09-06-08 11:05 AM - Post#480162    

That works. Either vitamins or cod liver oil - not regular fish oil.

Fish oil is high in omega 3 and low in vitamin D. I eat a lot of it.

Cod liver oil is low in omega 3 and high in vitamin D.

You can get it in capsule form, cheap, at walmart. You can get it in liquid form, too. I cannot abide the liquid form.

I don't have a handle on the relative advantages of vitamin pills v. cod liver oil.

jej

09-06-08 11:57 AM - Post#480169    

Here are a couple links regarding the cod liver oil, there are more on this site if you poke around:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/clarif ications.html

(Don't miss the note at the end of that one)

and

http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/codliver-m anufacture.html

The most important test a lifter has to pass is the test of time. -Jon Cole

09-06-08 12:36 PM - Post#480175    

Good articles.

Byron - do you buy that toxicity warning in the note?

jej

09-06-08 02:40 PM - Post#480205    

I like the Weston A. Price site a lot and generally trust the info there, but they do seem to have a bit of a granola-head bias, and may overstate the case against something synthetic.

I am not sure, but I think they are referring to D2 (ergocalciferol) being man made and potentially toxic, versus D3 (cholecalciferol) being natural and safer - but I am not sure. I have seen that kicked around and to tell the truth D2 didn't seem all THAT bad, but what the heck, D3 is readily available so that's what I take.

The Solgar brand A&D that I have been taking specifically says "Vitamin D3 (as cholecalciferol naturally occurring in fish liver oil)". It's inexpensive at the grocery store I go to and I am satisfied it's good stuff.

(In fact, I think these caps might (might) be cod liver oil caps, you could label them "high vitamin cod liver oil" or "vitamin A & D in a cod liver oil base" and both are accurate.)

The most important test a lifter has to pass is the test of time. -Jon Cole

12-02-08 01:15 PM - Post#506765    

More on D:

December 9, 2008
Journal of American College of Cardiology

Vitamin D deficiency is a highly prevalent condition, present in approximately 30% to 50% of the general population. A growing body of data suggests that low 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels may adversely affect cardiovascular health. Vitamin D deficiency activates the renin-angiotensin-aldoste rone system and can predispose to hypertension and left ventricular hypertrophy. Additionally, vitamin D deficiency causes an increase in parathyroid hormone, which increases insulin resistance and is associated with diabetes, hypertension, inflammation, and increased cardiovascular risk. Epidemiologic studies have associated low 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels with coronary risk factors and adverse cardiovascular outcomes. Vitamin D supplementation is simple, safe, and inexpensive. Large randomized controlled trials are needed to firmly establish the relevance of vitamin D status to cardiovascular health. In the meanwhile, monitoring serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels and correction of vitamin D deficiency is indicated for optimization of musculoskeletal and general health.

From here:
http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/abstract/ 52/24/1949

12-02-08 01:58 PM - Post#506787    

Drink more milk...
http://vitamind.ucr.edu/milk.html

12-02-08 03:42 PM - Post#506825    

Dorothy bone doc had her take a scrip of one 50'000 iu tab once a week for 8 weeks. Then she has to take one 1,000 iu D-3 daily. I ask the doc about toxic from D. She said if that was so the human race would have wiped out a long time ago. I'm to take the same as Dorothy daily dose.

It don't matter

12-02-08 03:44 PM - Post#506826    

I'm taking roughly 4-5K units daily, just as insurance.

Wicked

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12-02-08 03:50 PM - Post#506830    

Good move WW.

It don't matter

12-02-08 04:09 PM - Post#506838    

From the Mayo Clinic:
Adults (over 18 years old)

Vitamin D is included in most multivitamins, usually in strengths from 50 IU to 1,000 IU as softgels, capsules, tablets, and liquids. The Adequate Intake (AI) levels have been established by the U.S. Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences. Recommendations are: 5 micrograms (200 IU or International Units) daily for all individuals (males, female, pregnant/lactating women) under the age of 50 years-old. For all individuals from 50-70 years-old, 10 micrograms daily (400 IU) is recommended. For those who are over 70 years-old, 15 micrograms daily (600 IU) is suggested. Some authors have questioned whether the current recommended adequate levels are sufficient to meet physiological needs, particularly for individuals deprived of regular sun exposure. The upper limit (UL) for vitamin D has been recommended as 2,000 IU daily due to toxicities that can occur when taken in higher doses.

Not all doses have been found effective for conditions that have been studied. However, ergocalciferol has been used in an oral dose of 400 to 800 IU per day (sometimes higher doses are used in conjunction with calcium) for osteoporosis prevention and treatment.

Calcitriol has been used in an initial oral dose of 0.25 micrograms per day; dosing may be increased by 0.25 micrograms per day at four to eight week intervals in patients with hypocalcemia from chronic dialysis.

Dihydrotachysterol has been used in an oral initial dose of 750 micrograms (0.75 milligrams) to 2.5 milligrams per day for several days for the treatment of hypoparathroidism. A maintenance dose is typically 200 micrograms (0.2 milligrams) to 1 milligram per day. Ergocalciferol has also been used in an oral dose of 50,000 to 200,000 IU units daily concomitantly with calcium lactate 4 grams, six times per day.

Rickets may be treated gradually over several months or in a single day's dose. Gradual dosing may be 125-250 micrograms (5,000-10,000 IU) taken daily for two to three months, until recovery is well established and alkaline phosphatase blood concentration is close to normal limits. Single-day dosing may be 15,000 micrograms (600,000 IU) of vitamin D, taken by mouth divided into four to six doses. Intramuscular injection is also an alternative for single-day dosing. For resistant rickets, some authors suggest a higher dose of 12,000 to 500,000 IU per day, although this has not yet been proven effective.



Not all doses have been found effective for conditions that have been studied. However, for hypoparathyroidism, ergocalciferol has been used orally in an initial dose of 8,000 units per kilogram per day for one to two weeks. For maintenance, a dose of 2,000 units per kilogram per day has been used.

Rickets may be treated gradually over several months or in a single day's dose. Based on one clinical trial, a single dose of 600,000 IU of oral vitamin D3 was comparable to a dose of 20,000 IU per day of oral vitamin D3 for 30 days. Gradual dosing may be 125-250 micrograms (5000-10,000 IU) taken daily for two to three months, until recovery is well established and alkaline phosphatase blood concentration is close to normal limits. Single-day dosing may be 15,000 micrograms (600,000 IU) of vitamin D, taken by mouth divided into 4-6 doses. Intramuscular injection is also an alternative for single-day dosing. For resistant rickets, some authors suggest a higher dose of 12,000 to 500,000 IU per day.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not strictly regulate herbs and supplements. There is no guarantee of strength, purity or safety of products, and effects may vary. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, you should speak with a qualified healthcare provider before starting a new therapy. Consult a healthcare provider immediately if you experience side effects.
Allergies

Avoid or use caution with known hypersensitivity to vitamin D or any of its analogues and derivatives.


Side Effects and Warnings

Vitamin D is generally well tolerated in recommended "Adequate Intake (AI)" doses. One study found a greater likelihood of daytime sleepiness for patients given vitamin D analogues.

Vitamin D toxicity can result from regular excess intake of this vitamin, and may lead to hypercalcemia and excess bone loss. Individuals at particular risk include those with hyperparathyroidism, kidney disease, sarcoidosis, tuberculosis, or histoplasmosis. Chronic hypercalcemia may lead to serious or even life-threatening complications, and should be managed by a physician. Early symptoms of hypercalcemia may include nausea, vomiting, and anorexia (appetite/weight loss), followed by polyuria (excess urination), polydipsia (excess thirst), weakness, fatigue, somnolence, headache, dry mouth, metallic taste, vertigo, tinnitus (ear ringing), and ataxia (unsteadiness). Kidney function may become impaired, and metastatic calcifications (calcium deposition in organs throughout the body) may occur, particularly affecting the kidneys. Treatment involves stopping the intake of vitamin D or calcium, and lowering the calcium levels under strict medical supervision, with frequent monitoring of calcium levels. Acidification of urine and corticosteroids may be necessary.

12-02-08 04:20 PM - Post#506841    

Linus pauling Institute:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/v itaminD/

Toxicity discussed near the end..

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
12-02-08 04:41 PM - Post#506845    

Toxicity ? Best never go out in the sun naked. (Naked, that's without clothes on Gary)

It don't matter

12-02-08 04:49 PM - Post#506850    

• cajinjohn Said:

Yep.. Toxic to the minds eye....

12-05-08 11:26 AM - Post#507708    

Zinc is the next big deficiency to come to our attention.

It don't matter

12-05-08 11:58 AM - Post#507728    

• cajinjohn Said:

Before or after iodine?

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
12-05-08 12:50 PM - Post#507755    

I can remember back in the 60's Vince Gironda told me to take iodine supps. He told me to use sea weed supps to get it plus other things that were in sea weed. Jacks Health Food store just down the road from Vince's had all of these things. They had supps that I have never seen since.

It don't matter

12-10-08 09:34 AM - Post#509117    

Just thought of it "KELP"

It don't matter

02-25-09 11:15 AM - Post#531171    

Vitamin D and the common cold

After adjustment for demographic and other characteristics, those whose vitamin D levels were lowest experienced a 36 greater risk of URTI, and those whose levels were 10 to less than 30 ng/mL experienced a 24 percent greater risk compared with participants whose levels were at least 30 ng/mL. The association was significantly stronger for those with asthma.

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
02-25-09 11:20 AM - Post#531175    

Most people aren't zinc deficient. Magnesium, on the other hand...

Best thing for the common cold is sulfur, found in onions and eggs. Omelet anyone?

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03-11-09 09:12 AM - Post#534785    

I hope this actually adds to the discussion....
I am a person who lives and works at night. I decided to try the tanning at the gym. It's doing me a ton of good. Especially during winter. There is one other guy who is big like many of you. He lifts heavy weights and lives like I do. We both work 12 hour shifts and live 15 days off every month at night. Even he said he is impressed at how much that tanning booth does for him.
I know we could take vitamin D. Obviously had a need for it. But that won't thaw you out when it's 20 below zero outside.

Ron When being chased by a bear...You don't have to outrun the bear... You just have to outrun the other guy.

03-11-09 09:16 AM - Post#534787    

It might make sense from a vitamin D perspective but does it make sense from a skin cancer perspective?

The most important test a lifter has to pass is the test of time. -Jon Cole

03-11-09 09:23 AM - Post#534790    

Gee ccrow.... skin cancer comes from overdoing it.
If you had seen me before. Then look at me now. It has done a ton of good for my skin. Everyone who hasn't seen me in a while says: "You've been tanning!" It has seriously done my skin good. I look much better. Not that looks matter to me.

Ron When being chased by a bear...You don't have to outrun the bear... You just have to outrun the other guy.

03-11-09 09:25 AM - Post#534793    

You might want to look into that - looking better is not necessarily healthier, ESPECIALLY when it comes to skin.

The most important test a lifter has to pass is the test of time. -Jon Cole

03-11-09 09:52 AM - Post#534806    

I have seen more than a couple of skin docs in my day. The were all dead set against tanning booths. They claimed the long term effects were quite negative. Of course, they see people like me on a daily basis..........who have had lots of skin cancers that did not develop until years after exposure. Skin type is, in my way of thinking, the greatest determinate of risk given equal exposure.

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03-11-09 10:37 AM - Post#534836    

The difference between medicine and poison is the dosage. How much sunshine or artificial tanning is or is not harmful is not precisely known. What is the spectum being used? Intensity? Duration? And so on.

03-11-09 10:39 AM - Post#534837    

• Stan Jaffin Said:

Kinda like smoking cigarettes in a way.. eh?

05-23-09 01:12 PM - Post#554438    

Dr Mike Eades is recommending high dose vitamin K to reduce fracture incidence in menopausal women -- high = K1 up to 5 mg/day; K2 up to 45 mg/day, per the doc.

http://www.nrjournal.com/article/S0271-5317(09 )00057-8/abstract

05-24-09 08:45 AM - Post#554562    

Next time you're at the grocery store, take a look at all the food stuffs that have the Vitamin D content front and center on the label.

Mark it Zero.

05-27-09 10:15 AM - Post#555265    

More on Vitamin K:

Supplements of vitamin K1, also known as phylloquinone, may slow hardening of the arteries in people already suffering from the condition, says a new study from the US.

Subjects receiving a daily vitamin K1 plus multivitamin supplement experienced six per cent less progression of coronary artery calcification (CAC), or hardening of the arteries that leads to atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease, people receiving only the multivitamin.

Click to read more...

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
06-21-09 11:41 AM - Post#561579    

Vitamin D and Vitamin K Team Up to Lower CVD Risk

Part I of this review, Vitamin D Deficiency – a Non-Traditional Risk Factor for Cardiovascular Disease -- summarized current research linking vitamin D deficiency to cardiovascular disease, the physiological mechanisms underlying vitamin D's cardiovascular effects, and leading vitamin D researchers' recommendations for significantly higher supplemental doses of the pro-hormone. Read Part I: Vitamin D Deficiency – a Non-Traditional Risk Factor for Cardiovascular Disease

Part II, The Vitamin K Connection to Cardiovascular Health, reviews the ways in which vitamin K regulates calcium utlization, preventing vascular and soft tissue calcification while complimenting the bone-building actions of vitamin D, and also discusses vitamin K safety and dosage issues, and the necessity of providing vitamin K and vitamin A along with vitamin D to preclude adverse effects associated with hypervitaminosis D.

07-02-09 08:55 AM - Post#563782    

There was a blurb in today's paper that mentioned sun screen as a Vitamin D deficiency culprit.

Mark it Zero.

07-07-09 09:18 AM - Post#564753    

I know skin cancer...skin cancer...skin cancer....but my Arthritis went thru the roof after I moved away from my tanning bed and stopped enjoying the sun like a used too....coincidence or not?...who knows....

I still enjoy the sun....I think after sun care helps incredibly!!

Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated!!!

07-07-09 09:28 AM - Post#564758    

• Amazonblonde Said:

Just have someone (your md or a dermatologist) give you a good look-see once or twice a year. Don't eff around with skin cancer.

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09-23-09 10:21 AM - Post#579605    

Byron sent me a link a while back; I don't think it's been posted in this thread or discussed here yet. A lipid specialist has noticed the increase of Vitamin D offers a marked increase in HDL cholesterol.

Vitamin D and HDL

01-27-10 11:57 AM - Post#602345    

Per Charles Poliquin:
“Vitamin D3 may be the single most important supplement we can take for our health.”

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Ar ticles/Article.aspx?ID=230

01-27-10 01:21 PM - Post#602355    

D3 everyday for Dorothy and I.

It don't matter

01-28-10 12:56 PM - Post#602584    

Lots and lots and LOTS more on D here:

http://www.omega-research.com/research.php?catid=13

02-05-10 12:39 AM - Post#603944    

Started taking DIII last August, and haven't been sick since. I take 2,000 - 4,000 IU daily and it works. There is some concern about elevated calcium levels in the blood if you take too much D. I had mine (blood calcium level)checked this week and it is in the normal range.

I've read that one can get 20,000 IU of DIII from the sun in a day, so I think it's hard to overdose by taking the amount that I do. However, when I'm out in the sun in the summer I probably won't need to supplement.

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Re: Vit d3
02-07-10 08:55 AM - Post#604281    

Hey

Hey all I'm new on here first post...

Charles Poliquin has some interesting research on vitamin D3 specifically, and says that 1 dose of 20,000 to 40,000 Iu twice per week is more effective at raising D3 levels than the regular dose of 2-3 caps per day it may say on the label.

Dan John also mentioned something similar on the philosophy of strength training about taking omega oils until you get the runs then drop the dosage by one cap or so....

Both could be useful in the Winter/less sunlight months here in the UK (I missed summer last year I was working that day!)

T

Re: Vit d3
09-11-10 06:03 PM - Post#646331    

Looks like Vitamin D also plays a role in brain development.

This is a very interesting finding:

Schizophrenia and Neonatal Vitamin D

Performance, Health, and Longevity

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
09-12-10 12:15 PM - Post#646397    

I have been taking D 50,000 one time a week, for 12 weeks...Then will have a blood panel done fasting...It is still 8 weeks away...
Does not mention D3 just D...

One thing I have noticed when in sun (garden no shirt) I get red, pretty quick, no discomfort though...

Gary

"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - "I don't mean to be rude, but...junk is for jerks" "No pain, no gain' isn’t a nursery rhyme, and 'only the strong survive" ...Etc... Had to put in this quote... Current Quote "Eat better, train harder, be tougher, think surer and rest morer." ~ Draper Dave Draper **** Age 73 Semper Fi... GAB

Re: Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
11-10-10 10:39 AM - Post#659197    

Now that winter is sneaking up on us I have started increasing my D3 supplementation. Shorter days and more covering up of the skin to ward off the cold means our bodies are producing less of the stuff. Just a precaution.

Performance, Health, and Longevity

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
11-11-10 04:16 PM - Post#659486    

I again got the ok to go for 50,000 a week of D for 12 weeks with a test at the end, would like to end up in the 50 area or more...

What is interesting is D is a hormone not a vitamin...It is part and partial with the other hormones T-E-etc. in keeping you in good shape...

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endoc rine/otherendo/vitamind.html

Gary

"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - "I don't mean to be rude, but...junk is for jerks" "No pain, no gain' isn’t a nursery rhyme, and 'only the strong survive" ...Etc... Had to put in this quote... Current Quote "Eat better, train harder, be tougher, think surer and rest morer." ~ Draper Dave Draper **** Age 73 Semper Fi... GAB

01-07-11 01:01 AM - Post#669086    

Vitamin D deficiency has been linked to mortality, heart attacks, aging and more. Vitamin D deficiency, which is often seen in post-menopausal women and older men. Elderly persons suffering from a vitamin D deficiency are likely to experience muscle weakness. A deficiency of vitamin D can lead to soft bones or rickets.

One Week Diet

02-10-11 02:12 PM - Post#675302    

Here's a terrific overview of the new suggestions for Vitamin D, plus a bit about adding Vitamin K to the mix. We haven't talked about that, as far as I remember.

http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/vitamin -d-and-vitamin-k-team-up- to-lower-cvd-risk-part-I/

02-10-11 02:36 PM - Post#675309    

So if a vitamin acts as a hormone then does that mean that supplementing with too much of it can harm your natural production, like Testosterone?

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Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
02-10-11 02:40 PM - Post#675310    

I am now taking 10,000 a day of D3 with a test at end of Feb...

Regarding T and D...

D is unique because sun has a lot to do with it...Pretty complicated...The d3 is better than d2 they are finding out now...

If you supplement T it will mess with pituitary, and not send signal for it to be made in your own system, where sun will still help you make D...

Gary

"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - "I don't mean to be rude, but...junk is for jerks" "No pain, no gain' isn’t a nursery rhyme, and 'only the strong survive" ...Etc... Had to put in this quote... Current Quote "Eat better, train harder, be tougher, think surer and rest morer." ~ Draper Dave Draper **** Age 73 Semper Fi... GAB

Edited by Gabster on 02-10-11 07:51 PM. Reason for edit: added in T &D mention

Vitamin D: Deficiency and health
02-25-11 11:33 AM - Post#677831    

Lab test, results came in today...

D is at 45, that is a good climb imho...I have been doing the D3 5000 morning and night, K 1 and 2 also, 1000 per...

Will see Dr. next week for consult...

Note...
A few months ago I was below 30 by a few numbers took my first 50,000 for 12 weeks, went up to 38, did it again, 50,000 for 12 weeks D2...Dropped back to 30...Went on the 10,000 daily D3 and now am at 45...It is a classic situation I have read...D2 is a no no, go with D3 only...Age is a major player here...

Gary

"I live, I lift, I ache, I am." - "I don't mean to be rude, but...junk is for jerks" "No pain, no gain' isn’t a nursery rhyme, and 'only the strong survive" ...Etc... Had to put in this quote... Current Quote "Eat better, train harder, be tougher, think surer and rest morer." ~ Draper Dave Draper **** Age 73 Semper Fi... GAB