I have, I think, all of his books. He has materials on Tabata, gut biome, quick workouts, IF, and this newer one (I think!).

Certainly, he takes what the researchers say and makes it palatable.

I've been on 16/8 pretty often - several days per week - and it keeps me within 5-6kg of my ideal weight, despite all kinds of after-dinner indulgence. What will be new for us, and interesting, is eliminating carbs, and seeing if this "ketosis" thing happens.

Day 1 was pretty easy - mid-morning omelette with spinach and mushrooms; ten almonds after a run; and a really delicious meal at a local Turkish restaurant, just no bread to mop the sauce up!

I fought the battle of the bulge my entire life until, I started a an almost exclusively beef and egg diet. It is great. At 65 a just keep slowly losing eight and gaining muscle. I don't remember when I felt this good.
Good luck to you,
Jim

Mosley has good intentions, but notice he never follows up 12 months later to see how they're going. There's a reason for that.

That's an interesting insight.

When I was young, men used to stick out their bellies to delight children on the beach (I have pictures of my family doing this).

However, everyone in the pictures is lean. And, compared to 2022, in great shape.

No diets. Certainly, no exercise for these WWII vets!

Yet, everyone is relatively lean.

I like your point, Jordan...it constantly keeps earholing on me: how did we all just get so fat.

In 500 years, teens will shrug and say: "It was the X." I wish I knew, with confidence, what the X is now.

Plastic?
Frankenfoods?
????

Hi all. Checking in after one week.

Yesterday we had people round, I "took a break" and ate 3 small pieces of bread (we did burgers). Today Karma smote me - a piece of mackerel at 2pm, a 7 mile run at 5pm, and somehow I had gained 1.5kg. I thought I was stably 2 kilos down, and hope I still am in the morning. (Note next morning: phew, back at 74.9)

Apart from that, what I have noticed:

1. this is SOOO much easier than all other diets I tried. Eating nice food, generally feeling full even on 1000 calories a day.
2. Energy levels even all day, in a way I never experienced before.
3. no "keto flu", hunger pangs or anything
4. Running or any metabolic exercise is hard; slow at the time, and takes 2x longer to recover. I might adapt, but not a diet for an athlete.

Tomorrow night will be a break; I will be celebrating the possibility that the UK becomes a democracy again. Thereafter we have a week on the road across Europe to where we holiday. In the past this was "high risk time" with a lot of junk, pastries, bakeries etc, but we reckon we can go 16/8 and keto until evening, and then have a drink or two. So, one more week to go. Then it's holiday time - hopefully a bit slimmer - and the start of a bit of a "training camp".

• Old Miler Said:

good luck with the diet, i find the 16/8 is the way to go too and allows for some booze!

As for ' I will be celebrating the possibility that the UK becomes a democracy again' - the Electrical Commission declared the election fair, where you impeded from voting? or just 'sore' with the democratic process witch didn't align to your perspective.

Hi all. Checking in after one week.

Yesterday we had people round, I "took a break" and ate 3 small pieces of bread (we did burgers). Today Karma smote me - a piece of mackerel at 2pm, a 7 mile run at 5pm, and somehow I had gained 1.5kg. I thought I was stably 2 kilos down, and hope I still am in the morning. (Note next morning: phew, back at 74.9)

Apart from that, what I have noticed:

1. this is SOOO much easier than all other diets I tried. Eating nice food, generally feeling full even on 1000 calories a day.
2. Energy levels even all day, in a way I never experienced before.
3. no "keto flu", hunger pangs or anything
4. Running or any metabolic exercise is hard; slow at the time, and takes 2x longer to recover. I might adapt, but not a diet for an athlete.

Tomorrow night will be a break; I will be celebrating the possibility that the UK becomes a democracy again. Thereafter we have a week on the road across Europe to where we holiday. In the past this was "high risk time" with a lot of junk, pastries, bakeries etc, but we reckon we can go 16/8 and keto until evening, and then have a drink or two. So, one more week to go. Then it's holiday time - hopefully a bit slimmer - and the start of a bit of a "training camp".

We'd all like to feel unique and special and have someone or something else to blame. Yes, all that other stuff does matter. But you should still eat like an adult. Doing a starvation diet and breaking it in the first week isn't it.

Our genetics and circumstances influence us, but do not determine us. What to do is simple, it is not easy. Our genetics and circumstances influence how easy it is, but it's not truly easy for anyone.

If you've been obese, in pain, with bad relationships, in a job you hate, etc, for twenty years, reassess.

It's medium hilarious that people are so against doing a PSMF for two weeks on THIS forum, considering Dan himself did exactly that this year.

You know, the person who coined the phrase 'eat like an adult'.

The X is likely to be more than one thing. A 100 calorie per day excess (small slice of bread) leads to approx 8 lb weight gain per year. That is only a 5% overage. Tight tolerances. Small perturbations in that energy balance system can have huge impacts over a 10 year period. Combine that with more sitting and less activity overall and it’s easy to tilt the balance to fat gain. We keep looking for big things but it is likely small things adding up that is the culprit. Really, I am surprised it is not worse.

• Justin Jordan Said:

Then do it. It's a miserable experience. No cheat days, no nuts, cheat meals or Greek Yogurt. You were the one commenting how hard it is for you to lose weight by eating like an adult. Put some money where your keyboard is.

Dan also somehow survived the Velocity Diet in its original form. I can't imagine that has a better than 5% success rate. And those who fail are stuck with expired protein powder.

My weight has been around 210 for a long time.
It should be around 185. I walk or run every day 10 to 15 thousand steps a day . Lift twice a week.
I worked on my house this weekend. I feel great, have energy and take no prescriptions. But I have fat on my stomach. I eat fruit and vegetables every day, drink water. I just can’t keep motivated to diet for more than a few days.breakfast is peanut butter on wheat bread and milk. Lunch beans or soup. Dinner beef and vegetables. In the evening i mix fruit, and milk and chocolate in a blender. I can only drop weight if I am doing a lot of physical work

• BChase Said:

I HAVE done it. And the Velocity Diet, and a bunch of other things.

There's a reasonable chance I'm the most successful 'dieter' here - I've kept off seventyish pounds for more than a decade.

My insight, such as it is, is that basically everyone needs to figure out what works for them, and what helps you lose weight might not be the same as what helped you lose it.

Not everything is sustainable. It doesn't necessarily have to be. The 10K Swing Challenge isn't sustainable (for most mortals), doesn't mean it's not worth doing.

This particular thing has a two week hard period followed by an indefinite period of loss/maintainance? Will it be sustainable for Old Miler?

No clue. Everything works. Nothing works. For me, eating 800 calories twice a week is not a big deal - it'd require no particular amount of mental effort and I'd feel fine.

But I also know for other people it's impossible to make work. I know I can't manage a vegan diet or, for that matter, a straight carnivore diet. But there's people who can.

(In those cases, I'm not sure they SHOULD, necessarily, but almost everything is better than how the average Western person eats)

• Justin Jordan Said:

I agree with everything you say. You have to find what works and what is sustainable. I could never do that diet. Especially the PSMF. For me fasting 38-40 once a week works. For most people, it won't.

Yeah, also: the no overweight people thing is a myth.

People were overall less fat, and a lot less were seriously obese, but the first Atkins book came out fifty years ago, and it sold millions THEN.

Before that was the Drinking Man's Diet, Fletcherizing, you name it. Heck, Banting's Letter On Corpulence, To The Public, sold 63,000 copies in England, in 1863.

Don't get caught in Golden Age fantasies.

• Justin Jordan Said:

Being overweight is not new, but a few decades ago prevalence was close to almost zero.

These pictures ware taken circa 1955.





Ordinary people, who didn’t practice any sport, who didn’t particularly watch their diet (diet? What’s that?) and they are mostly thin (or at the very least, not overweight).

Let’s fast forward a few decades and…





Now even kids are overweight.

I fought the battle of the bulge my entire life until, I started a an almost exclusively beef and egg diet. It is great. At 65 a just keep slowly losing eight and gaining muscle. I don't remember when I felt this good.
Good luck to you,
Jim

Yeah, also: the no overweight people thing is a myth.

People were overall less fat, and a lot less were seriously obese, but the first Atkins book came out fifty years ago, and it sold millions THEN.

Before that was the Drinking Man's Diet, Fletcherizing, you name it. Heck, Banting's Letter On Corpulence, To The Public, sold 63,000 copies in England, in 1863.

Don't get caught in Golden Age fantasies.

Yeah, also: the no overweight people thing is a myth.

People were overall less fat, and a lot less were seriously obese, but the first Atkins book came out fifty years ago, and it sold millions THEN.

Before that was the Drinking Man's Diet, Fletcherizing, you name it. Heck, Banting's Letter On Corpulence, To The Public, sold 63,000 copies in England, in 1863.

Don't get caught in Golden Age fantasies.

I would also consider what different generations regarded as "fat." Looking back at pictures, the fatter people in general were not as fat as today's fatter people. Especially youngsters.

Over the past year and a half I have lost 50 pounds =/-. The two main factors were/are: Move more*, eat less. YMMV

*It will require a separate thread, but I cannot stress enough how effective Heavy Hands walking is at burning calories. And, to digress, because of Heavy Hands, my resting pulse rate has dropped significantly. YMMV

Over the past year and a half I have lost 50 pounds =/-. The two main factors were/are: Move more*, eat less. YMMV

*It will require a separate thread, but I cannot stress enough how effective Heavy Hands walking is at burning calories. And, to digress, because of Heavy Hands, my resting pulse rate has dropped significantly. YMMV

• DanMartin Said:

Hey, Dan, what weight would you use for me? I haven't had those in decades. I just looked and won't be buying HH brand. That price is nuts! But will find an offbrand with the weight already in place. Thanks!

Then, we got to Italy. At this point, you have no soul if you don't eat, so I stopped caring today. There was even a gelato after dinner.

• Old Miler Said:

If I may beg to differ, you cared about the right thing for that moment. I’m certain that you and Mrs. Miler will remember that fine Italian food and gelato FAR longer than the kg or so you may have added. Oh, and color me envious!!

Over the past year and a half I have lost 50 pounds. The two main factors were/are: Move more, eat less. YMMV

• Quoting:

Hello Dan! Long time, eh.

I chose to go from around 190 to under 170 to get a clean sixpack one more time before . . . hey, maybe one more time again later on. Nothing's writ in stone here on this rock.

Except them cave paintings, maybe.

Feels great to be this light! Shining.

All's I did was eat less, that's it. And now, I can play about with a clean slate and build back some strength and yer muscals for fun!

YMMV. That fits perfectly.

We filled the car with healthy snacks.

• Old Miler Said:

I'm reminded when I was going to Aikido, the blackbelt instructors did a group trip to Japan. The head Sensei complained about one who is a bodybuilder type person had to stop the groups sightseeing and eat every 2 hours on the trip.

At 60 I’ve grown up throughout an interesting era; Aerobics (Ken cooper) Wieder, Arnold, the reliance has been more from receiving external help (relying on others) rather than internal (learning from mistakes)

Dan Martin usually says many profound things and one thing he said that sticks with me; “if you follow a diet ya sorta got an eating disorder “ he was more eloquent.
I’ve been reading his comments since Garagegym in the 90’s

• Andy Mitchell Said:

"The Advertising Age"

Honestly, I think advertising may be among the greatest of mankind's evils, though probably unavoidable. So many countries have banned advertising cigarettes and alcohol. Some are now banning advertising of sugary "food" items to kids. Hawaii banned public billboards entirely.

Contemplate this: if you lived in a world without advertising, how would you organize your diet and training?

• Andy Mitchell Said:

That's one of the more profound things I've ever read on this forum.

Diet, just the word flares people up faster than a hemorroid.

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Henceforth there's a mixture of odd building chores, swimming, paddleboarding and an early evening run; very light lunch at 2pm (heat's great for suppressing appetite), and barbecued fish or meat each night, with one piece of bread to mop the sauce up. Not bothering with keto, it's not compatible with cold beer which is my main carbo-vice here, but I'm pretty sure I'm still shrinking.

Next week my friend who's into kettlebell sport is arriving, so I can get some coaching and crank it up a notch further..