post#326148    

I will always remember the support I got via PMs and encouraging posts after I had realized how much weight I had allowed to come back on my frame last winter through lousy habits and other reasons. I posted and nervously awaited the reaction of the IOL family. It was soon forthcoming, all of it supportive and concerned. No one turned away. I needed you and there you stood with me. I had been a member here for some time, that day you all became family.

As you get older it is harder to have heroes, but it is sort of necessary. Ernest Hemingway

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-20-07 12:16 AM - Post#326192    

• Longhorn1rob Said:

....Good thinking there Rob. There's is nothing more absurd than high school kids taking steriods at a time when they are already flush with natural testosterone and growth hormone. It just requires very hard lifting, extra protein, and a few basic supplements. And as many others have noted, lifting hard and natural affects the way you conduct the rest of your life - as does the reckless indulgence in steroids and other risky cheaters.

...And regarding you older guys here at IOL [and also Vicki], It is so much fun for me to read that lifters my age and older are still lifting hard. And not just lifting, but expecting a whole lot more from themselves. When most people in their fifties go to a gym, they pick up 10 pound dumbbells or walk on a treadmill. Here on the forum these AARP candidates are upset if they are not lifting like young Rob. It is hilarious, and also very encouraging. Especially when I read about record-holders like Gary Edwards and others. It's just a different world here, and I am happy to be part of it.

"Vinny, Vidi, Vici"

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-20-07 02:02 AM - Post#326211    

There's of course a lot of things I've learned here....the advise that has been freely given or shared changed the way I looked at a quality exercise program. The diet info has allowed me to, however slowly, finally dial in a real working diet I can live with.

Laree, I too jumped on CB's cutting the cream from coffee. Haven't had a drop in mine since he wrote it.

Chris's, "Good Enough Diet" had major impact.

Dan's daily planned attack on his body drilled the idea of "cardio is good" and the effort is healing into me.

Byron, gave his time in PM's to helped me design a training routine that was sensible and goal oriented.

You Laree, helped me to consider tolerance as an alternative.

But, the most important thing that has come from IOL for me is Dave's weekly newletters. I can't, nor would I try to explain in this forum how important they have been to me on a very personal level at times. Even the weeks when there wasn't a "personal" message, it was still there, waiting my reading. I think the newsletter is the thread that binds us all. It's the fabric of the "IOL family".

Much of what IOL has ment to me isn't necessarily about just "Hitting the Weights" it's been more about a life style that is clean, healthy, and disciplined. Better than anything you can carry to the bank.

Art

Edited by Art V on 07-20-07 02:03 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

07-20-07 02:36 AM - Post#326217    

• Quote:

I hate to be negative but I kept a log and what I discovered is that the people using the weight training logs are very clickise. If you examine the logs you will find that most don't have many people posting. It's pretty clear that it helps if you are female. I found that hanging around the log pages was pretty much a waste of time.

07-20-07 06:28 AM - Post#326239    

The motivation I have gained from coming here daily is definitely a turning point in my workouts for me. Never again will I just "go through the motions." After reading Dave's newsletters (sometimes with tears in my eyes), I feel like literally jumping in my car and driving to the gym. (the only thing stopping me is that is it is usually 4:30 in the morning and I really haven't finished my coffee yet, LOL)

This is definitely the best site on the web (IMO). There is no need to go anywhere else for information and inspiration. I have everything I need right here. Thanks Drapers.

"The truth is in the performance of the exercises — the focused exertion applied by the one welding the iron." ~Dave Draper~

07-20-07 06:45 AM - Post#326241    

I know I have changed my view of a lot of things and actually have gone back to being much more willing to try things I had not done.

I thought I had found what worked for me and just needed to keep working at it. IOL has brought me to re-examine what I was sure I knew and look again at things like O lifting and how it might help me.

/sk

07-20-07 06:53 AM - Post#326242    

• LarryKreeger Said:

I mostly don't post in other peoples logs unless they have posted in mine or if i've had a bit of banter with them in other threads. Just feel a bit cheeky jumping into someones workout record. That might give the impression of clickiness but it isn't meant that way.

Best thread ever! :)

07-20-07 08:51 AM - Post#326274    

If I hadn't been reading the forum, I don't think I'd have found within myself the audacity to return to the ballet studio at the age of 47 on the heels of a 15 year layoff. I just knew that I *desperately* wanted to go back to it, and as I read the training logs of the IOL women who were around my age, and saw everything that they were doing, I was able to scratch the last of the excuses off my long list and go back to my dance training. I've been back for almost three years now, and going back has to have been one of the single best decisions that I've ever made, spiritually *and* physically.


Unfortunately, most (by a *very* wide margin) dance "experts" frown upon training with heavy weights, but deep in my bones I had the feeling that iron would be the perfect complement for my dance training. It was Dave's advice in Body Revival, that the trainee find his/her own way, that allowed me to trust myself and supplement my dancing with weight training, and then with cardio. When I see the wide variety of methods listed in the training logs, it inspires me to try new things too, like dusting off my bicycle or (making an attempt at) running sprints.


I was *thrilled* when I learned about Pudgy Stockton (whom I'd never even heard of until I read about her passing here at IOL) and Relna Brewer. Though I've never seen film of Relna, the little that I've read about her and the few photos that I've seen are proof that her training went a long way toward strengthening her to dance adagio. I keep photos of these ladies in my studio and when I'm thinking of skipping a workout, those photos get me moving toward my weights.


There was a momentous turning point in my training when I attended the 2004 Bash seminar in NYC. At the time, I'd been reading the forum for about a month or so, but I liked what I was reading and Dave was going to be right in the neighborhood and I was intrigued, so I went. Before that seminar, I'd never been around anyone who spoke as passionately about training as Dave, Dr. Ken and Mike Katz. There seemed to be just as much enthusiasm coming from the folks who stood around the gym hanging on every word. I could feel it in the air. It was my first introduction to the athlete's mindset, and it lit a major fire under me. (Most of what they were advising was a far cry from anything I'd learned in the fitness classes at dance studios, and it all wound up working better for me than the dance studio variety of fitness that I'd learned in the 1980's, which consisted of endless cardio and hundreds of reps done with 3 lb. weights.)


Mostly I'll never forget the look on Mike Katz's face and the conviction which rang in his voice when he talked about working through a plateau, and how trainees should understand that maintaining their current fitness level is every bit as crucial as being able to add another plate to the bar. I've had to hold that thought on bad days in the ballet studio, and remind myself that even though I haven't (yet) achieved the "dancer's body", and I can't (yet) get my leg up to 90 degrees in adagio, I've still come a long way from where I was when I was sitting at home wishing that I could go back to the studio.


That day, I knew that I had a *lot* to learn, but I knew that I was going to enjoy every moment of the ride. So far, I have.


The folks at IOL also reassured me that I could get my training done at home with minimal equipment, which is what I do. A gym membership never would have worked for me, but training at home is just perfect.


Five years ago, I never would have believed that body builders and strongmen and women could hold any fascination for me at all. But something made me keep coming back to IOL, day after day after day. I'm really *so* grateful for everything that I've read and learned here. A lot of it has been applicable to my training, but it's also helped me toughen up in day to day life. IOL is an invaluable resource. Dave and Laree, you're the best!


Sorry for the longwinded post. It's just that I rarely post, but I am *so* affected by the things that I read at the IOL forum.


Thanks,
Karen V.

Those who insist that it can't be done should not interrupt those who are busy doing it.

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-20-07 09:28 AM - Post#326298    

• LarryKreeger Said:

I'm so sorry you feel that way, Larry. I had thought we'd done a good job of encouraging you, especially when you posted a PR. Guess I was wrong.

I think for many of us, it's not so much clickishness as gravitating to kindred spirits (those with similar methods and goals) and those with whom we've bonded (through bashes, etc.). You've got to set limits, too, or you'll spend most of your waking hours here.

Take me, for instance. Last year, I was visiting and commenting on a dozen logs daily, twenty-five per week, and thirty-three a month. (Believe it or not, I actually used a spreadsheet.) It became very time consuming, and my wife was having a fit because most of this was time I should have been spending with her. Consequently, I've had to cut it down by two thirds. I think a lot of others have run into similar problems.

I hope you'll reconsider. I miss reading your stuff.

Be strong. Be in shape. Be a man among men, regardless of your age or circumstances.

07-20-07 09:33 AM - Post#326302    

I don't think its cliquish..its just that some folks like each other and their comments.. Often.. the folks who get the most interms of response etc.. are also folks who actively respond and so on...its not a clique..its just friends on line..

07-20-07 09:41 AM - Post#326309    

Larry - I understand where you are coming from. I will say, to echo others, that it is a give and take. If one posts in another's log, they are more likely to reciprocate.

Also - posting in a log is different than looking at it. I look in a lot of logs I don't post in. Always looking to learn, even if I don't actively respond.

You mentioned it helping to be female. That is probably true. However, the lovely Debbi gets a lot of posts in her log because she is very open to posting in other's logs! Again, a give and take....

Keep strong, Larry!

"It is not an uncommon experience for people to talk and argue a great deal about something without anybody bothering to define precisely what it is." - Ross J.S. Hoffman I would like to see the truth clearly before it is too late. - Sartre We must begin by a definition, although definition involves a mental effort and therefore repels. - Hilaire Belloc

Re: What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-20-07 10:09 AM - Post#326333    

• AAnnunz Said:

I absolutely agree with this statement. I also used to spend an incredible amount of time reading every new post in everyone's log, maybe not always posting, but posting more than i do now. i just can't keep up and continue to train, work, read, play. it's not that i don't care, it's just difficult to balance.

some folks seem to spend more time in the logs and some seem to spend more time out in the forum. i get good things from most everyone.

BEAST MODE. NOW.

What's Changed in Your Training and Diet Since IOL
07-20-07 10:26 AM - Post#326339    

• Quote:

Guys don't get me wrong. I'm not saying everyone isn't nice here. I totally understand why. Man there are a huge number of workout logs and I don't think anyone can keep up with them all so everyone posts to their friends logs. I totally understand that. It's just the recommendation to post a log here for encouragment isn't going to work for most people unless they are female. Everyone who posts in the workout area normally only posts to their friends because there are just too many logs so new logs get ignored unless there is something special or interesting about it. I think that if someone wants to keep a workout log they are better off using a slower site with less logs. Just my opinion.

Edited by LarryKreeger on 07-20-07 10:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

07-20-07 10:30 AM - Post#326340    

He he he... I post my log as a record of what i am doing for myself and anyone who might have an interest.. and if someone wants to comment.. encourage.. compliment.. thats a bonus...
If you really want comments or suggestions.. why not make a special request/post on the main discussion board? or..if you value any given person.. e-mail them offline(private topic) directly and ask...? I get lots of stuff in the private topic box...

07-20-07 10:31 AM - Post#326341    

Besides.. girls rule.....

07-20-07 10:45 AM - Post#326345    

I hear what you're saying Larry. I guess it comes down to why you keep a log in the first place. For me, while I always appreciate anyone taking the time to offer encouragement or advice, it's actually the only record I keep of my training. That's one of the main things I've got out of IOL, the accountability factor. Maybe it's a good idea to try and include something of your goals / training methods in the title, rather than just "x's log" so like minded individuals are likely to gravitate towards it, even if you do lack breasts.

If you are in a minority of one, the truth is still the truth (Gandhi).