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Dan John Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 12292 
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06-07-20 06:45 PM - Post#898858
https://medium.com/@lukemellon13/a-major -crossfit-gym-announced-t hey-will-disaffiliate-fro m-the-comp... https://medium.com/@lukemellon13/a-major -crossfit-gym-announced-t hey-will-disaffiliate-fro m-the-comp... By the way, on this article, I feel that "snowflake" takes points away...I have never been comfortable with that term. http://www.justjared.com/2020/06/07/sza-calls- out-crossfit-ceo-for-mock ing-pandemic-george-floyd -pro...
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Pontyclun Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 2191 
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06-07-20 06:57 PM - Post#898859
Both Reebok and Rogue are cutting ties, a lot of gyms have announced they will no longer affiliate with them. and Froning, Davidsdottir and other well known athletes have denounced him. This is going go hit him where it hurts, in his pocket.
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Silverback61 Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 1834 
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06-07-20 08:18 PM - Post#898863
Crossfit has always been Lame.
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Kyle Aaron husband, father, trainer - in that order Posts 1911 
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06-07-20 10:05 PM - Post#898865
Starting Strength went through something similar over the Kavanaugh nomination. I've never understood why the politics of the inventor of a training modality or tool have anything to do with the utility of that modality or tool. Owners of training gyms tend to be white guys with a working class background. Their fees are such that their clients will be middle class, also mostly white, and all their friends white middle class. If politics comes up there'll be a clash. In previous years the politics of a training guru wouldn't be a problem, but whether or not he was a heavy drinker, screwed around on his wife etc would. Why do we now care about politics, but not about character? Why have we swapped one puritanism for another?
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BrianBinVA Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 5140 
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06-07-20 10:36 PM - Post#898866
Starting Strength went through something similar over the Kavanaugh nomination. I've never understood why the politics of the inventor of a training modality or tool have anything to do with the utility of that modality or tool. Owners of training gyms tend to be white guys with a working class background. Their fees are such that their clients will be middle class, also mostly white, and all their friends white middle class. If politics comes up there'll be a clash. In previous years the politics of a training guru wouldn't be a problem, but whether or not he was a heavy drinker, screwed around on his wife etc would. Why do we now care about politics, but not about character? Why have we swapped one puritanism for another? It's what we do in 'murica, Kyle. Not sure about Oz... |
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Brian Hassler IOL rocks! Posts 616 |
06-08-20 12:37 AM - Post#898870
In previous years the politics of a training guru wouldn't be a problem, but whether or not he was a heavy drinker, screwed around on his wife etc would. Why do we now care about politics, but not about character? Why have we swapped one puritanism for another? It's not the concern for character that's changed, it's how people measure it. Being callous or indifferent to issues that profoundly affect millions of people's lives may seem to some to be a better indicator of "character" than if someone likes to drink. Global pandemics and social justice issues are highly politicized, but an individual's (or company's) choices and the accompanying core values that are brought to light may not be inherently political in nature. |
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iPood Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 2360 |
06-08-20 01:26 AM - Post#898872
Crossfit has always been Lame. I always thought Crossfit was a wonderful idea... very poorly executed.
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Kyle Aaron husband, father, trainer - in that order Posts 1911
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06-08-20 02:54 AM - Post#898874
It's not the concern for character that's changed, it's how people measure it. Being callous or indifferent to issues that profoundly affect millions of people's lives may seem to some to be a better indicator of "character" than if someone likes to drink. The issues tend to be connected, I think. If a person has integrity in one area of their life they're more likely to have integrity in another, and if they lack it, they lack it. There's a reason that through most of history we've judged people by their behaviour towards themselves and those close to them, rather than by their abstract views - and let's face it, for most of us political stuff is abstract - it doesn't affect us directly and we'll never be in a position to make a significant difference about it. In any case, it's not really about politics. From the blog referenced in the articles DJ linked to, "COVID hit hard. We’ve been closed for 3 months now. Even so, we are amongst the lucky ones. We took a huge hit, but we’re fine. Our community is strong, we pivoted our classes online, we’re fine. But we also realized that we are doing so alone. We do not have the help of the brand that we pay to be affiliated with." It's just like Starting Strength and when BBM/BBL split from them after Rip said offensive things about Kavanaugh's nomination. Much babble about values or even programming, but really it comes down to money. They decided they could make more money without the parent organisation than with it. Many Crossfits have done this before: do the cert, get the certification, pay for the affiliation so they can use the name, and build their business - "Crossfit Clayton South" will be found by more people than "Kyle's Gym in Clayton South". Once they've built their business to a level where word of mouth keeps the numbers up, they then ditch the Crossfit affiliation and save themselves $3k a year. If they're smart they just wait for Glassman to do or say something offensive and do it then, that way they get some publicity to go with it. Of course, Crossfit and SS are not the only organisations which have gone through this splintering over money. That's just business partnerships for you. If the business does badly, you split because it's the other guy's fault; if it goes well, you split because the other guy is taking too much money, damnit!
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Browser IOL rocks! Posts 507 
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06-08-20 07:49 AM - Post#898883
This has nothing to do with politics. It’s about basic human decency. And what you are willing to tolerate from a person you openly associate with.
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Bill Ripley At home here Posts 213 |
06-08-20 08:18 AM - Post#898884
This has nothing to do with politics. It’s about basic human decency. And what you are willing to tolerate from a person you openly associate with. THIS. |
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RupertC Master trainer Posts 1479 
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06-08-20 09:03 AM - Post#898885
Great startup founders rarely make great CEOs once the business is established. A lot of the things you need to go from zero to one (contrarianism, combativeness, attitude) really don't help if you are trying to go from version 3.51 to version 3.60. I think CF is an example of that. As iPood correctly said, CF is "a wonderful idea... very poorly executed." It is based around a great insight, particularly the emphasis on community fitness and being an all-rounder. It has developed a strong recognizable brand and the Games were a clever development. We all know about the mistakes. CF needs much better structure for beginners; significantly more emphasis on safety and lifelong fitness; clear ways of distinguishing professionally run boxes from amateur outfits; much more professional development for affiliates; and less divisive branding. Is Glassman the right man to do that? Almost certainly not! I'm sure that if he decided to sell CF Inc before ruining the brand, private equity firms would be queuing around the block...
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Brian Hassler IOL rocks! Posts 616 |
06-08-20 10:23 AM - Post#898888
Kyle - You're a cynic. I don't necessarily disagree with you or think that's a bad thing; however, as evidenced by the posts following yours, there are plenty of folks who feel the current issues are important enough that they genuinely do transcend common patterns of behavior and certain ways of looking at things. Maybe the gym owner in the article is one of those people, maybe not. Or maybe it falls in between, somewhere. When it gets down to the level of what Browser said, motivations don't really matter, it's behavior that counts. |
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-08-20 11:26 AM - Post#898891
Some may have just been looking for an excuse to bail - and this was the straw that did it. Glassman is divisive if nothing else. If a "name" costs $3000 then that name must bring in more that that to be worth having - and I have no idea how valuable that is in a business sense. |
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Upside Starting to like posting Posts 185 |
06-08-20 11:29 AM - Post#898892
Regardless of money, brand, and all the other buzzwords I find nothing redeeming in Floyd-19. Rationalize all you want but there's no defending that. |
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755 
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06-08-20 11:48 AM - Post#898895
I only have two questions. Do I need to go to a certified Crossfit gym to train in that way, and When wasn't Glassman a jerk?
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-08-20 12:33 PM - Post#898897
I only have two questions. Do I need to go to a certified Crossfit gym to train in that way, and When wasn't Glassman a jerk? People have been working out this way for a very very long time - just without the "name" - and some of the dumber movements :) |
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Browser IOL rocks! Posts 507
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06-08-20 01:41 PM - Post#898899
As long as it's fair game to bash crossfit, I'll share my only interaction with them. Well besides them being obnoxious at powerlifting and weightlifting meets (which is a whole different story...with good reason my wife refuses to attend any meets held at crossfit gyms). Anyway, I was travelling for work probably around 2007-8 and it was squat day. I knew sort of peripherally that crossfit used the olympic lifts and squatted so I dropped in at a 'box' after class to pay the day fee and get my squats in for the week. When I walked in there was a skinny guy leading a group of about 15 people doing stuff. They all sort of stopped and I was like... um can I pay the day fee and workout? The skinny guy said...we don't do that here you have to be in a class. So I left this beautiful warehouse gym with tons of squat racks and good bars that no one was using to go lift at Gold's with garbage bars and people walking on treadmills. Sortof told me all I'd ever need to know about crossfit.
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Silverback61 Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 1834
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06-08-20 02:16 PM - Post#898900
Crossfit has always been Lame. I always thought Crossfit was a wonderful idea... very poorly executed. I can go along with that.
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Old Miler Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 1744 |
06-08-20 05:10 PM - Post#898907
I always thought Crossfit was a wonderful idea... very poorly executed. I'm with this. Let's help them think of a snappy new name! The right coaching guidelines putting safety first, better designed competitive structures, a rankings system measuring vaguely repeatable and useful elements of fitness - so much could be done here... |
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Kiwi5 At home here Posts 264 |
06-08-20 06:07 PM - Post#898908
Perhaps Chairman Tsatsouline will take over from Glassman...Strongfit. Crossfit could use The Chairman right now.... |
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Steve W. Starting to like posting Posts 181 |
06-08-20 06:36 PM - Post#898909
Crossfit has always been Lame. I always thought Crossfit was a wonderful idea... very poorly executed. I have a lot of bad ideas, but they are very well-executed.
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Silverback61 Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 1834
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06-08-20 07:00 PM - Post#898910
Perhaps Chairman Tsatsouline will take over from Glassman...Strongfit. Crossfit could use The Chairman right now.... That sounds like an excellent idea, Comrade.
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vegpedlr Old hand here on IOL Posts 1179 
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06-08-20 09:52 PM - Post#898918
Regardless of money, brand, and all the other buzzwords I find nothing redeeming in Floyd-19. Rationalize all you want but there's no defending that. Why would they even bother to post anything of the kind? This isn’t just a question for xfit. Given the butter polarization of American politics, why would anyone put up stuff that will rule people up, guaranteed? I’m not sure the old saying that there’s so such thing as bad publicity is as true anymore. |
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755
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06-08-20 11:19 PM - Post#898920
I only have two questions. Do I need to go to a certified Crossfit gym to train in that way, and When wasn't Glassman a jerk? People have been working out this way for a very very long time - just without the "name" - and some of the dumber movements :) Hey Chris! Yeah, but won't my body know that I'm not in a certifiable Crossfit location? 
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DanMartin Shomer Shabbos Posts 20705 
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06-08-20 11:23 PM - Post#898921
I agree with the good ideas poorly executed theory.
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Andy Mitchell Factus non verbis Posts 5269 
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06-09-20 02:15 AM - Post#898929
This seems to happen often with franchise. But why are the owners whining like an old diff? Why make a big fuss?
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Kiwi5 At home here Posts 264 |
06-09-20 02:22 AM - Post#898930
I wonder, what is the Crossfit market share (compared to other commercial gyms)? Is Crossfit that big a deal in the US fitness/sports world? |
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iPood Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 2360 |
06-09-20 02:46 AM - Post#898931
I wonder, what is the Crossfit market share (compared to other commercial gyms)? Is Crossfit that big a deal in the US fitness/sports world? Eleven thousand "boxes" all over the world in 2015 and an estimate of four billion dollar annual revenue. Today is much more.
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BChase Old hand here on IOL Posts 854 |
06-09-20 06:31 AM - Post#898933
FIrst Glassman is a churl, and always has been. During the Covid pandemic there were other gyms that didn't cover themselves in glory. The Boston Athletic Clubs were still charging members even though they couldn't use the gym. A lot of franchisees get pounded with royalty fees to use the name. I believe that Ms Royse found an opening/reason to get out of being a CrossFit affiliate and is using it to her advantage. Of course Glassman doubles down and is going to lose sponsors. This will pass and there will be new companies trying to get off the ground who will be begging to be chosen. Which brings us to the second problem. Why does everyone feel forced to make a statement to answer the mob? What if you don't believe in the movement? It's pandering at its worst. Answering to the mob because of social media is one of the worst things occurring in American society today. Look at Drew Brees for prime example number 1. The man gives $5M to help his community. Let me repeat that number $5M. He is treated by a pariah for having a different opinion. The cancel culture stinks. Arguing politics on the internet, which let me state, I'm not doing here, is like screaming in an echo chamber. No one is going to change each other's minds. I'd rather waste my energy on my kettlebell. |
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RupertC Master trainer Posts 1479
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06-09-20 06:39 AM - Post#898934
If CF really is a "wonderful idea, poorly executed," people should be pitching Reebok about doing something similar but with better execution right about now. The Reebok All-Rounder Club, anyone? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/r eebok-partnership-crossfi t-george-floyd
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Justin Jordan Old hand here on IOL Posts 854 
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06-09-20 07:12 AM - Post#898938
"Answering to the mob because of social media is one of the worst things occurring in American society today. " Hahahahahaahaha No. |
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BChase Old hand here on IOL Posts 854 |
06-09-20 07:30 AM - Post#898939
"Answering to the mob because of social media is one of the worst things occurring in American society today. " Hahahahahaahaha No. Ah, yes, it's cutting into your 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech. Honest question, do you believe Drew Brees should have been castigated publicly for his remarks about the anthem and forced to apologize? |
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-09-20 08:28 AM - Post#898943
Given any named workout program - most people will only follow it as written for a fairly short period of time before "adjusting" it to their own version - regardless of who the author is. When I read about what the "Games" athletes are doing - it bears little resemblance to what I read online as "Crossfit" but appears more traditional but with a lot of "skills" work to anticipate what they will see in competition. |
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DanMartin Shomer Shabbos Posts 20705
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06-09-20 09:42 AM - Post#898947
If CF really is a "wonderful idea, poorly executed," people should be pitching Reebok about doing something similar but with better execution right about now. The Reebok All-Rounder Club, anyone? https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/r eebok-partnership-crossfi t-george-floyd For a brief period, CrossFit encouraged the home trainee to utilize their programming with a minimal amount of equipment. Then the MLM monster took over. And greed ruled the day.
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Brian Hassler IOL rocks! Posts 616 |
06-09-20 10:09 AM - Post#898949
No one needs an "opening" to stop being an affiliate. All they have to do is stop paying. The notion that someone needs the excuse of fake morality really doesn't make sense. And, of course, box owners are not the only ones who might need to choose. Individual members, of any organization, at some point need to take a look at what they're supporting and decide if that's how they want to align themselves and/or what they want their dollars to fund. |
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dlannan Haven't posted much Posts 23 |
06-09-20 11:06 AM - Post#898951
Here's another article that shows Glassman's colors: https://medium.com/@mikeyoungphd/why-im- dumping-crossfit-47ad6a1a 0216 I think most of the de-affiliation and shaming is an attempt to get Glassman out of there, for a variety of reasons - including firings and restructurings over the last couple of years that have hurt the brand. They hardly have a marketing department anymore, and that was vital to growing the brand. If affiliates simply stop paying, it does hurt his pocketbook, but it removes them from the "community" as a whole. I think affiliates see CrossFit as more valuable when all of the gyms are united under one umbrella. Some of the bigger gyms that have recently left will be fine on their own, because they've built their brand locally, but most other gyms are probably dead long-term without some sort of larger backing. |
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Old Miler Grand Pooh-Bah Posts 1744 |
06-09-20 04:21 PM - Post#898959
I would imagine that there is some benefit to being part of a larger umbrella. People in town for a few days, or moving to town, will look for their local "Crossfit box". A bit like me looking up the local Hash House Harriers when I visit a new city, although XFit sounds less fun and more painful.. You get similar business situations with RyanAir, Tesla, or - dare I say it - national leaders in UK/US/Brazil/Indonesia - CEOs who like to mouth off or speak on a whim and cause a whole lot of grief. Problem is, in business, if they own most of it, you can't shift them, just counsel them to keep quiet for a while, until they do it again. |
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Justin Jordan Old hand here on IOL Posts 854
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06-09-20 08:32 PM - Post#898966
"Answering to the mob because of social media is one of the worst things occurring in American society today. " Hahahahahaahaha No. Ah, yes, it's cutting into your 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech. Honest question, do you believe Drew Brees should have been castigated publicly for his remarks about the anthem and forced to apologize? I can't imagine how easy and stress free a person's life would have to be to think that 'social media making people apologize' is one of society's worst problems. But yes, I am fine with Drew Breeze being 'forced' to apologize. It's his right to say it. It's people's right to criticize it. It's his employer's right to fire his butt if they don't like the former two. |
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jp92 IOL rocks! Posts 650 |
06-09-20 09:05 PM - Post#898967
Col. Chris Hadfield, Canadian Astronaut and Commander of the International Space Station on what he would say to his younger self: Link Pope John Paul II:
“The fundamental error of socialism is anthropological in nature. Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism. Socialism likewise maintains that the good of the individual can be realized without reference to his free choice, to the unique and exclusive responsibility which he exercises in the face of good or evil. Man is thus reduced to a series of social relationships, and the concept of the person as the autonomous subject of moral decision disappears, the very subject whose decisions build the social order. From this mistaken conception of the person there arise both a distortion of law, which defines the sphere of the exercise of freedom, and an opposition to private property. A person who is deprived of something he can call “his own,” and of the possibility of earning a living through his own initiative, comes to depend on the social machine and on those who control it. This makes it much more difficult for him to recognize his dignity as a person, and hinders progress towards the building up of an authentic human community.” In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says: 3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the land. 6 Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the clean of heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Bold above is my emphasis). |
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Adam S IOL rocks! Posts 629 
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06-09-20 10:10 PM - Post#898968
"Answering to the mob because of social media is one of the worst things occurring in American society today. " Hahahahahaahaha No. Ah, yes, it's cutting into your 1st amendment rights of freedom of speech. Honest question, do you believe Drew Brees should have been castigated publicly for his remarks about the anthem and forced to apologize? I can't imagine how easy and stress free a person's life would have to be to think that 'social media making people apologize' is one of society's worst problems. But yes, I am fine with Drew Breeze being 'forced' to apologize. It's his right to say it. It's people's right to criticize it. It's his employer's right to fire his butt if they don't like the former two. Well said. Could not agree more. In addition, the news tonight on what else Mr. Glassman said is even more hair-raising. Not surprisingly, he seems to have now “retired.”
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Kiwi5 At home here Posts 264 |
06-10-20 12:04 AM - Post#898971
Crossfit is probably to big to fail, new boss, lots of positive left leaning statements...boom sponsors come back. |
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RupertC Master trainer Posts 1479
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06-10-20 02:35 AM - Post#898973
Great startup founders rarely make great CEOs once the business is established. A lot of the things you need to go from zero to one (contrarianism, combativeness, attitude) really don't help if you are trying to go from version 3.51 to version 3.60. I think CF is an example of that. As iPood correctly said, CF is "a wonderful idea... very poorly executed." It is based around a great insight, particularly the emphasis on community fitness and being an all-rounder. It has developed a strong recognizable brand and the Games were a clever development. We all know about the mistakes. CF needs much better structure for beginners; significantly more emphasis on safety and lifelong fitness; clear ways of distinguishing professionally run boxes from amateur outfits; much more professional development for affiliates; and less divisive branding. Is Glassman the right man to do that? Almost certainly not! I'm sure that if he decided to sell CF Inc before ruining the brand, private equity firms would be queuing around the block... Combative founder of startup turned into multinational says something stupid, it blows up in his face and he is forced to resign to save his equity. It isn't the first example and it won't be the last! https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryancbrooks/c rossfit-ceo-founder-zoom- greg-glassman-george-floy ...
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755
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06-10-20 04:01 AM - Post#898978
Greg Glassman: “I’m stepping down as CEO of CrossFit, Inc., and I have decided to retire. On Saturday I created a rift in the CrossFit community and unintentionally hurt many of its members. Since I founded CrossFit 20 years ago, it has become the world’s largest network of gyms. All are aligned in offering an elegant solution to the vexing problem of chronic disease. Creating CrossFit and supporting its affiliates and legions of professional trainers has been a labor of love. Those who know me know that my sole issue is the chronic disease epidemic. I know that CrossFit is the solution to this epidemic and that CrossFit HQ and its staff serve as the stewards of CrossFit affiliates worldwide. I cannot let my behavior stand in the way of HQ’s or affiliates’ missions. They are too important to jeopardize.” Silly me. I thought profit was the sole issue. Still do, to tell the truth. Mammon. There's a word that's seems to (cross) fit here.
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Browser IOL rocks! Posts 507
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06-10-20 09:11 AM - Post#898988
Crossfit is probably to big to fail, new boss, lots of positive left leaning statements...boom sponsors come back. Again, it's not a left or right thing. It's a basic human decency thing.
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Cearball At home here Posts 273 |
06-11-20 07:40 AM - Post#899030
This is happening a bit with strong first. SFGs are leaving & it seems to be based around BLM. I don't want to share the forum & Instagram posts as I am not sure what the correct forum etiquette is. |
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-11-20 08:07 AM - Post#899032
Some of these things remind me of a "cult" - from both the top and the members - too much "worship". |
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Kyle Aaron husband, father, trainer - in that order Posts 1911
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06-11-20 08:51 AM - Post#899035
Perhaps Chairman Tsatsouline will take over from Glassman...Strongfit. Crossfit could use The Chairman right now.... Because of Tsatsouline's history of close friendships and selfless unflinching loyalty maintained through business disputes?
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Dan John Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 12292
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06-11-20 09:45 AM - Post#899042
Clearball, feel free to share those. I don't follow it close enough. Only my emails and texts boxes are jammed with mostly "WTF??? SFG?" So, if you can, it would help.
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Cearball At home here Posts 273 |
06-11-20 09:56 AM - Post#899043
https://www.instagram.com/liftwithhollyandarryn /?hl=en https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3492985710 721291&substory_index =0&id=49152392420... https://www.strongfirst.com/community/threads/bla ck-lives-matter.16873/page-6 With the Instagram page top left is a "story" SFG silence. |
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Cearball At home here Posts 273 |
06-11-20 09:57 AM - Post#899044
I think they would of been better off saying nothing. |
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-11-20 10:19 AM - Post#899046
I think they would of been better off saying nothing. This |
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DanMartin Shomer Shabbos Posts 20705
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06-11-20 10:45 AM - Post#899047
Glassman has a history of chronic foot in mouth disease.
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Kiwi5 At home here Posts 264 |
06-11-20 03:04 PM - Post#899061
Exactly. There is no need to comment other than an overwhelming desire to bow to social media pressure. |
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755
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06-11-20 04:25 PM - Post#899065
Lately I've been wanting to set up a social media account and under "hobbies and passions" put wearing blackface and child molestation.
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Jordan Derksen At home here Posts 392 
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06-11-20 11:48 PM - Post#899074
The thing that’s really starting to rub me the wrong way about all this is that, and by all this i mean ALL of this COVID included, not only do you no longer have freedom of speech (and I’ll admit, Glassman is a bafoon and what he said was stupid, but he still has a right to say it) but it seems that now a days you don’t even have the right to be silent and keep your opinions to yourself. A guy used to be able to trust his neighbor. Now people are snitching on their neighbors to the government because you had friends over and may or may not be social distancing. A guy wants to keep his social media/internet presence or business non political and just keep his head down while the country implodes. Now if you aren’t out there tossing bricks you’re equated with supporting racist discrimination. Silence is akin to thinking differently, thinking differently is akin to being wrong, being wrong is akin to hate, hate is akin to stoning. Therefore silence is stoning. Quite the leap. Scary time to be an introvert. |
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Browser IOL rocks! Posts 507
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06-12-20 07:43 AM - Post#899082
The thing that’s really starting to rub me the wrong way about all this is that, and by all this i mean ALL of this COVID included, not only do you no longer have freedom of speech (and I’ll admit, Glassman is a bafoon and what he said was stupid, but he still has a right to say it) but it seems that now a days you don’t even have the right to be silent and keep your opinions to yourself. It is absolutely NOT a free speech issue. No one is saying what Glassman did was illegal or he should be put in jail for goodness sake. And he didn't keep his opinions to himself, he made a tasteless joke about a murder victim and people rightly called him out on it and no longer wanted to be associated with him. The 1st Amendment doesn't shield you from the consequences for saying stupid and offensive things, it means the government can't censor or punish free expression.
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Brian Hassler IOL rocks! Posts 616 |
06-12-20 10:03 AM - Post#899084
What Browser said. Also, as far as companies like SF being proactively called to take a stance, those are companies that have actively cultivated a cultural following, so in a very real sense they've brought it on themselves. No one is out there demanding that Dell Computers make a statement on the current situation. On a personal level, I'm realizing it's a good habit to cultivate having difficult conversations about emotionally charged issues. In my experience, we're pretty bad at it as a culture. The only way to get better is to practice. It helps to start with people you trust and who can have rational conversations, and who are also willing to try and discuss things in good faith, even when they disagree. If a person doesn't have anyone like that in their lives, that's another issue that needs sorting... |
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BChase Old hand here on IOL Posts 854 |
06-12-20 10:21 AM - Post#899086
CrossFit is a better place without Glassman. Personally, I hate it when I hear the phrase, "we need to have a dialogue." Brian, you're right as a culture, we have a difficult time having hard conversations. And you the problem is you can't say the truth of what the real problems are. So we pander, instead. Here are the facts. There was horrific racism in this country. When a slave is considered 3/5 of a person, there's a real problem. When there are segregation and Jim Crow laws, that's a problem. Those don't exist anymore, thankfully. People need to be treated equally. Period. However, I'm not going to apologize or feel one iota of guilt to be born to a strong, loving nuclear family. I was blessed and am lucky. There needs to be honesty on both sides of the conversation |
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Browser IOL rocks! Posts 507
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06-12-20 10:59 AM - Post#899089
I don't know anything about StrongFirst, but they don't have to make a statement if they don't want to. BUT they are a public company and they should know that staying silent will rub some people the wrong way and they may lose business because of it.
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Rosenberg IOL rocks! Posts 439 
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06-12-20 02:42 PM - Post#899094
He embodies, "what got you here, won't get you there."
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Steve W. Starting to like posting Posts 181 |
06-12-20 03:07 PM - Post#899097
Just released yesterday by Dave Chappelle. There's a lot that I suspect will be widely misinterpreted, and in many cases willfully (such as thinking that he advocates or excuses violence). But I found it very heartfelt, intensely passionate, insightful, interesting, provocative, and moving. Among many other aspects of the current situation, he addresses the role of public figures in speaking out. Definitely not safe for work or tender ears. Dave Chappelle 8:46
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755
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06-12-20 03:18 PM - Post#899100
it's a good habit to cultivate having difficult conversations about emotionally charged issues. I agree. Oddly enough, a lot of the times that can keep us connected and bring us closer together as people with differing views.
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Neander Carpal tunnel from posting! Posts 7755
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06-12-20 10:29 PM - Post#899109
Here's a video Zach Telander posted today on the subject of Crossfit. . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qpz4nikN1A He is part of a film that's being developed, and I think it could be a very good thing. I made a post on my blog about it, and would greatly appreciate you having a look - http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2020/06/hello.html
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Kiwi5 At home here Posts 264 |
06-12-20 11:53 PM - Post#899110
I had no idea that Glassman had already been destroying Crossfit internally prior to his post. Just watching 'The redeemed and the Dominant'on Netflix. I guess it really was a sport. Was? I also note that while Glassman has retired, he is still the sole owner of Crossfit. HOLY CRAP! Those women are seriously swole. I wonder what, if any steroids were used?? |
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Krader Haven't posted much Posts 22 
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06-13-20 11:07 AM - Post#899124
https://youtu.be/tTxzym5KHjQ Andy Stumpf podcast yesterday. It’s about 28 minutes. Powerful disappointing and toxic stuff |
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vegpedlr Old hand here on IOL Posts 1179
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06-13-20 12:20 PM - Post#899128
How popular is Crossfit really? It seems like a few years ago it was all the rage, but at the time I was only into Maffetone style training. Like paleo, I don’t seem to see as much buzz. How big were the games? Are they still big? Do average Joes and Janes know or care about Crossfit? |
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Chris Rice Old hand here on IOL Posts 702 |
06-13-20 12:25 PM - Post#899129
https://youtu.be/tTxzym5KHjQ Andy Stumpf podcast yesterday. It’s about 28 minutes. Powerful disappointing and toxic stuff No real surprises but a good Podcast. I've read most of this before other places. As I listened to this it reminded me of the Republicans and Pres Trump today. |
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Kyle Aaron husband, father, trainer - in that order Posts 1911
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06-14-20 02:34 AM - Post#899142
How popular is Crossfit really? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=a ll&q=crossfit The google trends for things like Starting Strength show a similar pattern. Interestingly, "weightlifting" and "running" etc show no decline. The interest in being physically active is fairly consistent over time, using this or that particular branded method - well, interest comes and goes. The first crossfit opened in Australia in 2006, by 2014 there were 579 of them, it stayed 560-580 until the end of 2018, it's now 500. I'm just going on the affiliate listings on the HQ website. It was declining already, and the recession will accelerate that - Glassman's drunken ravings are just a little noise in that signal of the long tail of decline. One of the issues crossfit has faced is that overall it's pretty whitebread - and middle-class whitebread at that. It's more like lacrosse or skiing than football (any code) or cricket or baseball. This has limited its growth, and whitebread middle class are very much followers of trends - they'll flock to you on your way up, and abandon you quickly on your way down. Against that though is that internet dramas are irrelevant to most people. Talk to people going to crossfit gyms and half of them don't even know who Greg Glassman is, let alone any of the other people involved. They just go there to lift and run around and share pictures of their sweaty selves on Instagram. Glassman may have your contempt, but like Lance Armstrong, he still has your money. Crossfit will go on - smaller than before, but still going.
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RupertC Master trainer Posts 1479
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06-25-20 05:19 AM - Post#899577
I'm sure that if he [Glassman] decided to sell CF Inc before ruining the brand, private equity firms would be queuing around the block... "Eric Roza, the owner of a CrossFit gym in Boulder, is set to become the CEO of the company overseeing the fitness brand after its former leader was ousted due to racist comments. "In a Twitter post Wednesday, Roza said he will become the owner of CrossFit Inc. after the sale’s closing next month. Financial details were not disclosed. "Roza was previously CEO of Datalogix, a data firm for digital advertisers that was acquired by Oracle Inc.( NYSE: ORCL) in 2015. He is currently an executive-in-residence for venture-capital firm General Catalyst and an adjunct professor at the University of Colorado Boulder." https://www.dailycamera.com/2020/06/24/boulder-en trepreneur-to-purchase-cr ossfits-national-governin g... Close enough!
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Henry thinman Posts 1461 
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06-25-20 11:06 AM - Post#899586
Just watched Fittest in Dubai (2019) on Netflix, a 60 min documentary film of the first CrossFit Sanctional event in the world. First place male and female competitors qualify for a position to the CrossFit Games in the United States. There's a lot of Gyms that do similar style of group training around here.
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