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AusDaz
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04-01-18 12:50 AM - Post#863983    

After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.


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04-01-18 11:30 AM - Post#863987    

  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.
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04-01-18 02:26 PM - Post#863994    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.





Just so we get the things right (majoring the minor) regarding reps schemes. Swings are done in 10-15 reps and the power movements in a descending ladder of 5-4-3-2-1?
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04-01-18 02:49 PM - Post#863996    

  • Arthax Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.





Just so we get the things right (majoring the minor) regarding reps schemes. Swings are done in 10-15 reps and the power movements in a descending ladder of 5-4-3-2-1?



That's one way, and it's a good one. (I'd keep the swings at 15 reps or more. Any less than that and you don't really get a swing groove going.)
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04-01-18 07:03 PM - Post#863998    

I'm a fan too. I enjoyed it last summer as in season maintenance. It was great, I could do it as often or as rarely as I wanted, based on my endurance work. Walk my KB to the park for my suitcase carry, train for 10-15 min. and walk back. Whenever I try to improve on it, I give up. It's got everything you need to keep yourself going.

Two variations I like are doing one hand swings, OAP, front squat, and row, alternating sides. And slurpees, where the mountain climbers feel MTB like.
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04-01-18 11:55 PM - Post#864010    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • Arthax Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.





Just so we get the things right (majoring the minor) regarding reps schemes. Swings are done in 10-15 reps and the power movements in a descending ladder of 5-4-3-2-1?



That's one way, and it's a good one. (I'd keep the swings at 15 reps or more. Any less than that and you don't really get a swing groove going.)



Thank you!


Is there a place where I can read about the origins of DMPM or could you or Dan give us som historical kuriosa?
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04-02-18 12:45 AM - Post#864011    

The DMPM (with slight modifications) and OS have been working wonders on my parents. They have kind of 'de-aged' a lot since they started doing it.
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin

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04-02-18 03:32 AM - Post#864016    

If this is going to be a sticky, we need to say what the DMPM actually is, ¿no?

From the thread on the new DMPM:

  • DanMartin Said:
This is for the mature trainee. Naturally, in addition, you would do your what-have-you's. (Correctives, core, stretching, etc..)

1.
Hill Sprints

2.
Kalos Sthenos Get-Up
Goblet Squat
Two-Hand Swing

3.
Farmer's Walk

The mature lifter is better off dwelling in the real rather than wasting time searching for the ideal.

Because of the nature of these "workouts", you could feature up on any one of them exclusively and continue to make progress. Of course, you wouldn't want to do that for any protracted period of time. However, how bad could it be to just do hill sprints or Farmer's walks for 2 or 3 weeks?...

The "New" DMPM is geared towards the mature trainee who is sick and tired of being sick and tired and just needs to get back on track...

Less is more. There is no reason to make things more difficult. Hell, I even suggested doing less from time to time in the original post...

Do the basics, get good at the basics, benefit from the basics. There is no other way...

As an aside, I no longer live in an area that is hilly or even adjacent to hills. My home is smack dab in the middle of table flat farm land.

That said, there is plenty of room to do sled pulls.

Also, don't freak out about the Kalos Sthenos Get-Up, the Turkish Get-Up is perfectly fine.



Here is the original version from the March 2015 Getup (available here: http://danjohn.net/wp-content/uploads/Ge tup-1-2016.pdf):

  • Quoting:
Dan Martin‘s Program Minimum
Dan Martin
Dan is a former firefigher who retired after
38 years in the department. When he is not
training, he enjoys the married life with two
grown children and three grandchildren. He
is also a founding member of the Coyote
Point Kettlebell Club and the club‘s official
"Maker of Sammies“.
As trainees, we spend an inordinate
amount of time and energy searching for
training perfection when it‘s the doing that
always provides results.

Action Plan:

Warm-Up:
1. Five Minutes Concept 2 Rowing
2. Stoney Stretch

Lifting:
1. Goblet Squat x 5
2. Push-Up x 3
3. One KB Two-Hand Swing x 15

Cool-Down:
1. Brettzel-Stretch
2. Suitcase Walk

As far as rounds go, less is more. Any
specific number depends on you. While
variety is nice, doing them in straight sets
or in a circuit is what I would limit it to.
Don‘t over think it, it‘s not rocket surgery.




There have been a few other iterations over the years. Any favourites?
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04-02-18 01:04 PM - Post#864042    

My current version of the DMPM is as follows:

Warm-Up
Bar Hang*
Saigon Squat
Hip Bridge

Workout - Humane Burpee
Swing - 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
Push-Up - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Goblet Squat, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
TRX Row/Batwing - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Farmer's Walk

*The bar hang has made my shoulders feel and function much better. Before, they would bother me with aches, pains and limited range of motion. Now, well, I don't get woke up with a jolt of pain when I turn in my sleep. I can swim in a straight line instead of circle, and, I can do KB overhead press with both arms. YMMV
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04-02-18 07:09 PM - Post#864061    

I’m doing this:
1. One arm swing 3-5 x 10/10
2. Goblets - 3-5 x 10
3. TGU - 3-5 x 1/1
4a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
4b. Curls

I use the same bell for 1-3 for simplicity.

I’m pretty sure the curls are unauthorized...
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04-02-18 07:52 PM - Post#864063    

  • AusDaz Said:
I’m doing this:
1. One arm swing 3-5 x 10/10
2. Goblets - 3-5 x 10
3. TGU - 3-5 x 1/1
4a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
4b. Curls

I use the same bell for 1-3 for simplicity.

I’m pretty sure the curls are unauthorized...



I like it.
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04-02-18 11:44 PM - Post#864080    

  • AusDaz Said:
I’m doing this:
1. One arm swing 3-5 x 10/10
2. Goblets - 3-5 x 10
3. TGU - 3-5 x 1/1
4a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
4b. Curls

I use the same bell for 1-3 for simplicity.

I’m pretty sure the curls are unauthorized...



Curls are allowed. I really like this. We had a guy here who had something like this from Brett Jones and I wondered why he didn't "just do it."

Copyright that.
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04-03-18 01:59 AM - Post#864089    

My parents’ version is this:

Monday to Friday:

AM:

- A few minutes of really easy OS resets.

- Goblet squats: 1/2/3/4/5

- TRX rows: 1/2/3/4/5

- Push ups: 1/2/3/4/5

- One KB, two hands, clean (a swing that ends up in a goblet position): 1/2/3/4/5


PM:

- 30-60 minute walk.

"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin

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04-03-18 07:57 PM - Post#864135    

How about doing a version of DMPM
30 on-30 off
Swings
Pushups
Goblet squats
Carries


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04-03-18 08:11 PM - Post#864136    

  • slider Said:
How about doing a version of DMPM
30 on-30 off
Swings
Pushups
Goblet squats
Carries





Works for me!
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04-03-18 08:17 PM - Post#864137    

Well, make it five things. Add something simple. Six rounds of five things works for 30/30
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04-03-18 09:30 PM - Post#864142    

So, in the spirit of challenging the wisdom that there is no such thing as a stupid question...

I'm having a hard time zeroing in on exactly what the DMPM *IS*? Swings, pushups, goblet squats, and carries seem to be the consistent theme, but there seems to be quite a bit of variation on reps, sets, adding other exercises (TGUs, TRX rows), or not...

I'm not doubting the effectiveness of it (and I may give it a shot as my next semester's workout plan), but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what the program is, exactly?
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04-04-18 12:49 AM - Post#864145    

  • Jake Steinmann Said:
I'm not doubting the effectiveness of it (and I may give it a shot as my next semester's workout plan), but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what the program is, exactly?



A *gentle* way to do all the important human movements in a *daily basis* (notice the emphasis betwen asterisks). Quite possibly, the "parkbenchest" of the park bench programs.

It's also one of my favorite warm-up sequences (scaled down).
"I think we often spend too much time focusing on max fitness
and not nearly enough on maintaining our minimums.
It seems we need to think sustainable rather than obtainable.
Meaning whatever we do today, we can do it again tomorrow.
Never taking so much from ourselves that we can't."

Dan Martin

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04-04-18 06:32 AM - Post#864148    

  • slider Said:
How about doing a version of DMPM
30 on-30 off
Swings
Pushups
Goblet squats
Carries





Great minds think alike! I was just about to post something about doing it circuit style...

There is a great circuit program called Tango in Tactical Barbell. Here are the instructions from the book: Do it 1-3x per week; combine it with minimalist strength training as a finisher (you could also use it as a deload); choose four to eight exercises; spend one minute at each station doing as many reps as possible (AMRAP); use moderate loads; rest one minute between stations; rest two to three minutes between circuits; and do two to three circuits each time.

I have been doing this for six months and counting, typically using four exercises for two circuits twice per week. It really goes well with DMPM-type exercises: pressups, kettlebell swings, loaded carries, goblet squats, groundwork, etc. I have also used it with an ab roller. I tried pullups, but unless you can do pullups for a minute I wouldn't recommend it. Hanging from a bar would work, though. I guess getups would work too, but I haven't tried that myself.

In my experience (N=1), it works better if you don't count reps. Try to make each rep as perfect as possible instead. I have found that being able to do a minute's work in basic exercises is a nice complement to heavy-ish weights for five-ish reps.
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04-04-18 07:04 AM - Post#864149    

  • Jake Steinmann Said:
So, in the spirit of challenging the wisdom that there is no such thing as a stupid question...

I'm having a hard time zeroing in on exactly what the DMPM *IS*? Swings, pushups, goblet squats, and carries seem to be the consistent theme, but there seems to be quite a bit of variation on reps, sets, adding other exercises (TGUs, TRX rows), or not...

I'm not doubting the effectiveness of it (and I may give it a shot as my next semester's workout plan), but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around what the program is, exactly?



I might be wrong, but I think it's easier to think what the DMPM isn't. There are no percentages, no funky equipment and no machines; and it isn't too fussy about sets/reps/rest periods. It is just basic exercises mainly using bodyweight / kettlebells. You chose exercises that work your whole body (squat, pull, hinge, press, squat, carry, groundwork), do some work, have a shower and go home. Rinse and repeat.
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04-04-18 10:12 AM - Post#864153    

At its most basic, the DMPM is swings, push-ups, goblet squats and suitcase walks. With the pec/bicep stretch and hip flexor stretch being done to loosen up what’s tight.

The set/rep scheme is very open ended. You do what you can while leaving enough in the tank so you could repeat the workout the next day if you want.

Adding things like TRX rows and Get-Ups are purely optional and can be done or not, it just depends.
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04-04-18 10:57 AM - Post#864161    

Done correctly.
It depends.

We could have an entire forum dedicated to those two answers.
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04-04-18 11:18 AM - Post#864163    

  • Dan John Said:
Done correctly.
It depends.

We could have an entire forum dedicated to those two answers.



We do.
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04-04-18 11:18 AM - Post#864164    

It depends.
Done Correctly.
We do.

Got it.
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Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights.
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04-04-18 11:47 AM - Post#864168    

Maybe just a Program Minimum sticky?

Seems like lots of folks have created good ones. For me, ES in the gym, or DMPM in the park.
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04-04-18 01:06 PM - Post#864173    

There really is nothing special about the DMPM, and certainly not because my name is attached. However, and this is the part that many overlook, if you are a mature adult that is new to training, beat up by life or just want to get back into training and don't want to spend all day working out, the DMPM and its many variations is the way to go.

Outside of just doing swings, there isn't anything more simple and thorough. (I'm talking about kettlebells as an exercise medium.)

Are you going to look good naked? I don't want to know. Will you move better and be able to handle your daily tasks better? Probably. Can you use the DMPM as a stand alone I don't need to do anything else routine? Yes, but it depends. Depends on what you may ask? It depends if you are doing other things like walking, rowing, swimming, riding a bike, rucking, what-have-you. I hope you get the picture.

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04-04-18 04:07 PM - Post#864185    

I'd add that in addition to new or recovering trainees, anyone who wants or needs to spend significant physical time doing other things, like other sports training or job stuff. Start with the PM and add things to address issues as needed and get on with it.
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04-04-18 05:45 PM - Post#864192    

  • vegpedlr Said:
I'd add that in addition to new or recovering trainees, anyone who wants or needs to spend significant physical time doing other things, like other sports training or job stuff. Start with the PM and add things to address issues as needed and get on with it.



I agree. However, I'd like the trainee to get at least 50 workouts in before they tinker with the routine. (They may not need to do anything.)
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04-04-18 08:27 PM - Post#864194    

By tinkering I mean if someone knows they have an issue with this or that and something that helps, add it in. But the overall balance might be all one needs.

I'm still waiting for some kind of apocryphal origin myth, legend, or lie. Something that goes beyond egg salad sammies.
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04-04-18 10:49 PM - Post#864199    

  • vegpedlr Said:
By tinkering I mean if someone knows they have an issue with this or that and something that helps, add it in. But the overall balance might be all one needs.

I'm still waiting for some kind of apocryphal origin myth, legend, or lie. Something that goes beyond egg salad sammies.



It takes at least 50 workouts.
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04-05-18 12:05 AM - Post#864202    

After 50 workouts I'll know the origin myth?
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04-05-18 09:39 AM - Post#864219    

Every time my life gets out of control with work, family and professional obligations, I go back to the DMPM. I will do it almost daily for a month or two.

I do it pretty much as written with pushups, goblet squats, swings and will add in pullups on occasion if access to a pullup bar. Carries and all of Dan's stretches at the end. If I need a change of pace, I sub 1h presses for pushups, and dbl kb front squats for goblet squats.

One thing I have noticed is that it is a mental and physical refresh. I leave the workout feeling better than when I started, my hips, shoulders and lower back feel better and it adds discipline into my life as it can be done every single day.

Another bonus I have found is that if I keep a kettlebell in the trunk of my car, I find all sorts of parks and open area's on my commute home that I previously did not notice. I can stop in, grab my kettlebell, get some fresh air and enjoy God's creation.

One thing that I have added in at times, especially when the weather is nice, is to add sprints in between each set of each exercise. This keeps me in shape during the spring and summer season.

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04-05-18 09:47 AM - Post#864220    

  • cavery Said:
Every time my life gets out of control with work, family and professional obligations, I go back to the DMPM. I will do it almost daily for a month or two.

I do it pretty much as written with pushups, goblet squats, swings and will add in pullups on occasion if access to a pullup bar. Carries and all of Dan's stretches at the end. If I need a change of pace, I sub 1h presses for pushups, and dbl kb front squats for goblet squats.

One thing I have noticed is that it is a mental and physical refresh. I leave the workout feeling better than when I started, my hips, shoulders and lower back feel better and it adds discipline into my life as it can be done every single day.

Another bonus I have found is that if I keep a kettlebell in the trunk of my car, I find all sorts of parks and open area's on my commute home that I previously did not notice. I can stop in, grab my kettlebell, get some fresh air and enjoy God's creation.

One thing that I have added in at times, especially when the weather is nice, is to add sprints in between each set of each exercise. This keeps me in shape during the spring and summer season.



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04-05-18 10:11 AM - Post#864221    

  • iPood Said:
My parents’ version is this:

Monday to Friday:

AM:

- A few minutes of really easy OS resets.

- Goblet squats: 1/2/3/4/5

- TRX rows: 1/2/3/4/5

- Push ups: 1/2/3/4/5

- One KB, two hands, clean (a swing that ends up in a goblet position): 1/2/3/4/5


PM:

- 30-60 minute walk.





Perfect. Goat Belly Swings might work too.
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04-06-18 01:36 AM - Post#864245    

As soon as I get my new running shoes the DMPM will be my go-to strength routine during the spring/summer!
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04-06-18 11:04 AM - Post#864253    

Now that there is a sticky, if you are doing a version of the DMPM, please post your thoughts/results.
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04-07-18 08:34 AM - Post#864277    

Hi all, long-time lurker, new poster. Really admire the quality of conversation on this forum.


  • DanMartin Said:
Now that there is a sticky, if you are doing a version of the DMPM, please post your thoughts/results.



Over the past month-ish I've found myself doing something similar to the DMPM. Twice a week, it's a few sets of ring push-ups, ring inverted rows, and goblet squats. In between sets of the upper body movements I do single-leg deadlifts. All of those movements just feel good (provided appropriate load, of course). The single-leg deadlifts especially seem to address a strength imbalance I have. Recently I added two easy sets of deadlifts in a PTTP style progression at the end and found that that made me feel even better. I like them at the end of the workout because I'm not tempted to load them up too heavy. It's too early to see how this pans out long-term, but my plan is to gradually add weight to the movements while working through a broad rep range.
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Jake Steinmann
04-07-18 11:21 AM - Post#864284    

Thanks for the clarifying thoughts from everyone. Useful stuff.
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04-10-18 04:12 PM - Post#864390    

  • DanMartin Said:
Now that there is a sticky, if you are doing a version of the DMPM, please post your thoughts/results.



I coach high school strength and conditioning and we use a variation of it with some very high level gymnasts. They are consistently dinged up from the workload of practices/travel/meet's (shoulders, wrists, hips and back) so we do the following with them 3 x per week and it has really made a significant improvement in their performance.

Dynamic stretch to warm up
2-3 rounds:
5 x goblet squats
Bird dogs
10 x swings

then:
4 x 10 2h swings OR 4 x 10/10 1h swings
3-4 x 5/5 1h press OR pushups on db's
3-4 x 5 goblet squat OR 1 leg box squat

then:
IYT's on rings OR Batwing rows
Planks or PUPP holds

then:
All variations of loaded carries and a couple stretches with the rings.

then:
Foundation lower back drills

This has been the magic manna for them. It is safe, it really works their posterior chain and fixes a lot of issues in their shoulders and hips. The biggest win, is that they feel refreshed and leave the weightroom feeling better than when they came in.

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04-10-18 05:55 PM - Post#864393    

  • cavery Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Now that there is a sticky, if you are doing a version of the DMPM, please post your thoughts/results.



I coach high school strength and conditioning and we use a variation of it with some very high level gymnasts. They are consistently dinged up from the workload of practices/travel/meet's (shoulders, wrists, hips and back) so we do the following with them 3 x per week and it has really made a significant improvement in their performance.

Dynamic stretch to warm up
2-3 rounds:
5 x goblet squats
Bird dogs
10 x swings

then:
4 x 10 2h swings OR 4 x 10/10 1h swings
3-4 x 5/5 1h press OR pushups on db's
3-4 x 5 goblet squat OR 1 leg box squat

then:
IYT's on rings OR Batwing rows
Planks or PUPP holds

then:
All variations of loaded carries and a couple stretches with the rings.

then:
Foundation lower back drills

This has been the magic manna for them. It is safe, it really works their posterior chain and fixes a lot of issues in their shoulders and hips. The biggest win, is that they feel refreshed and leave the weightroom feeling better than when they came in.



Manna is right! That is an outstanding version. Well done.
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04-11-18 11:09 AM - Post#864418    

We do it "I go, you go" style and it will take them about 30 - 35 minutes or so.

We will use a variation of the DMPM with all our in-season athletes as well:

Baseball: focus on batwing rows for pulls and 1h OH press or 1h db bench for presses. Lots of IYT's and prying goblet squats as well. Our baseball coach is totally against all forms of lifting for his players so this is a delicate balance. We frame it as "structural integrity" work and have to be SUPER careful not to ding up any of the athletes up.

Lacrosse: We will do dbl kb cleans (Helps them absorb contact, armour building...) dbl kb front squats and short heavy farmer carries and rack carries.

Soccer players: We will add in some single leg work instead of goblet squats. (single leg box squats and RFESS)

Track: Lots of swings, lots of goblet squats and lots of carries. We end up doing quite a bit of PUPP and yoga post workout to help combat repetitive use of our sprinters and runners.

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04-11-18 01:34 PM - Post#864428    

I like how you differentiate between sprinters and runners. They are two different snowflakes to be sure and each have their quirks.

And for those of you following this thread, sprinters are high maintenance compared to distance runners.
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04-18-18 01:01 PM - Post#864636    

Here is something I had saved that Dan Martin posted a while ago. Thought it pertained to this thread as it discusses the orgins of the DMPM.

"Just to be clear, you can all just KMA from now on...

To answer veggie's question. Currently, I'm a recovering fireman and wanna be athlete. Dan John pulled me off the scrap heap of life, (for which I'm eternally grateful) put me back on my feet, and made me reasonably active again.



The DMPM came about after one of our short-lived Coyote Point training sessions. (The Coyote Point experience should have been better documented, but we were too caught up in the moment.)



Because I was significantly older than most, and brought all the food, I was given a bit of leeway towards our practice sessions. We experimented with all sorts exercise combinations. During a lull the Dan John and others would ponder about the idea of what would you do if you only had one kettlebell and you really just wanted to cover the essentials.



Call it kismet, call it what-have-you, the DMPM came about from those after training BS sessions. We tried it repeatedly and it worked. The "Humane Burpee" was also "discovered" around the same time.



I venture away from it, but I always return for at least a brief period just to get centered.



Think about it...your upperbody push is covered and then some with the push-up. (the then some is a plank) The Goblet Squat covers all sorts of goodness, namely the ability to squat. It also keeps you mobile and supple. The swing is the key, it ties everything together. Done well, it should be all you need for a hinge. (and upperbody pull, it's also a plank) You finish with or intersperse the suitcase walk and you cover your loaded carry. (another form of plank)



I do the pec/bicep stretch, hip flexor stretch and Brettzel after the DMPM rather than before. YMMV



You can always do more, but you shouldn't do any less. That the whole thing was "named" after me is both a blessing and a burden. But, I really love it. It keeps me honest and it works! It has brought great results to those that have given it a go.



One kettlebell is all you need."

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04-18-18 01:02 PM - Post#864637    

Here is another...

"Here is the original form, and take my word for it since, I am, in fact, Dan Martin.

1. Goblet Squat
2. Push-Up and/or one KB Press
3. One-KB Two-Hand Swing
4. Farmer's Walk or Suitcase Walk

A. Pec/Bicep Stretch
B. Hip Flexor Stretch

Walking, walking and more walking.

Please note that the Get-Up is not part of the DMPM. Everything that most everyone needs is covered by those exercises and movements. Like I posted before, the DMPM works especially well for those that actually do it.



You are not, by any means, overstepping. Like anyone else, I need a coach too. As luck would have it, mine is Dan John. He keeps me on-track when I veer off. Because of my on-going and continuous back problems I had to take a step back and regroup. What I did was three months of daily walking followed by the McGill Big 3 (curl-up/bird dog/side plank) and my Gumby Big 3, (Stoney Stretch/Saigon Squat/Brettzel)



After all of that, my back issues seem to be where they should be. So it was time for the bare bones basics. Kalos Sthenos Get-Up to the hips high position for a warm-up, then the Goblet Squat/Push-Up/Two-Hand Swing/TRX Row/Suitcase Walk routine. "Off" days are walking and the two "Big 3's."



My back issues were exacerbated by my obsession with trying to get better at Concept2 rowing. In a six month period I rowed over 2 million meters. That proved to be too much. Lesson learned...it's better to be prudent than foolish, particularly at 62 years of age."

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04-18-18 01:49 PM - Post#864639    

"Keep it simple. If you're alive, you should train. When you train you should do the "five movement patterns." DMPM



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04-26-18 03:13 AM - Post#864859    

I think I first came across this as "Program Minimum Minimum (From Dan Martin)" in Dan's Lifetime Warrior Workout pdf

http://danjohn.net/wp-content/uploads/LI fetime-Warrior-Workouts.pdf

Where it is presented as

"Program Minimum Minimum (From Dan Martin)
Goblet Squats (10-25)
Swings 50-150
Push Ups 25-50 (or Presses)
Some kind of Loaded Carry
Change the reps each and every day, but do the movements. Coming back the next
day is more important than any single training day."

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04-26-18 03:14 AM - Post#864860    

That Lifetime Warrior Workout pdf is a great piece of work by the way

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05-03-18 04:44 AM - Post#865048    

  • RupertC Said:
slider Said:
How about doing a version of DMPM
30 on-30 off
Swings
Pushups
Goblet squats
Carries

Great minds think alike! I was just about to post something about doing it circuit style...

There is a great circuit program called Tango in Tactical Barbell. Here are the instructions from the book: Do it 1-3x per week; combine it with minimalist strength training as a finisher (you could also use it as a deload); choose four to eight exercises; spend one minute at each station doing as many reps as possible (AMRAP); use moderate loads; rest one minute between stations; rest two to three minutes between circuits; and do two to three circuits each time.

I have been doing this for six months and counting, typically using four exercises for two circuits twice per week. It really goes well with DMPM-type exercises: pressups, kettlebell swings, loaded carries, goblet squats, groundwork, etc. I have also used it with an ab roller. I tried pullups, but unless you can do pullups for a minute I wouldn't recommend it. Hanging from a bar would work, though. I guess getups would work too, but I haven't tried that myself.

In my experience (N=1), it works better if you don't count reps. Try to make each rep as perfect as possible instead. I have found that being able to do a minute's work in basic exercises is a nice complement to heavy-ish weights for five-ish reps.



Time for a quick update on the Tango-DMPM lovechild... I have found that it goes well if you rotate an old exercise out and rotate a new exercise in every single session. It makes it "always different, always the same," as John Peel used to say of the Fall's music.
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05-16-18 01:39 AM - Post#865406    

So, earlier this week on monday I did my comeback to running. I´ve signed up for two races next year one half Marathon 21km (which I´ve run Before) and one trail run 30km. With this I have 12 months to prepare and slowly building volume for the first race and 16 months to prepare for the grusome trail run.

My plan is to use DMPM as my strength program. Did my first run this monday and on tuesday I did the following;

DMPM
2H Swings 32 x 10
Goblets 32 x 5-4-3-2-1
Push-ups x 5-4-3-2-1
TRX row x 5-4-3-2-1

Suitcase carry x 32 (until I lost integrity)

Stooney stretch
QL stretch


Rested 1 min between every excercise in for the swing, goblet, push-up and trx row for a total of 5 rounds. 50 swings, 15 goblets and 30 reps respectivly for push-ups and rows. Did a warm-up for 5-10 mins prior to DMPM. Felt really good! As I did the strength session I kept hearing Dans voice in my head ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29gA8HHfugA
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05-28-18 10:44 PM - Post#865825    

Summer time means KB/BW training in the park.

So, DMPM most days, and so I can get 10,000 swings over the summer, I'll do 10 one hand swings each hand to total 100. I row the KB not TRX, so I can do it anywhere. And I like rack carries, for some reason they feel quite awkward.
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07-03-18 04:03 AM - Post#867082    

One thing got me yesterday while doing DMPM. Usually I do it like

2H Swings
Goblets
Push-ups
TRX row
-
Carries


But yesterday I did 5 rounds of 1H swings (10/10), racked front squats (5/5), Single bell press (2/2) and finally kb row (5/5) rested some and did suitcase carries. Until this morning I did not realize how much my core had to work! Easy way to hit your whole mid section!
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07-03-18 10:48 PM - Post#867126    

I like that version too.
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07-04-18 12:07 PM - Post#867135    

That version is all together righteous and deserves its own name!
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07-05-18 07:55 AM - Post#867156    

My current version is this:
1. 15 swings + 5 goblets - AMRAP in 15 mins but only starting each round when HR drops to 100bpm (about 10 rounds)
2a. Kb Press 2 x 5
2b. One arm rows 2 x 5
3. TGU 3 x 1/1
About 25 mins total

Today, I was on the road and only had a light bell with me so I did this:
1. 20 swings + 10 goblets x 5
2. Cook drill variant: 8,5,3 x snatches + waiter walk; cleans + rack walk; one arm swings + suitcase walk
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07-31-18 11:25 PM - Post#868182    

I introduced my brother to DMPM about 6 weeks ago. He was feeling stale & jaded so I said give this a go. On Sunday, out of the blue he rings me & said he is 'Killing it." Getting good results.

I asked him exactly what his programme was & it is..

20 KB swings (20KG)
Push Ups 5/4/3/2/1
KB Rows 5/4/3/2/1 (20 KG)
Goblet squats 5/4/3/2/1 (20kg)
Overhead Carry with 20kg KB.

P.S He started with 15 swings but gradually works up to 20 swings. E.g set 1 = 15 swings, set 5 = 20 swings.

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08-30-18 08:17 PM - Post#869619    

I’ve been doing some form of DMPM since January - basically, every workout consists of swings, goblets, press, pull, carry. Sets and reps have varied over time, but basically I have just kept doing the same weight, sets and reps each session until it feels too easy and then I add some more.

Here’s last night’s workout:
Warm up: halos, goblets, hip bridge
1. Swings + Goblets: 3 rounds of 21+8 x 24; 13+5 x 32; 8+3 x 40; 5+2 x 48 (141 + 54) - starting each set when HR drops to 100
2a. KB C&P 10 x 12; 5 x 16; 10 x 20
2b. One arm row 10 x 16; 5 x 24; 10 x 32
3a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s 2 x 10/10/10/10
3b. TRX Curls 2 x 15
4. TGU 1/1 x 24, 32, 40
40 mins total

Feeling in great shape. It almost feels like cheating. It can’t be this easy.
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09-01-18 02:50 PM - Post#869719    

Been doing this for the last few weeks

Warm up hangs, goblet squats, hip bridges

Pick at least three things to work on from press, swing, squat, pull and carry. Using kettlebells, a sandbag and rings. Reps and sets vary by the day, try to hit this at least four times a week.

Added a couple of easy runs per week.
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09-03-18 05:47 PM - Post#869875    

Hi all,


I'm pretty much doing the 30/30 routine above.

I just wanted to share an experience with a circuit timer. You probably all use them already, but if not it's worth a try. (I'm using Seconds Pro but I gather they are many)


Once you've set up and named your circuit (a wonderful new distraction activity during long conference calls, commuting etc), you have it with you forever and you just press one button and you have to "do this". It calls out "3-2-1... Goblets" or "3-2-1-Rest", and displays what's next in huge letters. It's a bit like setting the pace on a treadmill and just having to "stay on" - mentally very easy indeed compared to doing it with a stopwatch.

Two other uses I can see and will play with are

- "mobility circuit" as warmup: bridges, halos, bretzels, PVC pipe games or whatever.

- "stretching circuit" for evening

Both these things benefit from putting in the time you originally resolved to.
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10-03-18 10:44 PM - Post#871656    

So far I've been doing this:

Warm-up
-Stretching
-A few Turkish Get-Ups (depending on how I feel)

Main Workout
-Humane Burpee (15 swings, 5,4,3,2,1 goblet squats/push-ups) - sometimes I do one-arm press with the same rep scheme instead of push-ups
-Pull-ups, one-arm rows, or batwings
-Suitcase Carry

Right now I use a 24kg KB for the swings, goblet squats, and suitcase carry and a 16kg for the presses/rows. I just ordered a 32kg, so I'm curious to try that out for the swings and squats.
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10-11-18 01:54 PM - Post#872002    

I love DMPM

I am promoting it to all my beat up friends and no one wants to do it for the first 10 times i nag.

Then they try it and stick with it :)
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10-11-18 08:51 PM - Post#872031    

DMPM FTW!
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10-16-18 04:00 AM - Post#872167    

As the old saying; when in doubt go lighter. It should be extend to; when in doubt do DMPM.
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10-17-18 12:11 PM - Post#872246    

With all this talk of various standards and numbers, how about we define what we feel is a good and reasonable goal for the DMPM?

75 swings, 25 squats, 25 push-ups and 25 rows (of some sort) along with 100 yards of weighted carry seems doable and desirable.

How often? Twice-a-week minimum, and I would say no more than four times a week.

How heavy? That is really up for debate. The 24kg is plenty, but both heavier and lighter is fine.

For those new to the DMPM it might seem rather boring and simplistic, but it's the results that matter. One of the few times where the Inn my be just as valuable as the Journey. DJ may have to weigh in on this.



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10-17-18 02:56 PM - Post#872250    

Certainly reasonable for a program minimum. It covers the bases and leaves room for other things that you might need or want to do.
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10-17-18 04:39 PM - Post#872259    

"75 swings, 25 squats, 25 push-ups and 25 rows (of some sort) along with 100 yards of weighted carry seems doable and desirable."

Along with some appropriate mobility, flexibility and a decent walk or two, this sounds great.
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10-17-18 05:24 PM - Post#872265    

  • Dan John Said:
"75 swings, 25 squats, 25 push-ups and 25 rows (of some sort) along with 100 yards of weighted carry seems doable and desirable."

Along with some appropriate mobility, flexibility and a decent walk or two, this sounds great.



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10-17-18 09:52 PM - Post#872274    

Where are people fitting in the ground work? How often? Do the OS resets qualify?
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10-18-18 05:34 AM - Post#872283    

I think so...and the Naked TGUs. I think they are part of the program.
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10-18-18 09:28 AM - Post#872293    

I’m working on a hybrid thing I stole/developed from two Jay Armstrong videos.

In a nutshell you get down, shoulder roll, then get back up. It’s not a naked get-up but you do a lot on the ground. My thought is that it may help you be better at “falling” and getting back up. Too soon* to video or even say it’s effective, but so far so good.

*My plan is to do the exercise 3-4 times a week and work up to fifty reps (25 per side) before posting any results or even a video. It will be awhile though, I'm having a procedure on my left ankle today so I'll be on the shelf for a couple of weeks or three.
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10-18-18 10:09 AM - Post#872296    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • Dan John Said:
"75 swings, 25 squats, 25 push-ups and 25 rows (of some sort) along with 100 yards of weighted carry seems doable and desirable."

Along with some appropriate mobility, flexibility and a decent walk or two, this sounds great.



I spent last week at Yosemite. Being able to walk is such a valuable commodity and should never be taken for granted.


I want to comment on walking. It took years but because my mom didn't like to walk, she lost the ability to walk and was bedridden the last few years of her life.

Last week my wife and I were in London. Without trying we were walking 7 miles a day. Walking in London and experiencing the food and culture was good for my body, mind and soul.

The pic is of a pub right around the corner from the apartment we rented. We only had to walk a hundred yards to the pub. LOL!
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10-18-18 08:33 PM - Post#872325    

Thanks to Dan Martin and Coach John for the responses.

Like others, I do the naked get-ups as part of the warm-up. In my case at the end of the re-set. The beauty of the basic human movements make for an easy template for the DMPM, the element I ponder the most is the type and amount of ground work I include. In that regard Dan Martin's experiment with shoulder rolls is helpful. Although I perform them (all too sporadically) I wonder if there is an effective minimal dose for them. It's a tough question, I know, since everyone is in a different place considering age, mobility, goals, and desired outcomes. Getting up off the floor is still easy for me in the "get back up" series scheme of things, but at age 62 I take nothing for granted.
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10-21-18 04:27 PM - Post#872456    

Hi all,

I did my first DMPM tonight. I'm still a bit unsure how to use it. Is it a "program" where you aim to make progress over time? If so, in what - heavier kettlebell? More reps? Make it into a circuit?

Or is it something you do "between programs", no specific progression, just make sure you move every day? If so, I can see well how you would feel good after 2-3 weeks of it, but how far will it take you?

I guess you all do it differently..


FYI, what I did:

Starter:
- PVC pipe circuit (roll, pitch, yaw, javelin dislocates
- Halos
- sit-ups, bridges
- stoney stretch

Main course (with 16kg bell), non-stop as a circuit:
- Swings: 15x5
- Push-ups: 5-4-3-2-1
- Goblets: 5-4-3-2-1

The "main course" took 4min and felt like a fairly good warmup, so afterwards - I did my usual EES stuff: 10 reps total of deadlift, pull-ups and one-arm presses, usually in 2s and 3s. The DLs were great, probably as I don't usually warm up the hinge pattern that much first.

Dessert:
- walk up and down the garden with two bells (20+24) until grip went. Stretch in front of TV later.




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10-21-18 05:30 PM - Post#872460    

I’m the last person to suggest anything, really! But just doing the various iterations of the DMPM with a 24 kg KB is all you need to do to develop a level of physical fitness for life. If you need to do more, do more. Just don’t do any less.
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10-21-18 05:40 PM - Post#872462    

  • DanMartin Said:
I’m the last person to suggest anything, really! But just doing the various iterations of the DMPM with a 24 kg KB is all you need to do to develop a level of physical fitness for life. If you need to do more, do more. Just don’t do any less.



Aha! I own an 8kg, a 16 and a 20. I guess I'm just not getting any benefit from 5x15 swings at this weight - they feel trivial.
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10-21-18 09:51 PM - Post#872473    

Yes, you need a 24 and maybe a 28 or 32.
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10-22-18 01:15 PM - Post#872502    

Whoa, now a DMPM standard? I'm way behind, since I've always done the push/pull/squat moves descending 5-1. And I just bought a 24. Got some work to do.

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Increase the weight of the KB, increase the reps, from 5-1 descending to 5x5, (swings from 10 to 15+) decrease the rest time between sets, are all ways to progress. If you're getting results with the load you have, keep at it. I started with a 16, worked with a 20 for the summer, just bought a 24.

I remember reading ETK Pavel relating that the 24 was the standard issue military load. Seems like that is a good place for a Program Minimum standard. I also think that 24 should be the S&S Simple standard.
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10-22-18 01:48 PM - Post#872505    

To digress further, I would caution to just doing more. Of course then, what are you going to do once you reach the top end of the numbers? Go harder! Particularly the swings. Lock down at the top of your swings. Work on your return and reverse.

My point? Doing the DMPM allows you the time, energy and fitness to do other things.
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10-23-18 09:39 AM - Post#872551    

Afternoon all

I have been exploring and working around the idea of 'minimum effective dose' for a while now.

Outside of my OS work (this is daily and involves all resets being covered. I crawl 5-6 days a week - I mix easy and hard days) - I just try and keep anything else I do really simple and in a DMPM vane eg:
Bodyweight squats and hold in the bottom position
Kneeling tall glute bridge
PUPP or a few pushups or band chest press
Band pull aparts

Nothing really taxing....just moving joints.

Richard

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10-23-18 01:05 PM - Post#872562    

  • Ricky01 Said:
Afternoon all

I have been exploring and working around the idea of 'minimum effective dose' for a while now.

Outside of my OS work (this is daily and involves all resets being covered. I crawl 5-6 days a week - I mix easy and hard days) - I just try and keep anything else I do really simple and in a DMPM vane eg:
Bodyweight squats and hold in the bottom position
Kneeling tall glute bridge
PUPP or a few pushups or band chest press
Band pull aparts

Nothing really taxing....just moving joints.

Richard




And what have been your takeaways?

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10-23-18 05:20 PM - Post#872576    

  • Ricky01 Said:
Afternoon all
Nothing really taxing....just moving joints.




5 years ago before meeting you fine folk, I was exhorting runners to "move joints". Pretty simple mantra: move all the joints through the fullest range of movements, against a resistance hard enough to notice but not enough that you can't repeat it the next day. To me that's the fundamental step to stay healthy and avoid overuse injuries from "nothing but running".

But, it didn't involve a kettlebell, so I can't claim it was a DMPM variant.
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10-24-18 07:14 AM - Post#872590    

It works....I was performing a long crawl each week. The times were up at 40 minutes backwards and 50 minutes forwards.



I started playing about with mini band (around wrists) loaded crawls. I found that these cannot be done for long periods of time as they are just plain hard (talk about loading your breathing). To see if this minimum effective dose banded crawling was working I went back and retested the long crawls and found that although they were difficult, I managed my target time and was in much better control of my breathing throughout (and therefore in much better control of my movement).



These shorter time frame crawls mean that I work up to about 10 minutes of band resisted crawling before changing to a harder band and dropping the time back down to 5 minutes. The short time frames allow for me to try out some other movements and not completely tax my recovery ability - which I found to be ideal when my son was off of summer break and I didn't want to disappear for 50 minutes to crawl - after all, I want to move better, be fitter/stronger so that I can be a present active father.



I should say that the minimum effective dose doesn't always work out how I plan. Yesterday After my resets and banded crawls I decided to practice some handstand work against the wall ( I do not like being upside down haha).



This extra work means my shoulders are a little sore today, so I literally backwards crawled for 3 minutes and called it a day today. Sometimes I just cant help myself. So even within the daily movement, you have to make decisions based upon how you feel and lessen the workload if needed.



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10-24-18 07:15 AM - Post#872591    

  • Old Miler Said:
5 years ago before meeting you fine folk, I was exhorting runners to "move joints". Pretty simple mantra: move all the joints through the fullest range of movements, against a resistance hard enough to notice but not enough that you can't repeat it the next day. To me that's the fundamental step to stay healthy and avoid overuse injuries from "nothing but running".

But, it didn't involve a kettlebell, so I can't claim it was a DMPM variant.



Wise words....I like Dan saying of 'It worked so well I stopped doing it.' I have to remind myself about that often. Little and often....

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10-24-18 08:33 AM - Post#872594    

I have only been doing loaded carries and hill sprints the last months

Carry some bells or a log to a hill
Sprint
Carry some bells or a log back

I don't think there is anything more sustainable and scalable workout than that
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10-24-18 08:58 AM - Post#872596    

  • SinisterAlex Said:
I have only been doing loaded carries and hill sprints the last months

Carry some bells or a log to a hill
Sprint
Carry some bells or a log back

I don't think there is anything more sustainable and scalable workout than that



Alex that looks amazing.

I while back I had a really fun series of workouts (one I will return to as more of a working template if I ever tire of what I am doing now) - it was:
Farmers carry 2 x up/down gym
Walking lunge 1 x up/down gym

Overhead carry 2 x up/down gym
Overhead lunge 1 x up/down gym

Bear hug carry 2 x up/down gym
Bear hug lunge 1 x up/down gym

Simple, fast and everything was worked. It could obviously be made harder by repeating things more often, but that wasn't the point.

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10-24-18 09:45 AM - Post#872598    

These templates can be loaded to be really hard or just "tonic"-workouts

It's almost an infinite way to do these "DMPMs" that other templates don't have - i can't really tell why, but it seems that way from experience
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10-24-18 11:17 AM - Post#872605    

  • SinisterAlex Said:
These templates can be loaded to be really hard or just "tonic"-workouts

It's almost an infinite way to do these "DMPMs" that other templates don't have - i can't really tell why, but it seems that way from experience



For those that can afford it, using heavier kettlebells other than a 24 kg is perfectly fine. But, there is a point of diminishing returns, at least in my opinion.

Bear with me...You can find all sorts of examples online of trainee's using heavier and I mean heavier kettlebells doing the various exercises I espouse. But, after awhile you're really not going to move better or with greater ease. You're just going to get better at doing those movements with a heavier kettlebell.

That said, I've been known to use my 32 kg kettlebell for the DMPM with no adverse consequences. YMMV

PS, the whole point of the DMPM is to move better and to feel better. And, that you could and should do it most every day. You start bumping the load up, you probably shouldn't(do it every day),but I digress.

To digress even further, if real, tangible strength is your goal, the barbell is your friend.

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10-24-18 11:29 AM - Post#872607    

Yes, but you can occasionaly load heavier...

The Norwegian elite-skiers has a rule of thumb that 95% of their training is done submaximally with only 5% being high intensity....

Yes, these are endurance-athletes but i think the principle would work fine with DMPM....
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10-24-18 11:50 AM - Post#872608    

Perhaps...but I'm not an elite Norwegian skier.

I think you're right, you could occasionally go heavier. I'm just not sold on the value of doing so.

I'm a broken down old fireman who was pulled off the scrap heap by Dan John. And my trials and tribulations of recovery have led me to this point. Like I said, once you get to using a 24 kg kettlebell routinely, I'm not sure going heavier matters.

My whole thought process on the DMPM was for the trainee who needs to do something structured and unstructured. They can keep a couple of KB's stashed in the corner of a room, do the DMPM and go do what ever it is they do. By that I mean, walk, jog, row, ride a bike, go for a swim, do yard work, what-have-you.

But, and it's a big but, I'm not against someone trying to see how far or how heavy they could go. I'm just suggesting that that is going to take them away from the concept/purpose of the DMPM.
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10-24-18 12:39 PM - Post#872610    

Having said that, i am not sure where i said you should go heavier or farther...

What i meant was "waving the load"

Just have to see in a years time or something what has come out of this - i intend to stick to it for a while to reap the benefits...
You are an old firefighter, i am just injured - in a way we are in the same boat



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10-24-18 01:04 PM - Post#872611    

Like I wrote, you can have at it how ever you want. But, the point of doing the DMPM is getting better at moving around. If "waving the load" is what it takes, wave on.

For those few following along at home, I don't want them to get distracted and think they need to go heavier than a 24 kg kettlebll to reap the benefits of the DMPM. YMMV
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10-24-18 01:24 PM - Post#872612    

  • DanMartin Said:
Like I wrote, you can have at it how ever you want. But, the point of doing the DMPM is getting better at moving around. If "waving the load" is what it takes, wave on.

For those few following along at home, I don't want them to get distracted and think they need to go heavier than a 24 kg kettlebll to reap the benefits of the DMPM. YMMV



Maybe one reaches a point where longevity with the 24 kg (or whatever) is key. Eg - "I'm 50 something and doing this. Can I still be doing it when I'm 60 something? 70 something?"

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10-24-18 01:46 PM - Post#872613    

  • Bill Ripley Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
Like I wrote, you can have at it how ever you want. But, the point of doing the DMPM is getting better at moving around. If "waving the load" is what it takes, wave on.

For those few following along at home, I don't want them to get distracted and think they need to go heavier than a 24 kg kettlebll to reap the benefits of the DMPM. YMMV



Maybe one reaches a point where longevity with the 24 kg (or whatever) is key. Eg - "I'm 50 something and doing this. Can I still be doing it when I'm 60 something? 70 something?"




That's my plan.
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10-24-18 03:18 PM - Post#872615    

I have used the 24 for DMPM with good results. Earlier today I picked up my 32 from the garage, where I usually train to the hallway where I train now as Im home with my son (11 months) and can only do my workouts when he sleeps. The evening is spent with the family. I have not tried the 32 yet, but I will to see if it adds anything.

In regards to weight used and longevity. For me, being 35, Im not old but my body has a heck of a miles on it due to powerlifting like my life depended on it 5-10 years old, with shitty form.

My standard right now is to at least maintain my baseline of strength standards. If I can do DMPM when Im 45, 55, 65 or 75 .. well that mean I maintained the baseline while the body got older, less strong, less agile etc .. that has to count as progress.

Excuse my rambling, it might not make any sense.
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10-25-18 05:37 AM - Post#872641    

Anthrax, I agree as I train a lot at home with my son in the room with me. He is 5 and loves asking what I am up to and joining in moving around.


My session today (DMPM esque):

Backwards crawling with heavy band around wrists - 7.30 minutes.

Heavy hands marching with 2.5kg discs - 2.5 minutes


2 rounds
3 x Hang 15 seconds, 1 pullup - no break
3 x KB bottom squat hold, 1 squat - no break

1 round
3 x 20 second bottom of pushup hold (just off the floor), 1 pushup - no break.

Resets....

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02-03-19 01:04 PM - Post#877602    

Hi, Dan! It’s a new year and I was just wondering what your latest version of the DMPM is? I always love reading about it.

Also, just curious - is the McGill Big 3 part of the DMPM now?
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02-25-19 07:48 PM - Post#878837    

As an aside, I decided to do the DMPM today.

1. Goblet Squat
2. Push-Up
3. Two-Hand Swing
4. Bulgarian Bag Spin
5. Suitcase Walk

It went well. If any of you noticed I substituted the Bag Spin for the TRX row.

The bag spin is a trip. Because of my fouled up left shoulder it took over a year of daily bar hangs to make it right. Now I can spin like a ‘sum bitch. I know my main man DJ has a lot of mobility solutions and I dig them all, but lately I’ve found the Bar Hang and Saigon Squat to be sine qua non. YMMV
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02-28-19 08:09 AM - Post#878962    

  • DanMartin Said:
As an aside, I decided to do the DMPM today.

1. Goblet Squat
2. Push-Up
3. Two-Hand Swing
4. Bulgarian Bag Spin
5. Suitcase Walk

It went well. If any of you noticed I substituted the Bag Spin for the TRX row.

The bag spin is a trip. Because of my fouled up left shoulder it took over a year of daily bar hangs to make it right. Now I can spin like a ‘sum bitch. I know my main man DJ has a lot of mobility solutions and I dig them all, but lately I’ve found the Bar Hang and Saigon Squat to be sine qua non. YMMV



Very interesting Dan.

Have you been doing a certain amount of time per day of hanging? And also are you doing passive or active hangs or both?
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02-28-19 09:00 AM - Post#878963    

I just hang. A few times I tried to do some active hanging which was no more than a vertical shrug. It caused pain, and not the good kind.

Three 45-60 second hangs is what I do now. It seems to be enough.

The bar hang and Saigon squat go a long ways towards combating the ills of sitting. YMMV
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02-28-19 09:05 AM - Post#878965    

As we come to near the publication of my next book, I am starting work on...the next.

Does this deserve an entire chapter/discussion in a book? I don't want to lose this to history.
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02-28-19 09:57 AM - Post#878967    

  • Dan John Said:
As we come to near the publication of my next book, I am starting work on...the next.

Does this deserve an entire chapter/discussion in a book? I don't want to lose this to history.



I think people need reminding of this sort of layout/workout etc. It something we all know at least something about....we understand that doing something lower impact on a regular basis makes us feel good and doesn't dent time/recovery.

That being said, this sort of training doesn't give appear on the surface to deliver a stream of PR's/PB's in the gym.

I don't follow the movements above, but have taken great inspiration from this idea and now use it with my OS practice and actual feel my weekly volume (using time as a load) of movements like crawling is going up without the fatigue side effects I was starting to experience before.

I had been using band resisted backwards crawls. I was pushing the time up each week but finding that these harder session - however short - were requiring more rest days (not necessarily a bad thing). I have found that shorter crawls using the same load 4-5 times a week, sometimes twice in a day (about 5 minutes each time) is leaving me energised.

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02-28-19 10:57 AM - Post#878968    

  • Dan John Said:
As we come to near the publication of my next book, I am starting work on...the next.

Does this deserve an entire chapter/discussion in a book? I don't want to lose this to history.



I don't think you need to, but I'm biased. That said, the more people are exposed to all the outlandish information on the Internet and the silly Bro-Science in the gym, there is a place for the DMPM in most folks training kit.

Yesterday while I was doing the latest iteration of the DMPM, a Goblet squat to be specific, I thought to myself that doing the DMPM when I'm 75, which is only ten years away, would be a good thing.

When I posted earlier about doing the Bulgarian bag spin because my shoulder joint worked better it was done so with a sense of joy. And, it was done to show that if you hang in there (pun intended) and focus on the journey rather than the destination things may work out in your favor.

When I started hanging from the bar in November of 2017 I was anything but optimistic. It hurt, and hurt, and hurt. Supposedly, according to Dr. Kirsch, I was not causing any additional injury. It was merely adhesions tearing apart and the various bones being moved around towards their correct position. Right...it hurt like hell and for awhile it sounded like tearing canvas. In fact, it hurt so much I had to use grip hooks because my grip would let go rather than hold on.

So, in a sense, hanging from a bar and sitting in a deep squat position daily and for protracted periods of time may help offset the debilitating effects of sitting. (also known as the new smoking)

Naturally, doing anywhere from 25-50 Goblet squats two or three times a week is good. But that is not enough squatting. I will quote Dan who quoted Dan Gable, "if it's important, do it every." Dropping into a deep squat and just sitting there and moving around a bit really loosens me up. YMMV


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03-17-19 04:07 PM - Post#879757    

I have been reading this excellent forum for a few days now and have finally built up the courage to post my version - I have simply replaced swings with snatches performing 5 - 8 left / right followed by the Goblet squats and Push ups 5 4 3 2 1 ladder. I began this in the new year having used the Humane Burpee for a couple of years as my core of my training. I have called this the Humane Tsar Burpee as a nod to the snatch being the Tsar of kettlebell lifts.
I hope this meets with people's approval.
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03-20-19 05:14 PM - Post#879924    

The Humane Tsar Burpee looks good. It's actually close to what I planning for tomorrow so I'll try your version out.
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03-22-19 01:47 PM - Post#880010    

Can I just say how beautiful the DMPM is, and that I think it should never be codified or reduced to a "routine"? It is alive and organic, always changing to fit your needs. And If you read this thread you KNOW what it is, even if it has thousand different faces. When in doubt, DMPM.

My DMPM right now (Butt Blaster version)
25x Hip Thrust
10x Goblet Squat
15x 2H Swing
Band Walk
For 3-5 Rounds

10x TYI Ring Rows
10x Proper Pushups (Can we just call it Pushup and cancel the regular Pushups from now on?)
For 3-5 Rounds

Finish with Suitcase Carry

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03-27-19 06:39 AM - Post#880262    

Hey everyone


I recently reached a long term goal of mine and managed to backwards crawl for 60 minutes. I can say that at this moment I have no desire to try and extend this - though I remember saying that when I hit 30 minutes and look where that got me haha.


In reality my training isn't changing a huge amount. Recently I have been loading my crawling with bands a couple of times a week and pushing the times up each week. I had been experimenting with the 'Strength is the glass principle'. I never crawled for more than 10 minutes at a time (recently this was often closer to 5 minutes) and hit a 12 minute PB to get my 60 minute crawl.


I had felt some recovery issues so this is a welcome change to energy levels....I have also increased 'rough' daily carb intake from about 80g's a day to about 150g's - this is definitely helping too.


NOW....I am still loading my gait pattern, in a couple of ways. Instead of two main sessions a week I am now moving daily (roughly 5 days a week) with the DMPM kind of a feel haha.


I tend to train first thing. I am loading my crawls for as little as 3 minutes (but with an extra heavy AND a light mini band around the wrists, this feels like an eternity). Up until now I haven't crawled for less than 5 minutes really, so this short block feels really recoverable, regardless of the difficulty.

I usually follow this up with some kind of loaded carry (this morning it was double KB rack carry) for 2-3 minutes.


Then its simply run through some resets and a couple of tension movements eg tension planks, side plank etc - so I am sticking with my 3C's principle (Core, Crawls and Carries).

Then during the day I might add in some band pullaparts, rocking pushups - if the opportunity presents or time allows.


I guess my goals are continued pain free movement....continued improvement in total body control....I would also like to gain a few pounds without beating myself up in the process, hence the dietary alterations.


I will feed back as I go.


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04-06-19 08:00 AM - Post#880649    

Finally tried the Humane Tzar Burpee and it does get the blood pumping nicely and goes quickly.
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04-06-19 04:10 PM - Post#880664    

  • Steve Rogers Said:
Finally tried the Humane Tzar Burpee and it does get the blood pumping nicely and goes quickly.



Pleased you enjoyed it Steve. Although enjoy may be pushing it a bit
Glad it worked for you.

Best regards

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05-22-19 09:58 AM - Post#882510    

Life is hectic and stressful right now and 3 full body workouts a week is not working out too well, so am going to go back to 4-6 easy daily DMPM style workouts instead.

Have given myself some options because I won’t stick to the exact same workout every day. But it goes a little something like this:

Swings 75 reps
Goblet squats OR single kb reverse lunge OR box jumps 25-50 reps
Pushups OR dips 25-50 reps
Pull-ups OR Rows: inverted bw OR bent over with DBs OR trx 25-50 reps (less if pull-ups)
Windmills OR hanging knees to elbows

With either a 20kg kb at work, or a 24 at home

Trying to get a 30 mins fast walk most days too, time and weather permitting.

Will report back.
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06-18-19 11:12 AM - Post#883665    

Summer always seems like a good time to go back to the DMPM. For the next few months, my plan (3 days per week) is:

Swings 5x20 (paired with GS 5,4,3,2,1)
Dips and Pull-Ups or KB Rows/Presses (5,4,3,2,1)
Some sort of Loaded Carry

For the next few months, I was thinking of adding one extra "thing" each day for variety (sprints, rowing, Easy Strength-style deadlifts, etc.) depending on how I feel and where I am (outside vs gym), although I am wary of trying to "turn a firecracker into a space shuttle."

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06-18-19 01:16 PM - Post#883673    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
Summer always seems like a good time to go back to the DMPM. For the next few months, my plan (3 days per week) is:

Swings 5x20 (paired with GS 5,4,3,2,1)
Dips and Pull-Ups or KB Rows/Presses (5,4,3,2,1)
Some sort of Loaded Carry

For the next few months, I was thinking of adding one extra "thing" each day for variety (sprints, rowing, Easy Strength-style deadlifts, etc.) depending on how I feel and where I am (outside vs gym), although I am wary of trying to "turn a firecracker into a space shuttle."




If I may...I think that it's a good idea. But if it was me, I would look for those "things" that would not be redundant compared to your DMPM choices.
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06-29-19 02:16 PM - Post#884107    

Thanks Dan. After giving it some thought, I think I’ll stick to the DMPM and maybe add in some crawls/sprints/rowing/cor rectives. If my workout ADHD really kicks in maybe I’ll do something different one day a week, but right now I’m dealing with some general aches and pains so focusing on fundamental human movements seems like a good plan.
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08-08-19 11:44 AM - Post#885883    

Are the DMPM (and its variations) still going strong?

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09-04-19 10:17 AM - Post#887252    

Yes, loaded carries and hill-sprints for me three times a week
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09-04-19 02:40 PM - Post#887268    

Returned to DMPM after a long fuckaroundits.

Have I done any loaded carries during this hiatus period? No.
Did my body cracked back in to place while doing it to day? Yes.

3 x 30s of waiter walks, 3 x 30s of racked walks and 3 x 30s of suitcase walks really did me good!

Loaded carries rocks!


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09-05-19 07:38 AM - Post#887306    

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Yes, loaded carries and hill-sprints for me three times a week



Loaded carries and hill sprints.... Cant make it that much simpler .... or .... effective.

D-breathing throughout
Moving planks and gait pattern training

A recipe for success.

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09-06-19 12:33 AM - Post#887361    

  • Ricky01 Said:
  • SinisterAlex Said:
Yes, loaded carries and hill-sprints for me three times a week



Loaded carries and hill sprints.... Cant make it that much simpler .... or .... effective.

D-breathing throughout
Moving planks and gait pattern training

A recipe for success.

Richard



I have stopped squatting with bell or barbell, i just do uphillsprints.

Suprisingly, this type of training is great for aesthetics and bang for the buck.....

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09-06-19 09:49 AM - Post#887380    

Yesterday (9/6/19) I was teasing Dan (John) on Facebook. Naturally, Dan was his cheerful self about it all, but it lead to a good point.

I'm going on an adventure tomorrow. (Headwaters of the Mississippi River. Getting my inner Mark Twain on.) Upon my return I will make up a DMPM cheat sheet and put it into a PDF format. (Being the Luddite that I am, it may be a technological miracle when the PDF happens.)

It's amusing to me that after all these years and iterations the bare bones basic DMPM still stands tall.

Of course, it will be nothing you haven't already seen before, but it will be current and it will fit on one sheet of paper.

I'll see if I can figure out how to attach a photo of my Courage Corner! It still blows my mind that after all these years of lifting and training and going through various home gyms I have an 8 foot by 6 foot space that probably is my most satisfying gym so far.
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09-07-19 12:07 AM - Post#887429    

Wonderful news!

If you name it The Slow and the Old it would be hilarious!
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09-07-19 06:37 AM - Post#887438    

The Slow and the Old - i would pay for that book
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Ordinary Training for the Slow & Old!

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09-07-19 08:44 AM - Post#887442    

After my first back-injury, i recovered using McGills methods and later started doing DMPM.

Worked great. Worked so great that i held a seminar called "The case for training as a 60-year old" - i am not sure if that is offensive or genuis....
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09-07-19 02:09 PM - Post#887454    

  • SinisterAlex Said:
After my first back-injury, i recovered using McGills methods and later started doing DMPM.

Worked great. Worked so great that i held a seminar called "The case for training as a 60-year old" - i am not sure if that is offensive or genuis....



Little off topic, but can you elaborate on your recovery methods? Was it though one of his books or elsewhere? I have a nagging lower back that needs much love and low volume to work and this might be oof help for me.
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09-09-19 11:11 AM - Post#887519    

  • SinisterAlex Said:


I have stopped squatting with bell or barbell, i just do uphillsprints.

Suprisingly, this type of training is great for aesthetics and bang for the buck.....




Of movements such as these, I like to say - you don't have to do a lot, for it to be a lot.

I can fully support the idea that they would being about strength and aesthetic improvements.
Short intense bursts of effort with a huge amount of explosive gait pattern work - loaded by gradient of running surface (though a sled is fun too).

Alongside loaded carries - asking you to naturally maintain good posture (a reflexive position) and breath properly under load.

Nice.

After my recent crawling challenge - and before training ramps up for the next one - mine is backwards hill crawls (about 50m's) x 1-2 (depends how I feel that day)....
Side plank clams (mini bands around knees - I treat it as a loaded gait pattern movement)....
Some straight arm band pulldowns - how I stand varies (switches whole upper back on for me).
Lying upper back Y's, swimmers hovers etc.

That's the basis of everything. I might throw in other things or change to forwards sled crawls, but at the moment that's the bulk of it.

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09-09-19 04:32 PM - Post#887527    

  • DanMartin Said:
Ordinary Training for the Slow & Old!




Great title!

A long time ago I was studying Japanese for a few years. There were books with names like "Japanese for busy people", "Japanese made easy", "Japanese in ten minutes a day" etc. Jack Seward wrote an honest and very funny memoir on the experience of learning the language, which ended up being called "Japanese in Action", and I highly recommend to anyone (or their kids) who sets out to learn any hard language.

In the preface he said, "I wanted to call it 'Japanese in 30 hard years', but the publisher wouldn't let me!"


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09-11-19 06:47 AM - Post#887592    

  • DanMartin Said:
Yesterday (9/6/19) I was teasing Dan (John) on Facebook. Naturally, Dan was his cheerful self about it all, but it lead to a good point.

I'm going on an adventure tomorrow. (Headwaters of the Mississippi River. Getting my inner Mark Twain on.) Upon my return I will make up a DMPM cheat sheet and put it into a PDF format. (Being the Luddite that I am, it may be a technological miracle when the PDF happens.)

It's amusing to me that after all these years and iterations the bare bones basic DMPM still stands tall.

Of course, it will be nothing you haven't already seen before, but it will be current and it will fit on one sheet of paper.

I'll see if I can figure out how to attach a photo of my Courage Corner! It still blows my mind that after all these years of lifting and training and going through various home gyms I have an 8 foot by 6 foot space that probably is my most satisfying gym so far.



Dont mean to disturb your adventure, just want to express my eagerness for the DMPM! Please, set up a donation so we who want to support it actually can!

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09-11-19 12:44 PM - Post#887608    

I have been doing a sorta DMPM as workouts with my GF a few times.

Set up a 4 stations.

Goblet squat
Row
Deadlift / swings
Press / pushups

I go you go style.

Anyway I have been doing mainly 50/20 using c&pp for a good few months.
Aiming for 50 reps in 20 mins for those that don't know.

However while doing the workouts with my GF I really liked what 2H swings with a 44kg made my glutes feel like.
Even though I was using 44kg (20kg +24kg bells) in 50/20 for my c&pp it just didn't fire up my glutes the same..

So I have just did my first official DMPM using a 32 kg bell

Goblet squats 7 reps
Push ups. 7 reps
2 hand swings. 15 reps

Finished with waiter walks with 24 kg bell.

I was suprised how gassed this made me feel.
Maybe I am just having an off day but man I was huffing.

Decided next time I am going to change the reps to 5,5 & 10 for swings.
I could use a lighter bell but I don't think it will hit my glutes quite like what I am after.

Not sure how long I am going to do this.

A few weeks, few months who knows.

Plan to go back to 50/20 after.

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09-20-19 07:07 AM - Post#887986    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.






Hi,
sorry for disturbing in the man cave....
What does DMPM acronym actually stand for?

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DMPM
;-)

I'd like to device some variation for myself that I could (as explained in this thread)- execute daily.
One Q: Can I do the routine in the mornings every day and do lifting 3x a week pm? (DL,OHP,BP and squat prgm)
Thanks.
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09-20-19 10:09 AM - Post#887996    

  • pink.pixie Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.






Hi,
sorry for disturbing in the man cave....
What does DMPM acronym actually stand for?

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DMPM


I'd like to device some variation for myself that I could (as explained in this thread)- execute daily.
One Q: Can I do the routine in the mornings every day and do lifting 3x a week pm? (DL,OHP,BP and squat prgm)
Thanks.




Drink More Post More ... just kidding ;-)


Its Dan Martin Program Minimum. Aside from this whole tread of info here is some more Lifetime Warrioe Workouts

DMPM is usually done as a stand alone program or in conjunction with other activities, hiking, running or biking etc. I have not done DMPM along with barbell workouts the same day.
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09-20-19 10:58 AM - Post#887999    

  • pink.pixie Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
After years of, as the man himself once put it, trying to turn every firecracker into the space shuttle, I’ve settled into a version of the DMPM. Surprise, surprise - it seems to be yielding results.

All of which got me thinking, given how often it gets referenced, could we have a sticky devoted to it?

I for one, would be interested in seeing what people - including DM - are doing with it.





I'm glad to hear that. On paper the DMPM doesn't look like much. Especially compared to most "mainstream" routines. The first few times someone actually tries it, it doesn't seem like much either.

After a few weeks when you feel and move better, it becomes obvious that your efforts have paid off. There is no reason to flog yourself in the gym.






Hi,
sorry for disturbing in the man cave....
What does DMPM acronym actually stand for?

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DMPM
;-)

I'd like to device some variation for myself that I could (as explained in this thread)- execute daily.
One Q: Can I do the routine in the mornings every day and do lifting 3x a week pm? (DL,OHP,BP and squat prgm)
Thanks.




The DMPM stands for training excellence, the will to succeed and the exercises needed to get there...you could certainly do these exercises in the morning, whether or not it would detract or benefit your PM efforts would remain to be seen. However, if it was me, I would do the DMPM the morning after your PM barbell sessions as a "tonic" rather than 8 days a week.
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09-20-19 11:47 PM - Post#888034    

  • DanMartin Said:

The DMPM stands for training excellence, the will to succeed and the exercises needed to get there....



Splendid, than I've got it right.

However, the letter combination itself hunted me for days like a ghost so I had to put it at rest.

DMPM combo with other weight stuff 8 days a week, not a brilliant idea, roger. You just kindly saved me from some unnecessary troubles, thx.
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09-21-19 12:42 AM - Post#888035    

  • Arthax Said:

Its Dan Martin Program Minimum. Aside from this whole tread of info here is some more Lifetime Warrioe Workouts

DMPM is usually done as a stand alone program or in conjunction with other activities, hiking, running or biking etc. I have not done DMPM along with barbell workouts the same day.



Thanks, super!
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10-01-19 11:44 AM - Post#888443    

I have settled on a DMPM as follows.

Warm up & cool down with OS resets + Cossack squats, hip bridges & hip flexor stretch


Goblet squats 5 reps
Push ups. 5 reps
2 hand swings. 10 reps

Cooke walk to finish (waiter walk to rack walk to suitcase walk)

Going to aim to hit it every day but know life will get in the way.

One thing I added for a bit of variety is a dice roll to choose the intensity.

This means I will do swings & GB squats with a 24-40kg KB range

Push ups from BW to two different types of resistance band range.

Cooke walks with a 20-32kg KB range

Adds a nice bit of variety.

One thing I have noticed already is after only 10 workouts of DMPM I have noticed I seem to be leaning out.

Am about 2kg lighter.


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10-01-19 12:00 PM - Post#888444    

I am going to do a DMPM PDF, I promise. I have a vacation coming up and will get after it upon my return.

However, there are some days, and today is one of them, I am so damn sore after yesterday's workout. Hopefully today's walk and stretching will help relieve the pain.
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10-01-19 06:38 PM - Post#888456    

  • DanMartin Said:
I am going to do a DMPM PDF, I promise. I have a vacation coming up and will get after it upon my return.

However, there are some days, and today is one of them, I am so damn sore after yesterday's workout. Hopefully today's walk and stretching will help relieve the pain.



Look forward to it.
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10-11-19 04:11 PM - Post#888964    

Is anyones version of the DMPM or similar changing as we move through the year towards winter?

Richard
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10-14-19 01:13 PM - Post#889040    

I'm adding BB rows in tonight.

GB squat
push up
Row
Swing.
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10-14-19 01:14 PM - Post#889041    

I'm adding BB rows in tonight.

GB squat
push up
Row
Swing.
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10-15-19 11:52 AM - Post#889086    

  • DanMartin Said:
I am going to do a DMPM PDF, I promise. I have a vacation coming up and will get after it upon my return.

However, there are some days, and today is one of them, I am so damn sore after yesterday's workout. Hopefully today's walk and stretching will help relieve the pain.



Dan I’m not sure how your design skills are but if you want some help laying out a PDF I’d be happy to help... just send me some notes or scribbles and I can throw something together.
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11-05-19 10:07 AM - Post#889894    

I have 5 more workouts to hit 40 days of Easy Strength, which I did as my annual bus bench program. After that, I’m planning on park benching it with the DMPM for a few months. Was thinking something like this (modeled after the DJ tonic workout):

Mini-band lateral walks (have really helped with my hip pain)
15-25 deep goblet squats with a good “pause” at the bottom
15-25 light stiff-Leg deadlifts
15-25 dips
15-25 pull-ups
Loaded carry

If I have time maybe I’ll hit the rowing machine before I’m out the door. Winter and cold weather always makes me feel “tight” so I think this should keep me feeling loose. Other than that tell be a lot of waking/no elevators.
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11-05-19 01:57 PM - Post#889915    

I love the "15-25" idea.
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11-27-19 12:57 PM - Post#890810    

A few weeks in and 15 seems to be the magic number. I find when I add more reps, there's a tendency to want to rush to get through them. 3 sets of 5 lets me really focus on form and take my time without rushing. I added in some shoulder dislocations for a little added mobility work during my warm-up, but this seems really sustainable and endlessly tweak-able.
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11-27-19 03:47 PM - Post#890814    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
A few weeks in and 15 seems to be the magic number. I find when I add more reps, there's a tendency to want to rush to get through them. 3 sets of 5 lets me really focus on form and take my time without rushing. I added in some shoulder dislocations for a little added mobility work during my warm-up, but this seems really sustainable and endlessly tweak-able.



Excellent!
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11-27-19 03:57 PM - Post#890815    

I've sort of, kind of, abandoned the DMPM...temporarily.

My back was acting up where it shouldn't and I'm in no mood for anymore epidurals so I switched up my program.

Embracing the "if it's important, do it everyday", my program looks like this:

Warm-Up
Bar Hang

Workout
Plank
Deep Knee Bend
Bird Dog
Hip Bridge
Push-Up
TRX Row

Cardio
Rogue Echo Bike Torture

Cool-Down
Pec-Bicep Stretch
Hip Flexor Stretch
Brettzel

As you can see, there are no kettlebells to be seen. My thought is that I needed to unload my spine for a bit. So far so good.

The Echo Bike is an ass-kicker. I program in 10 miles and let it rip. Anything under 30 minutes is good enough.
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11-29-19 10:04 AM - Post#890839    

Dan

The side plank clams with mini band around knees is pure gold. Keep knees on the ground, ever so slight bend at the hips (stops the lower back from arching to compensate for any glute/Piraformis etc weakness).

This movement alone will do wonderous things for the lower back tieing in the hips with hamstrings below and core (internal/external obliques) above.

Its actually a great gateway movement with which you can add other movements to eg band rows, raises etc.

On another note - I am no longer performing workouts, but instead small sessions of about 5-10 minutes 2-3 times during the day. Rest days are 1-2 sessions.

Also alot more movement exploration....testing movements, playing a lot more. Loving it.

Richard
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01-20-20 02:40 AM - Post#892906    

Dan Martin,

Id there a chance we´ll get the DMPM-book this decade?
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01-20-20 11:08 AM - Post#892920    

  • Arthax Said:
Dan Martin,

Id there a chance we´ll get the DMPM-book this decade?



There is.
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01-20-20 11:44 AM - Post#892921    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • Arthax Said:
Dan Martin,

Id there a chance we´ll get the DMPM-book this decade?



There is.





To much teasing...
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02-05-20 03:10 PM - Post#893742    

If I did cleans instead of swings, would it still be a DMPM?

If it would, about how many cleans are equivalent to 75 swings?
Thanks to everyone who makes this forum so useful and such a good place to be.

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02-05-20 03:58 PM - Post#893745    

I'm guessing that 15-25 number again.
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02-05-20 04:33 PM - Post#893746    

Smashing. Thanks for the answer.
Thanks to everyone who makes this forum so useful and such a good place to be.

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02-10-20 06:59 AM - Post#893974    

DMPM WORKS - Shoulder fixed, slowly back on track

I got physically beaten on Nov-Dec '19 due to very demanding physical construction-type-work. My lower back was exhausted and I managed to get some kind of rotator cuff -issue on my R shoulder.

Jan '20 I took some 2 weeks totally off and then started slowly getting back to training w/ DMPM.

I started very carefully: 5 GS, 3 pushup (that was all I could do having pain in shoulder), 10 swings; 3-5 rnds, 3-4 sessions per week. Plus hanging from the pull-up bar 15-30 sec x 3 sets and some kind of loaded carry every session.

After 2 weeks I switched hanging from the bar to 1-2 pullups; I mixed this with loaded carries. (30-50 m carry, 1-2 pullup, carry, pullup...)

After 4 weeks and 14 sessions I feel great! Without any pain I can do sets of 5 pullups, 10 pushup, 15 swings w/ 32kg. 4 wks ago I couldn't get my hand in vertical OH-position, 3 pushup was maximum and my lower back was stiff, sore and in constant pain.

Just wondering how easy it was! GS, pushup, pullup, swings, loaded carries makes the magic. I could've spent hundreds or thousand(s) of dollars (euros) to physios and MRIscans - and the result most likely is not so good...

My only question is should I just continue or mix in some barbell work? Perhaps some DLs and heavy-ish squat session on weekends? O-lifts are our of question for now. My shoulder can't yet handle the dynamic of OL...
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02-10-20 08:15 AM - Post#893976    

  • Taranenko74 Said:
DMPM WORKS - Shoulder fixed, slowly back on track

I got physically beaten on Nov-Dec '19 due to very demanding physical construction-type-work. My lower back was exhausted and I managed to get some kind of rotator cuff -issue on my R shoulder.

Jan '20 I took some 2 weeks totally off and then started slowly getting back to training w/ DMPM.

I started very carefully: 5 GS, 3 pushup (that was all I could do having pain in shoulder), 10 swings; 3-5 rnds, 3-4 sessions per week. Plus hanging from the pull-up bar 15-30 sec x 3 sets and some kind of loaded carry every session.

After 2 weeks I switched hanging from the bar to 1-2 pullups; I mixed this with loaded carries. (30-50 m carry, 1-2 pullup, carry, pullup...)

After 4 weeks and 14 sessions I feel great! Without any pain I can do sets of 5 pullups, 10 pushup, 15 swings w/ 32kg. 4 wks ago I couldn't get my hand in vertical OH-position, 3 pushup was maximum and my lower back was stiff, sore and in constant pain.

Just wondering how easy it was! GS, pushup, pullup, swings, loaded carries makes the magic. I could've spent hundreds or thousand(s) of dollars (euros) to physios and MRIscans - and the result most likely is not so good...

My only question is should I just continue or mix in some barbell work? Perhaps some DLs and heavy-ish squat session on weekends? O-lifts are our of question for now. My shoulder can't yet handle the dynamic of OL...




Fantastic Taranenko!

Do you need to change something or is it more that you find other suff more interesting? Perhaps you have other goals?
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02-10-20 08:58 AM - Post#893980    

That's great...Dan needs to package this.
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02-10-20 09:57 AM - Post#893985    

  • Taranenko74 Said:
DMPM WORKS - Shoulder fixed, slowly back on track

I got physically beaten on Nov-Dec '19 due to very demanding physical construction-type-work. My lower back was exhausted and I managed to get some kind of rotator cuff -issue on my R shoulder.

Jan '20 I took some 2 weeks totally off and then started slowly getting back to training w/ DMPM.

I started very carefully: 5 GS, 3 pushup (that was all I could do having pain in shoulder), 10 swings; 3-5 rnds, 3-4 sessions per week. Plus hanging from the pull-up bar 15-30 sec x 3 sets and some kind of loaded carry every session.

After 2 weeks I switched hanging from the bar to 1-2 pullups; I mixed this with loaded carries. (30-50 m carry, 1-2 pullup, carry, pullup...)

After 4 weeks and 14 sessions I feel great! Without any pain I can do sets of 5 pullups, 10 pushup, 15 swings w/ 32kg. 4 wks ago I couldn't get my hand in vertical OH-position, 3 pushup was maximum and my lower back was stiff, sore and in constant pain.

Just wondering how easy it was! GS, pushup, pullup, swings, loaded carries makes the magic. I could've spent hundreds or thousand(s) of dollars (euros) to physios and MRIscans - and the result most likely is not so good...

My only question is should I just continue or mix in some barbell work? Perhaps some DLs and heavy-ish squat session on weekends? O-lifts are our of question for now. My shoulder can't yet handle the dynamic of OL...




This post made me smile. I'm the wrong person to respond, but, of course you should stick with it. However, and once again I'm the wrong person to ask, but I'm going to say don't be like the rest of us...if it works, keep working it!
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02-10-20 10:13 AM - Post#893989    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • Taranenko74 Said:
DMPM WORKS - Shoulder fixed, slowly back on track

I got physically beaten on Nov-Dec '19 due to very demanding physical construction-type-work. My lower back was exhausted and I managed to get some kind of rotator cuff -issue on my R shoulder.

Jan '20 I took some 2 weeks totally off and then started slowly getting back to training w/ DMPM.

I started very carefully: 5 GS, 3 pushup (that was all I could do having pain in shoulder), 10 swings; 3-5 rnds, 3-4 sessions per week. Plus hanging from the pull-up bar 15-30 sec x 3 sets and some kind of loaded carry every session.

After 2 weeks I switched hanging from the bar to 1-2 pullups; I mixed this with loaded carries. (30-50 m carry, 1-2 pullup, carry, pullup...)

After 4 weeks and 14 sessions I feel great! Without any pain I can do sets of 5 pullups, 10 pushup, 15 swings w/ 32kg. 4 wks ago I couldn't get my hand in vertical OH-position, 3 pushup was maximum and my lower back was stiff, sore and in constant pain.

Just wondering how easy it was! GS, pushup, pullup, swings, loaded carries makes the magic. I could've spent hundreds or thousand(s) of dollars (euros) to physios and MRIscans - and the result most likely is not so good...

My only question is should I just continue or mix in some barbell work? Perhaps some DLs and heavy-ish squat session on weekends? O-lifts are our of question for now. My shoulder can't yet handle the dynamic of OL...




This post made me smile.



Sir,

Your posts and training ideas made my shoulder healthy. I owe you one. Thank you.

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02-10-20 10:17 AM - Post#893990    

I edited my first comment. I was so moved by it. No kidding.
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02-10-20 10:27 AM - Post#893992    

I can attest to the efficiency of the original DMPM.

It was THE routine that got me going after severe back -injury.

There will be paragraphs written about this.
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03-23-20 06:36 AM - Post#895988    

Can this be considered a DMPM variation? Does including aerobic work in between help or hurt? I’ve managed to keep it up 6 days a week without getting hit too hard. After a couple of weeks, swapping exercises may make sense.

Exercises were chosen thinking about the weird positions that rowers need to be mobile and stabile for:

Warm up:
- 5 semi naked Turkish Get Ups each side.
- Hang from a bar or rings for 20"
- 15 good mornings with a light bar
- sit at bottom of goblet squat for 1’

Begin light rowing or cycling for 10' or 15'

On the 10' or 15’ do a circuit of:
- 15 kettle bell swings
- 10 overhead squats
- 10 reps of a press (push-up, standing, bench)
- 30 band pulls focusing on pinching shoulder blades

At the end of the workout, 8 ab roll outs

Duration: usually 4 rounds.
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03-23-20 11:58 AM - Post#895995    

I would be curious to know how any has or should stay on this program? It seems with some same but "different altercations", I could be sustainable for a long time, but I'm not sure...
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03-23-20 03:44 PM - Post#896005    

Yes, you can do it indefinitely.
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03-23-20 04:02 PM - Post#896009    

  • Steve Rogers Said:
Yes, you can do it indefinitely.



Great thanks!
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03-28-20 10:10 PM - Post#896240    

After reading this whole thread and a lot of Dans other material on park bench/bus bench workouts so much of my training life makes sense to me now. I’ve jumped from one bus bench program to the next for over a decade and never taken a break to do ‘park bench’.

I feel like I have a good handle on the purpose of park bench programs, but I’m wondering how this plays out long term. All of these DMPM workouts you guys have posted, are they your routines for a set period of time until it gets stale? Do you guys rotate exercises at any set intervals? Like every two weeks change it up? Or is every workout slightly different?

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04-07-20 03:11 AM - Post#896576    

  • Jordan Derksen Said:
After reading this whole thread and a lot of Dans other material on park bench/bus bench workouts so much of my training life makes sense to me now. I’ve jumped from one bus bench program to the next for over a decade and never taken a break to do ‘park bench’.

I feel like I have a good handle on the purpose of park bench programs, but I’m wondering how this plays out long term. All of these DMPM workouts you guys have posted, are they your routines for a set period of time until it gets stale? Do you guys rotate exercises at any set intervals? Like every two weeks change it up? Or is every workout slightly different?



I can only talk for myself, but with all training I set an end date, like 8 or 12 weeks. It helps me push hard and keep focus on the task at hand. Keep the goal the goal as a wise man said.

How I set up the workouts differ but I make sure to always include a hinge, squat, pull and push.

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04-20-20 09:13 AM - Post#897092    

Great thread!

To clarify is the DMPM...

A. A program minimum that is intended to give individuals a certain level of strength and mobility, with a point of diminishing returns after a certain level (more than 32kg for example).

B. A program minimum that gives individuals a necessary amount of strength and mobility, but also one that can be progressed(say 40kg and beyond for example) and used to make incremental strength gains over the long haul in a park bench style, sort of like easy strength.

C. Something else and I'm missing the point, being too dualistic, or overthinking...

Thank you all!
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04-20-20 10:56 AM - Post#897095    

  • NJRick Said:
Great thread!

To clarify is the DMPM...

A. A program minimum that is intended to give individuals a certain level of strength and mobility, with a point of diminishing returns after a certain level (more than 32kg for example).

B. A program minimum that gives individuals a necessary amount of strength and mobility, but also one that can be progressed(say 40kg and beyond for example) and used to make incremental strength gains over the long haul in a park bench style, sort of like easy strength.

C. Something else and I'm missing the point, being too dualistic, or overthinking...

Thank you all!



To me, and I'm biased, you get it. The DMPM is a great way to do something that will provide the most bang for the buck.

You could do more, but not too often.
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04-20-20 11:45 AM - Post#897096    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • NJRick Said:
Great thread!

To clarify is the DMPM...

A. A program minimum that is intended to give individuals a certain level of strength and mobility, with a point of diminishing returns after a certain level (more than 32kg for example).

B. A program minimum that gives individuals a necessary amount of strength and mobility, but also one that can be progressed(say 40kg and beyond for example) and used to make incremental strength gains over the long haul in a park bench style, sort of like easy strength.

C. Something else and I'm missing the point, being too dualistic, or overthinking...

Thank you all!



To me, and I'm biased, you get it. The DMPM is a great way to do something that will provide the most bang for the buck.

You could do more, but not too often.




Thank you, sir! Are you implying that both A and B are correct? This beautiful program can be done as a program minimum but is also a solid program to be done "heavy"?

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04-20-20 03:03 PM - Post#897100    

  • NJRick Said:
  • DanMartin Said:
  • NJRick Said:
Great thread!

To clarify is the DMPM...

A. A program minimum that is intended to give individuals a certain level of strength and mobility, with a point of diminishing returns after a certain level (more than 32kg for example).

B. A program minimum that gives individuals a necessary amount of strength and mobility, but also one that can be progressed(say 40kg and beyond for example) and used to make incremental strength gains over the long haul in a park bench style, sort of like easy strength.

C. Something else and I'm missing the point, being too dualistic, or overthinking...

Thank you all!



To me, and I'm biased, you get it. The DMPM is a great way to do something that will provide the most bang for the buck.

You could do more, but not too often.




Thank you, sir! Are you implying that both A and B are correct? This beautiful program can be done as a program minimum but is also a solid program to be done "heavy"?




Sometimes I just don't feel like doing the DMPM so I trick myself into it by saying, "do the warm-up a couple times through and call it a day." I will end up doing the workout.

Most of the time I find using 24kg plenty. But, a 32kg does make it interesting. As I advance into decrepitude, a 20kg is sometimes a good choice.
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04-20-20 04:10 PM - Post#897103    

Thank you so much!
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04-21-20 07:14 AM - Post#897121    

I have recently done

2H swings 32 x 10-10-10-10-10
Goblet Squat 32 x 5-4-3-2-1
Kettlebell Press 24 x 1-2-2-2-1
Pull-ups x 5-4-3-2-1

Loaded Carries x 5 min (different carries every time)

Cant decide if the 24 for 5x15 is "better" than the 32 for 5x10. Keeping the goblet and pull-ups on a hold and slowly trying to build up to a strong 5 sets of 2´s with the kettlebell press.

Its deceptively simple but extreamly effective way of training!
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04-21-20 10:39 AM - Post#897130    

  • Arthax Said:
I have recently done

2H swings 32 x 10-10-10-10-10
Goblet Squat 32 x 5-4-3-2-1
Kettlebell Press 24 x 1-2-2-2-1
Pull-ups x 5-4-3-2-1

Loaded Carries x 5 min (different carries every time)

Cant decide if the 24 for 5x15 is "better" than the 32 for 5x10. Keeping the goblet and pull-ups on a hold and slowly trying to build up to a strong 5 sets of 2´s with the kettlebell press.

Its deceptively simple but extreamly effective way of training!




Looks great Anthrax.

I just posted a wee update (of sorts) unsettled 'Humane Burpee'. Currently being used by a client in the same manner that DMPM is intended.

Richard

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04-21-20 11:55 AM - Post#897135    

Where can I see it?
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04-21-20 11:59 AM - Post#897136    


This is an oldie, but reporting back on a client that has taken to these with gusto since lockdown.

If I am honest, my suggestion with this started out as somewhat of a throw away comment about burpees and KB work....he was a little sceptical, but a few weeks in and he is sceptical no longer.

He admits to not being able to do 10-1 to start with. He started with 8-1....then 9-1....and now 10-1.

We are planning to stick with the 10 sets, but make it 11-2. This is due to a lack of KB's.

Variations for interest and to ensure he sticks with this and doesn't programme hop (more time at home can lead to more surfing the net and longing for 'the next' and obviously best programme): 


1).
He has also tried Swings instead of Goat bags, but he feels far more in control with the goat bags (once he learned how to do them properly).


2).
Two arm presses (holding the KB in both hands) instead of pushups.


3).
Goblet squats and a curl at the bottom every 2nd rep. 


On the whole, he has just stuck to the original and usually tried to do it 3-4x a week. 

Now that he has managed 10-1, he plans to stick with 10-1 for at least 3-4 sessions OR running through each of the variations I outlined....and then moving to 11-2.


Just feeding back incase others were looking for lockdown ideas.


Stay safe 


Richard 
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04-21-20 04:19 PM - Post#897144    

Sounds like a great plan! Keep at it and see where its going! :)
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04-23-20 02:01 AM - Post#897199    

I did this version this morning with my 19 year old daughter:
1. TGU (with hip bridge) + windmill
2. Skipping
3. Swings + Goblets + Pushups
4. TRX shoulder circuit and curls
5. Suitcase carries.

Really good fun. We played paper, rock, scissors to decide who started with skipping and who started with TGU (she won and picked skipping), then we did the rest I go; you go. My daughter didn’t do windmills.
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05-03-20 12:23 PM - Post#897600    

I finished up my first go-round with the 10,000 swings on Thursday. Took a few days off but was feeling "antsy" (as often happens during this lockdown) so I dragged my 2 year old and kettlebells onto the patio and did:

100 swings (sets of 20) mixed with:
5,4,3,2,1 Goblet Squats and Overhead Press
3x5 pull-ups
Waiter walk

Followed this up with a long-walk (and got some extra cardio in chasing my son who refused to stay in the backyard).
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05-11-20 02:02 AM - Post#897857    

I am back on the wagon of the DMPM.

After another hard stint at work ( manual labour wintertime in Norway ) - i need to focus on healing the tissues in my body. My upper back and neck particularly gets stiff.

My plan for the next month:

Warmup

Shaking and jogging ( think oldtime Wrestler-style )
Table Bridge
Upward Facing Dog

Workout


With the 8kg kettlebells and hanging from a bar between each excercise

Double hand swing
Push-up
Crawl

I think this would suffice for now, adding vitamin-D and doubling my protein-intake also.
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05-11-20 09:01 AM - Post#897877    

  • SinisterAlex Said:
I am back on the wagon of the DMPM.

After another hard stint at work ( manual labour wintertime in Norway ) - i need to focus on healing the tissues in my body. My upper back and neck particularly gets stiff.

My plan for the next month:

Warmup

Shaking and jogging ( think oldtime Wrestler-style )
Table Bridge
Upward Facing Dog

Workout


With the 8kg kettlebells and hanging from a bar between each excercise

Double hand swing
Push-up
Crawl

I think this would suffice for now, adding vitamin-D and doubling my protein-intake also.




Sounds like a solid plan Alex.

Repetitions done over time will being success I am sure.

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05-15-20 07:00 PM - Post#898077    

I think I may have veered to far off course but my current DMPM is

Weighted walking lunges x5 reps
Push ups (with bands) X3 reps
Weighted single leg deadlift X5 reps
One arm rows X3 reps

As many sets as I feel like.

Loaded carries (Cooke walks)


ATM my body really likes this.
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06-10-20 05:52 AM - Post#898979    

  • Cearball Said:
I think I may have veered to far off course but my current DMPM is

Weighted walking lunges x5 reps
Push ups (with bands) X3 reps
Weighted single leg deadlift X5 reps
One arm rows X3 reps

As many sets as I feel like.

Loaded carries (Cooke walks)


ATM my body really likes this.



This looks great Cearball. You are moving your body, opening/closing joints and flexing/extending muscles.

I am a little off piste myself. I am essentially doing:

Prone paddles x 50-100
Prone T’s x 20 (ish)
Clams x 10-20
Windshield wipers/egg rolls *
Rocking (I like forearm) *
Prone head nods and rotations * .... These are all for a handful of reps based upon feel.
Hanging x 1 minute
Dan John type TRX pec stretch, but with heavy looped band x 2 minutes.


Every second day add in:
Forwards//backwards mini band around wrists resisted crawling x 5-10 minutes.

Richard

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06-10-20 11:16 AM - Post#898993    

  • Ricky01 Said:
  • Cearball Said:
I think I may have veered to far off course but my current DMPM is

Weighted walking lunges x5 reps
Push ups (with bands) X3 reps
Weighted single leg deadlift X5 reps
One arm rows X3 reps

As many sets as I feel like.

Loaded carries (Cooke walks)


ATM my body really likes this.



This looks great Cearball. You are moving your body, opening/closing joints and flexing/extending muscles.

I am a little off piste myself. I am essentially doing:

Prone paddles x 50-100
Prone T’s x 20 (ish)
Clams x 10-20
Windshield wipers/egg rolls *
Rocking (I like forearm) *
Prone head nods and rotations * .... These are all for a handful of reps based upon feel.
Hanging x 1 minute
Dan John type TRX pec stretch, but with heavy looped band x 2 minutes.


Every second day add in:
Forwards//backwards mini band around wrists resisted crawling x 5-10 minutes.

Richard




Interesting.

Is this inspired alot by OS?

I have read some of the books but are more familiar with the basic resets.

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06-10-20 02:31 PM - Post#898999    

  • Cearball Said:


Interesting.

Is this inspired alot by OS?

I have read some of the books but are more familiar with the basic resets.




Yes, I have been an OS level 1 and 2 coach for a couple of years and it has greatly influenced my movement as well as inspiring my own movement curiosity.

This afternoon I did a movement session that was just:

Prone paddles x 100
Head nods/rotations x about 20 ish
Windshield wipers x 20 ish
Hanging x 1 minute.
Movement combo*....30 seconds of each x 2 for a total of 2 minutes.

Blood throughout the body was great. I felt like I had moved, stretched, everything.

* this is a large looped band held up and behind me (hands in an almost Y position). I allow the band to pull my hands right back (wrists fully extended) which stretches everything (almost a medial nerve stretch - stretch does down into hands) x 30 seconds x 2

I then flex wrists to activate pec and bis as I try and pull hands towards each other (which I can't as the band is too hard) x 30 seconds x 2.

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06-18-20 07:47 PM - Post#899321    

Having switched from a kettlebell-centered routine into ES five weeks ago things were going well until I rolled my right ankle over the weekend while landscaping. Week six was a no go. Fortunately I was planning to transition into the DMPM upon completing this round of ES so I started early. I don't know if it's the "classic":

Swings: 5x15
Goblets, Rows, and Push-ups for 5,4,3,2,1.

Things were going well with the ES, but life happened.
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06-29-20 12:21 PM - Post#899748    

Had a really good 6 week run of one lift a day style olympic lifting. Got up to 90% of my all time bests at the end. Part of me wanted to keep going with it, but I was also starting to feel stressed about it because of summer and figured it's time to move on.

Coming back to the DMPM for the rest of summer. Discovering this little program is the greatest thing for my sanity when it comes to training. Feeling stressed, life getting in the way of training? Just DMPM. For how long? However long ya need. Stress gone, enjoyment of training restored. This is really the ultimate summer/life program. I've developed more of a guideline for myself instead of a strict program so I can keep it fresh day to day, changing rep ranges and movements when needed.

Total rep range for each movement type:
Push: 15-50
Pull: 15-50
Squat: 15-50
Hinge: 50-150
Carry/Abs: At least 1 lap or a set of hanging leg raises/ab wheels.

Movements can be easy or harder, volume can be high or low. The idea is to 'once in a while' pick one movement in a workout and go heavier (volume or weight), but mostly just go easy. So in a 2 week period with 6 total workouts (3x a week) I could go 'heavy' on each of the 5 movements at least once. I have a tool box of movements I can pick from to rotate through for each movement type. There's lots of variability and going by feel, never overextending.

Not all 5 categories of movement have to be done every workout. Some movements can hit multiple movements. For example a DBL KB Clean and Press could be a hinge and push. Muscle ups are push and pull. Try to hit at least 4/5 movements for each session, making sure to get all 5 across the week.

It's gonna be a good summer.

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06-29-20 12:39 PM - Post#899750    

  • Jordan Derksen Said:
Had a really good 6 week run of one lift a day style olympic lifting. Got up to 90% of my all time bests at the end. Part of me wanted to keep going with it, but I was also starting to feel stressed about it because of summer and figured it's time to move on.

Coming back to the DMPM for the rest of summer. Discovering this little program is the greatest thing for my sanity when it comes to training. Feeling stressed, life getting in the way of training? Just DMPM. For how long? However long ya need. Stress gone, enjoyment of training restored. This is really the ultimate summer/life program. I've developed more of a guideline for myself instead of a strict program so I can keep it fresh day to day, changing rep ranges and movements when needed.

Total rep range for each movement type:
Push: 15-50
Pull: 15-50
Squat: 15-50
Hinge: 50-150
Carry/Abs: At least 1 lap or a set of hanging leg raises/ab wheels.

Movements can be easy or harder, volume can be high or low. The idea is to 'once in a while' pick one movement in a workout and go heavier (volume or weight), but mostly just go easy. So in a 2 week period with 6 total workouts (3x a week) I could go 'heavy' on each of the 5 movements at least once. I have a tool box of movements I can pick from to rotate through for each movement type. There's lots of variability and going by feel, never overextending.

Not all 5 categories of movement have to be done every workout. Some movements can hit multiple movements. For example a DBL KB Clean and Press could be a hinge and push. Muscle ups are push and pull. Try to hit at least 4/5 movements for each session, making sure to get all 5 across the week.

It's gonna be a good summer.



Make that a great summer.
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07-17-20 04:52 PM - Post#900423    

Now that I've been able to settle into a routine with the newborn, I've been doing this as my DMPM:

2-3 days a week:

  • Alternating KB Clean, Squat, Press - 15 per side
  • Banded KB Deadlifts 3x5
  • Batwings w/Band - 10 reps w/10 second hold
  • Band Pull-A-Parts - 30 reps (to balance out the presses)


Also a few times a week I go on a 1.5-2.5 mile walk with a weighted pack - figure this handles the loaded carries.



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08-08-20 06:19 AM - Post#901170    

So it turns out I’ve now been doing a version of the DMPM 2-3 times per week for 2.5 years.

Just sticking with about 75 swings and 15-maybe 30 reps of everything else per session.

My current version (which looks an awful lot like a program from DanJohn’s HKC book) is:

1. KS TGU + Windmills - 5-10 x 1/1

2. Swings + Goblets + Pushups - something like 15/10/10, 15/8/8 ... 15/2/2 or 5 x 15/6/6

1-2 or sometimes 3 sets of:
3a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
3b. Curls
3c. Standing bird dogs
3D. Ab wheel rollouts

I usually finish with some hip bridges with a band around my knees and some hamstring stretches.

I combine this with 4 days a week of stand up paddle boarding. Occasionally, I think that I should do more but the stand up paddle boarding is my priority and this has me feeling great. There’s a lesson in that...
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08-12-20 01:28 PM - Post#901298    

  • DanMartin Said:
I am going to do a DMPM PDF, I promise. I have a vacation coming up and will get after it upon my return.


Forgive me for bringing up an old post, but was this ever released? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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08-20-20 06:52 PM - Post#901620    

Today’s workout:
1. KS TGU + Windmills - 10 mins x 24kg
2. Swings + Goblets + Pushups + Curls - 5 x 15/8/8/8 x 32kg (24kg for curls) - recovery breathing until HR drops below 80 between sets (about 50 seconds)
3. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s x 2 sets
4a. Standing bird dogs - 2 sets x 20/20 x 32kg
4b. Ab wheel - 2 x 20


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08-28-20 12:48 PM - Post#901847    

I think I'm seeing the true beauty in this program. After a few weeks of DMPM I got that itch to add more and figured hey, I could do a 2 day a week 531 cycle to add in a bit of moderate-heavy lifting. That will be easy right? After crashing and burning I did some research into how exercise affects stress levels.

It seems that moderate to heavy intensity exercise can produce a pretty strong cortisol response - the moderate part was a surprise to me. In a normal, healthy individual with balanced stress levels the cortisol response is a short spike that drops quickly and gives way to the restorative calm feeling that often comes after a hard workout. However, cortisol doesn't distinguish between emotional and physical stress, so when life happens and resting levels of stress rise, those spikes from moderate-heavy exercise can remain sustained and build on one another. In this case, light easy exercise is the best medicine because it doesn't spike cortisol at all, it just lowers it. Thus, the magic of the DMPM.

Previously in my life exercise was really the only main stressor I had. It's been difficult changing out of that competitive, constant improvement mindset. But each time I burn out I learn something new that releases me further from it. I've been pretty stressed since starting a new career this year. Balancing that with home ownership and having a family has been a learning experience. It's good, I love my job, but it takes a lot more out of me than I'm used to. I would say exercise has moved really far down the list of my main stressors, but I haven't really reduced the level of stress I get from it. It's probably a two-fold thing, first the physical response to lifting moderate-heavy weights, second the stress response of missing workouts because of life and honestly avoidance (because sometimes after work the last thing I want to do is psych myself up to hit a new PR and make progress).

In all honestly when I first saw the DMPM and its derivatives I was skeptical but intrigued. There's no way it could work, it's just too easy. I didn't really understand the point of it. Now that I'm coming out of yet another weightlifting induced crash I think I understand it more. Before I was treating it too much like a 'program' that would give 'progress'. It looks like a great minimalist program, but it's too easy I thought, so I made the movements harder and heavier. I totally missed the point.

Now I see it's actually a great way to move the body with light restorative exercise. It presents enough of a challenge to keep the body strong and get the blood flowing, but removes the barriers of constant improvement and the demand to keep pace with a rigid program. It looks easy on paper because it needs to be, so that during periods of high stress the bar is set low enough that seeing the workout itself doesn't produce a stress response and cause short and long term avoidance. The goal is more to improve mental health and well being, and maintain physical functionality and strength without the challenge and stress that comes with a rigid program. It's easy for the sake of consistency, because at the end of the day some exercise is always better than none, and often better than too much.

So... I would say it's back to the DMPM for me, except I haven't really done it properly. So maybe it's time to give it a real try as it is and not pretend I'm doing it when I'm really just modifying it and not honoring the spirit of it at all.

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08-28-20 01:07 PM - Post#901849    

Because of life I have had my share of injuries. Some, in fact, cause me grief to this day. I've worked around them. I have worked through them. And I've stopped doing exercises that made them worse.

In many ways it is because of all these dents and dings that I follow the DMPM my ownself. YMMV of course, but the DMPM really works for me. Duh...

I find myself doing the Humane Burpee version with good results. I follow the creedo of not flogging myself so much that I can't repeat the workout the next day. I usually don't do back to back days, but I will.

What I find curious is that the day after a lifting session my walks are not so bad. However, the second day is another story. I'm stiff and sore like a son of a gun. After the walk I stretch and things are better. But the first mile or two are just wrong. It hurts so good.
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12-09-20 10:08 AM - Post#905469    

  • Dan John Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
I’m doing this:
1. One arm swing 3-5 x 10/10
2. Goblets - 3-5 x 10
3. TGU - 3-5 x 1/1
4a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
4b. Curls

I use the same bell for 1-3 for simplicity.

I’m pretty sure the curls are unauthorized...



Curls are allowed. I really like this. We had a guy here who had something like this from Brett Jones and I wondered why he didn't "just do it."

Copyright that.




Sadly that was me.

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12-10-20 06:50 AM - Post#905503    

  • Brandell69 Said:
  • Dan John Said:
  • AusDaz Said:
I’m doing this:
1. One arm swing 3-5 x 10/10
2. Goblets - 3-5 x 10
3. TGU - 3-5 x 1/1
4a. TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/T’s
4b. Curls

I use the same bell for 1-3 for simplicity.

I’m pretty sure the curls are unauthorized...



Curls are allowed. I really like this. We had a guy here who had something like this from Brett Jones and I wondered why he didn't "just do it."

Copyright that.




Sadly that was me.




No time like t he present...

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12-11-20 02:57 PM - Post#905543    

Been doing this for two weeks now:

Monday / Wednesday / Friday
OS Routine
ab wheel 1x10
- circuit starts
swing 5x15
goblet squat 5x5
push up 5x5
rhomboid band pull apart 5x5
- circuit ends
suitcase carry 40 meters per side
bar hangs

Tuesday / Thursday
OS Routine
40 minutes of rucking

Aiming to stick with it for 6 weeks, got in a bad habit of not sticking to anything for more than a week or two. This one has been good for me, feeling strong and fit.
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12-14-20 03:45 PM - Post#905673    

  • McMan Said:
Been doing this for two weeks now:

Monday / Wednesday / Friday
OS Routine
ab wheel 1x10
- circuit starts
swing 5x15
goblet squat 5x5
push up 5x5
rhomboid band pull apart 5x5
- circuit ends
suitcase carry 40 meters per side
bar hangs

Tuesday / Thursday
OS Routine
40 minutes of rucking

Aiming to stick with it for 6 weeks, got in a bad habit of not sticking to anything for more than a week or two. This one has been good for me, feeling strong and fit.




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12-30-20 06:54 PM - Post#906165    

Coming up to 3 years on the DMPM train for me now. I tweak minor things from time to time.

Current version.
1. Turkish get downs + windmills - 10 mins
2. Swings and goblets - 5 x (15 + 5)
3. Pull ups and dips - 3, 5, 8, 8
4. Cook drill + medicine ball crawls (moving bird dogs)
5. Pull overs - 3 x 8
6. TRX - W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s
7. Ab wheel

You could stop after 4 and you’d be good but I’m targeting some specific needs. Oddly enough, my shoulders and back are in good shape.
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01-06-21 07:13 PM - Post#906433    

Here’s my current working version of the DMPM. I do it twice a week as my conditioning days while running a two day 5/3/1 program.

DMPM Fobbits

Rowing erg
Swings
PU
Goblets
KB Row
Suitcase carry

Repeat for five sets. About 3 min on the erg, descend the reps 5-4-3-2-1. I keep a steady tempo throughout, no rushing, no resting, easy aerobic pace on the erg.

Currently I follow with a little heavy hands and rucking.
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01-08-21 09:08 AM - Post#906490    

Currently doing this as my DMPM:

"Work" Days (3 times a week)
Clean and Press w/24kg bell - 5 sets of 3
Single Leg Squats - 3 sets of 5
Pull-ups - 5 sets of 3
Rucking w/16kg bell in backpack - 20 min/1 mile
10 min Stretching

"Off" Days
10 minutes Stretching
OS Resets
25-30 Min Walk

Also trying to clean-up my diet after some holiday overindulgence. So far I've been trying to do plant-based breakfast/lunch, and lean meat (fish/pork/chicken) at dinner.

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01-18-21 11:15 AM - Post#906888    

After doing Dan's Post-Deployment program this last Fall I've been adding carries into my regular training. As I started to formulate my next steps in training for this winter I've leaned on Humane Burpees. Since I haven't heard this mentioned before I thought someone may be interested in my adding carries into the HB. I have about 12 yards of space to walk one way in my basement, so I do my swings, suitcase carry the bell down and back (about 25 yards), drop into a push up, and then pick the bell back up to goblet squat. I call it a 'traveling humane burpee', and if it's easier to read in this format:

swing x 15
suitcase carry ~25 yards
push up x 5
goblet squat x 5

I switch hands on the suitcase carries each round and have been playing around with using different carries. For example, I have a 16kg bell that I do bottoms-up carries with I sometimes mix in. And of course you can always descend the reps for the push ups and goblets each round as I think is the original HB.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but I couldn't remember ever seeing it in the discussion of the DMPM. Anyhow, the carries really have me feeling good. YMMV (as is said).
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01-18-21 02:39 PM - Post#906901    

  • Mr. Kent Said:
After doing Dan's Post-Deployment program this last Fall I've been adding carries into my regular training. As I started to formulate my next steps in training for this winter I've leaned on Humane Burpees. Since I haven't heard this mentioned before I thought someone may be interested in my adding carries into the HB. I have about 12 yards of space to walk one way in my basement, so I do my swings, suitcase carry the bell down and back (about 25 yards), drop into a push up, and then pick the bell back up to goblet squat. I call it a 'traveling humane burpee', and if it's easier to read in this format:

swing x 15
suitcase carry ~25 yards
push up x 5
goblet squat x 5

I switch hands on the suitcase carries each round and have been playing around with using different carries. For example, I have a 16kg bell that I do bottoms-up carries with I sometimes mix in. And of course you can always descend the reps for the push ups and goblets each round as I think is the original HB.

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but I couldn't remember ever seeing it in the discussion of the DMPM. Anyhow, the carries really have me feeling good. YMMV (as is said).



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01-19-21 04:12 PM - Post#906955    

For those of us (like me) that suffer from "workout ADHD" and find themselves occasionally chasing shiny objects, does it defeat the purpose/spirit of the DMPM to add in other "stuff"? For example, I like rowing, I like rucking, and I like Heavyhands. Would sticking with the DMPM as my foundation, and building off of that with other things (obviously depending on time/energy available) be counterproductive?
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01-23-21 01:31 AM - Post#907088    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
For those of us (like me) that suffer from "workout ADHD" and find themselves occasionally chasing shiny objects, does it defeat the purpose/spirit of the DMPM to add in other "stuff"? For example, I like rowing, I like rucking, and I like Heavyhands. Would sticking with the DMPM as my foundation, and building off of that with other things (obviously depending on time/energy available) be counterproductive?



I think it would be absolutely fine. I’ve been doing DMPM 3 days per week and another 3-4 days per week of hard stand up paddle board training for several years. That’s the beauty of a park bench program using exercises and reps that don’t beat you up. You’ve just to progress everything very slowly. Mostly I don’t try and progress things at all. I just use a load until one day I decide it is far too easy and then try a heavier one and see if I start getting any niggles.
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01-23-21 11:36 AM - Post#907102    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
For those of us (like me) that suffer from "workout ADHD" and find themselves occasionally chasing shiny objects, does it defeat the purpose/spirit of the DMPM to add in other "stuff"? For example, I like rowing, I like rucking, and I like Heavyhands. Would sticking with the DMPM as my foundation, and building off of that with other things (obviously depending on time/energy available) be counterproductive?


How would it be counterproductive? DM has written that one can always do more, but probably never less.

At 10-15 min it’s not a lot of work by itself. So while it makes sense as a reset/recovery/recharge from time to time, I think it is also brilliant as a component of a bigger picture. Like the paddling example, my best use has been in summers where I had a high volume of bike training. That’s not the case now. I need a primarily indoor conditioning session that keeps me engaged. I’ve been intrigued by the Fobbits as described by TB as a way to blend strength and endurance and have seen how a MTB/MX coach usues them. It simulates thenfeeling of trail riding which alternates between steady state effort with short bursts of strength. All wrapped up in a neat package less than an hour long.
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01-23-21 01:19 PM - Post#907104    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
For those of us (like me) that suffer from "workout ADHD" and find themselves occasionally chasing shiny objects, does it defeat the purpose/spirit of the DMPM to add in other "stuff"? For example, I like rowing, I like rucking, and I like Heavyhands. Would sticking with the DMPM as my foundation, and building off of that with other things (obviously depending on time/energy available) be counterproductive?



The DMPM is made for this. My point in developing the DMPM was coming up with a routine that covered the basics so I could, in fact, go do other things. YMMV of course, but the DMPM is an easy way to do the five basic movement patterns.
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01-23-21 10:38 PM - Post#907117    

Thanks. I kinda figured this was the case but am always wary of my own tendency towards turning firecrackers into space shuttles. I'm constantly fighting the "this works so well, let's change it" mentality.
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01-24-21 11:39 AM - Post#907130    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
Thanks. I kinda figured this was the case but am always wary of my own tendency towards turning firecrackers into space shuttles. I'm constantly fighting the "this works so well, let's change it" mentality.



You are not alone. I too can get distracted. Even though I know from experience that most routines will provide results given a chance, I still find myself looking for the Holy Grail of routines. A routine that will cover all the bases and I would make progress each and every day.

I know it doesn't exist, but I still put on all my Indiana Jones gear and continue to (re)search.

To digress, when I started all of this nonsense I was in high school. I had no idea there were magazines about lifting weights and body building. The little pamphlet that came with my 110 pound set was it. When I found Muscular Development and Strength and Health I was in business.

I would pick a routine in one of those magazines and have at it. Of course when the next months issues came out I would change routines, but, I followed the routine for a month.

Now with the Internet folks change their routines by the minute.
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03-07-21 08:07 AM - Post#908578    

Had anyone tried this simple yearly aproach?

Most of the year DMPM (not the same variation all the time) almost daily + maybe hiking/bike whatever; Easy Strength or 40 day workout in the winter + crosscountry skiing (if aplicable to your area).

I am not a good swimmer, but I think swimming round year could also be good healthy addition.

I really like this idea, much flexibility, yet clear roadmap (or pirate map?)

PS The DMPM can be beautifly changed depending on the season and outside weather aswell. Yes, I like that Dan's article about following the seasons :-)
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04-04-21 09:01 PM - Post#909418    

Looking back at the start of this thread, I’ve been on the DMPM train for 3 years now. I’ve settled on 3 days per week DMPM and 4 days per week cardio - the cardio being my priority. Not trying to hit big numbers just trying to stay strong enough and mobile. It works.

My current version, which I’m really enjoying is as follows. (It looks more complicated on paper than it really is)

1. Windmills + Turkish get downs (with half kneeling presses). Do a one arm swing to hand change and then clean and press to change sides after each rep. This is the warm up so go light.

2. Swing, swing, other thing (every minute on the minute): (a) double kb swing; (b) double kb swing; (c) dbl kb clean, dbl kb press, dbl kb front squat

3. Cross carry (Rack and waiter) - seesaw press and change hands as often as you want

4. Dips and pull ups

5. TRX W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s, bilateral uppercuts, batwings


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04-05-21 02:25 PM - Post#909438    

  • AusDaz Said:
Looking back at the start of this thread, I’ve been on the DMPM train for 3 years now. I’ve settled on 3 days per week DMPM and 4 days per week cardio - the cardio being my priority. Not trying to hit big numbers just trying to stay strong enough and mobile. It works.

My current version, which I’m really enjoying is as follows. (It looks more complicated on paper than it really is)

1. Windmills + Turkish get downs (with half kneeling presses). Do a one arm swing to hand change and then clean and press to change sides after each rep. This is the warm up so go light.

2. Swing, swing, other thing (every minute on the minute): (a) double kb swing; (b) double kb swing; (c) dbl kb clean, dbl kb press, dbl kb front squat

3. Cross carry (Rack and waiter) - seesaw press and change hands as often as you want

4. Dips and pull ups

5. TRX W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s, bilateral uppercuts, batwings





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05-14-21 09:14 AM - Post#910340    

As I await my second dose/gym reopening my wondering eye has returned to my standard DMPM:

  • Carry my 24kg kettlebell to the backyard
  • One clean, one press, one squat per side and one pull-up. Lather, rinse, repeat for 30 minutes
  • Carry kettlebell back to my garage

I have some 50lb dumbbells so if I'm feeling it I may mix in some double cleans, presses, squats, but only if I get bored.

I don't know about anyone else but the clean, press, squat combo just "feels" right.

Shooting for three days a week. Other than that I try to do "something" the other four days - walking, rowing, etc.
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06-30-21 09:13 AM - Post#911441    

Been following the DMPM for the last few months. My go to has been,
• 20 swings
• 5 goblet squats
• 5 half kneeling presses
• 5 dead hang pull ups
I’ll repeat that 3-6 times then carry my kettlebell on each side for time. It’s simple, takes around 20 minutes but I feel like I’m hitting about everything that I need for strength. Follow that up with some mobility and hiking, and I think we’re good!
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07-10-21 01:24 PM - Post#911738    

Hi, Dan - are you still planning to release a DMPM e-book?
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07-10-21 02:01 PM - Post#911740    

  • camaro hair Said:
Hi, Dan - are you still planning to release a DMPM e-book?



I plan on it, keep checking back.
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07-11-21 10:14 AM - Post#911758    

  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
...
  • Carry my 24kg kettlebell to the backyard
  • One clean, one press, one squat per side and one pull-up. Lather, rinse, repeat for 30 minutes
  • Carry kettlebell back to my garage

I have some 50lb dumbbells so if I'm feeling it I may mix in some double cleans, presses, squats, but only if I get bored.

I don't know about anyone else but the clean, press, squat combo just "feels" right....


Yea, that combo is great...as a standalone complex, minmalism at its finest. After using a barbell when I was powerlifting, I switched to dumbbells and a single KB. Now, I am trying to get the dual KB form down with 12Ks. Can't wait to graduate to a more productive load.
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07-11-21 11:51 AM - Post#911759    

  • AAnnunz Said:
  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
...
  • Carry my 24kg kettlebell to the backyard
  • One clean, one press, one squat per side and one pull-up. Lather, rinse, repeat for 30 minutes
  • Carry kettlebell back to my garage

I have some 50lb dumbbells so if I'm feeling it I may mix in some double cleans, presses, squats, but only if I get bored.

I don't know about anyone else but the clean, press, squat combo just "feels" right....


Yea, that combo is great...as a standalone complex, minmalism at its finest. After using a barbell when I was powerlifting, I switched to dumbbells and a single KB. Now, I am trying to get the dual KB form down with 12Ks. Can't wait to graduate to a more productive load.


There is a certain rightness about it. After completing The GIANT 1.0, I may want to do some same but different. I've been thinking doing the version Dan John presented in his "Grad" workout: with double kettlebells 2 cleans + 1 press + 3 front squats, rinse and repeat. It seems to balance things out to get the most out a pair of kettlebells.
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07-20-21 09:54 AM - Post#912003    

  • Steve Rogers Said:
  • AAnnunz Said:
  • Arsenio Billingham Said:
...
  • Carry my 24kg kettlebell to the backyard
  • One clean, one press, one squat per side and one pull-up. Lather, rinse, repeat for 30 minutes
  • Carry kettlebell back to my garage

I have some 50lb dumbbells so if I'm feeling it I may mix in some double cleans, presses, squats, but only if I get bored.

I don't know about anyone else but the clean, press, squat combo just "feels" right....


Yea, that combo is great...as a standalone complex, minmalism at its finest. After using a barbell when I was powerlifting, I switched to dumbbells and a single KB. Now, I am trying to get the dual KB form down with 12Ks. Can't wait to graduate to a more productive load.


There is a certain rightness about it. After completing The GIANT 1.0, I may want to do some same but different. I've been thinking doing the version Dan John presented in his "Grad" workout: with double kettlebells 2 cleans + 1 press + 3 front squats, rinse and repeat. It seems to balance things out to get the most out a pair of kettlebells.



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07-20-21 08:54 PM - Post#912027    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • camaro hair Said:
Hi, Dan - are you still planning to release a DMPM e-book?



I plan on it, keep checking back.



Excellent news!

If you don’t mind me asking, I’m curious what your current stance is on the warm-up & cool-down portions is?
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07-29-21 12:27 AM - Post#912224    

Great news the book is in the making!

Im going back to thaiboxing in late August. Many years since. Thai twice a week leave me with one or maybe two training slots left. First I thought S&S, but consider doing DMPM. Why limit your self when you can cover a lot more bases with DMPM?
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08-03-21 04:12 PM - Post#912342    

I already have written a paragraph that was my experience using the DMPM to go from cruches to running again.
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09-03-21 01:20 PM - Post#913064    

Hi, Dan - just checking in! Do you have an update regarding your book yet?
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09-07-21 09:45 PM - Post#913158    

Not yet.
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09-17-21 09:07 PM - Post#913398    

Revised version (once again, simpler than it looks on paper)

1. Windmills + Turkish get downs (with half kneeling presses). Do a one arm swing to hand change and then clean and press to change sides after each rep. This is the warm up so go light. I usually do 6 mins.

2. 8 x one arm swing; 3 x one arm clean; 2 x press; 5 one arm front squat - change hands and repeat on other side. 5 sets. Start a new set once you’ve got your breath back.

3. Cook drill - suitcase; rack; waiter walk

4. Dips and pull ups - 5 sets of each. Start a set at the top of every minute. Currently building up the reps fighter pull up program style.

5. TRX W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s, bilateral uppercuts, batwings - work those external rotators! 2 sets.

6A. Rear foot elevated split squat - 2 sets.

6B. Ab wheel roll outs - 2 sets.

7. Mobility work.

Is it still the DMPM? I dunno but its covering all the basics with minimal equipment; uses sensible sets and reps; and emphasizes movement quality over weight.

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10-06-21 08:22 PM - Post#913776    

You have no idea how much I tremble in fear to add to this great thread.

But, having read through the whole thing, I noticed that no one really added an upper body pull involving the kettlebell (lots of TRX rows and vertical pulls show up in DMPM variations). And there's a perfect DJ idea that fits in: parked rows.

If you haven't done them, it is adopting a static RDL (romanian deadlift) or "bottom of swing" position .... and doing a one-arm row with a kettlebell from that position. I usually start with the kettlebell sitting on the floor. Alternate left-right-left-right. And done. Nothing fancy.

It does up the load on the lower back, but nothing major if you are already swinging. In fact, it could be considered a nice warmup or finisher to the swings.

Best,
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11-02-21 08:51 PM - Post#914431    

  • DanMartin Said:
Not yet.


Any update yet?
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01-17-22 01:03 PM - Post#916152    

@DanMartin - happy New Year! Are you still planning to release anything?
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02-16-22 11:16 AM - Post#917189    

Dan Martin-I am fascinated with the idea of your Program Minimum (PM). I've seen two slightly different variations but love them both.

I'll admit, I used to think it wasn't "enough."

However, like DJ says, take for example squatting. The movement, especially done daily (which is why he recommends you do goblets, etc. daily) is more important than how heavy you go. Getting in repeatable reps like DJ says and practicing often, (high frequency) is often more important than having a super intense workout........"stimulate don't annihilate."



My question is:

Did you do other calorie burning movement/read: "cardio" in addition to this? I ask because I have a desk job unfortunately (actually it's a huge blessing of a job/position just not physically) and I'm not currently playing any rec sports (basketball and mma) like I was just 3 years ago prior to retiring from the Air Force. I haven't had the time, money nor has Covid made training martial arts again very doable. I will try again though in a few months.

I love the PM especially for maintaining strength, mobility, balance, etc.

However, I need to drop a few pounds. I'm already making some small changes to my diet, etc. Ex: eating lots of boiled eggs, tons of water, more fruits/veggies, portion control, etc. I need to get back on fish oil but everything is so expensive now.

I like to do short mini-workouts/circuits at work maybe twice per week where I simply do a few bodyweight movements only (sometimes I mix in water jug farmer walks up/down stairs as well) one after another for about 10-15 minutes just to get my heart rate up, sweat, etc.

I'm a big fan of walking like you guys and I'm trying to sneak more of that back in my routine already while juggling nagging foot pain.

No access to stationary cardio equipment either.

Would these 2 times per week circuits be okay to continue doing plus your PM?

Also, thank you for your service! Military and Firefighter! Wow! My grandfather was a Marine for 20 years then a civilian firefighting chief for 20-30 years.

I tried out to be a Cop in Signal Hill/LBC many years ago and really wanted to be a firefighter than a cop. However, the waiting list just to even begin the process (background, fitness, written test, polygraph, etc.) was around 2 years in Los Angeles I was told at the time.

Didn't you do something like Military service for 30-40 years and firefighting for the same amount of years? How did you manage that??????? Did you do 20+ active duty then another 10-20 years reserve and/or national guard?

I served 6 Active Duty years, then between Traditional Air national guard and full time air national guard another 15 years for a total of 21. I thought our AF chaplains were being forced out around 60 or 60 something years old due to age limit, etc.

I could've sworn you said you just retired a few years ago. I could be wrong.

For the PM daily, I'm thinking of just doing, something similar to yours: a few pushups, glute bridges/hip thrusts, goblets and a loaded carry. 1-2 stretches and I don't own a rower or anything cardio machine wise. Only have an adjustable dumbbell that I can use. The collars are loose so they work for carries but not swings.

Thoughts please sir? Thank you.
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02-26-22 10:41 AM - Post#917480    

New guy here. In my early 40s, 5’8, pushing 245# and trying to stop being a lard@$$ after multiple years behind a desk. I’ve read ETK and S&S. I like the programming of S&S. At this point, I can do full TGUs with a 25# bell. After lurking here and reading about stopping at high hip, I started trying that with my 16kg bell with success for three reps each side. Adding in swings (10/10 two handed;24kg bell) and waiters walks with a 20kg bell, I think I’ve found my new program minimum. I’ll stick with this program, taking a day off as needed, and report back in a month. We’ll see if I’m still a lard@$$ at that point if I can stick with it.

Thanks for all the info I’ve gathered from this forum!
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03-02-22 07:50 AM - Post#917572    

After 4 years of doing DMPM iterations 3 days per week and cardio 4 days per week, I felt the need to push some of my strength work a bit harder, so I’ve switched to this instead. I’m still sticking with 3 days gym / 4 days cardio and 7,000 steps per day:

Session A - push/squat
1. TGD + Windmill - 6 mins
2. Dips + rear foot elevated split squat - 5 x 5
3. Dbl Kb Clean + press + front squat - 6-10 sets EMOM
4. Farmers walk
5. Ab wheel and TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/‘s

Session B - hinge/pull
1. TGD + windmill- 6 mins
2. Pull-ups plus single leg deadlifts - 5 x 5
3. Dbl Kb Clean and jerks - 6-10 sets EMOM
4. Suitcase walk
5. Ab wheel and TRX W’s/I’s/Y’s/‘s

I feel like this probably exceeds the complexity limits of the DMPM but in many ways it rally just reflects the continued development of what I’ve been doing.

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03-02-22 08:56 AM - Post#917575    

4 years. That's so good. You should be proud. I'm happy when I get 4 weeks out of a program. Those two variations are great. I really like the double kettlebell complexes in there.

After a few small warning injuries following barbell work (nothing big, just inflammation for a few days) I'm back to the OG DMPM.

Can't go wrong with 75 swings, 25 squats, 25 pushups, and 25 pullups. I do it circuit style with 5 rounds of 15, 5, 5, 5.

I like the idea of 2 or more variations. Session A and B is a great approach that allows for variety and exploration. Subbing in and out exercises makes the options endless with this kind of program.

I just got a HR monitor for my cardio sessions. I'm gonna try using it during these circuits (when I can do it all in one session) to keep the HR up and keep moving.

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03-03-22 09:43 AM - Post#917597    

Jordan-nice work bro!
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03-06-22 09:20 AM - Post#917691    

I have used a couple of variations recently. Really anything that fits in with my dog walk - which is always on hills.

I often just crawl the hill (ie https://www.instagram.com/p/CakoNfGomaV/?utm_me dium=copy_link):

Which is along the lines of 50 crawl steps backwards, 100 walking steps forwards - repeat until I reached the top........then 50 crawl steps forwards, 100 walking steps forwards - repeat until I reach the bottom.

OR

I have also made my dog walks a little more interesting by just carrying a weight up and down the hill (heavy ball, KB, back pack etc).


OR


Walk 200 steps then 1 minute of
Pushups, band rows
Repeat


Richard
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03-12-22 09:22 AM - Post#917892    

  • Ricky01 Said:
I have used a couple of variations recently. Really anything that fits in with my dog walk - which is always on hills.

I often just crawl the hill (ie https://www.instagram.com/p/CakoNfGomaV/?utm_me dium=copy_link):

Which is along the lines of 50 crawl steps backwards, 100 walking steps forwards - repeat until I reached the top........then 50 crawl steps forwards, 100 walking steps forwards - repeat until I reach the bottom.

OR

I have also made my dog walks a little more interesting by just carrying a weight up and down the hill (heavy ball, KB, back pack etc).


OR


Walk 200 steps then 1 minute of
Pushups, band rows
Repeat


Richard



What is your reasoning behind, seemingly, not lifting heavy?



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03-20-22 03:58 PM - Post#918151    

As an aside, I'm thinking that besides the Big Five of Two-Hand Swing, Goblet Squat, Push-Up. TRX Row and Farmer's Walk, the addition of KB snatches on my "off" days has merit. YMMV
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03-20-22 09:00 PM - Post#918159    

  • DanMartin Said:
As an aside, I'm thinking that besides the Big Five of Two-Hand Swing, Goblet Squat, Push-Up. TRX Row and Farmer's Walk, the addition of KB snatches on my "off" days has merit. YMMV


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A__G
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A__G
03-22-22 09:23 PM - Post#918220    

  • DanMartin Said:
As an aside, I'm thinking that besides the Big Five of Two-Hand Swing, Goblet Squat, Push-Up. TRX Row and Farmer's Walk, the addition of KB snatches on my "off" days has merit. YMMV



KB snatches cover a lot of bases very well and I think they're underrated by many. There's a lack of ideas since so much thought goes into the snatch test for whichever organization.

I really like that big 5. Could even categorize it:
1. front loaded squat

2. press without minimal restrictions to hand/scap movement (ie pushups > barbell bench)

3. horizontal pull that doesn't fatigue the low back (prone row, bodyweight row, single arm row)

4. Hinge without a set depth (ie RDL, swing, BGBS, zercher GM) so no pulling off the floor

5. Loaded locomotion. Farmers walks work well with the above but I think that crawling could, as well.

...I may have to do some more thinking about this.

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Arsenio Billingham
05-04-22 11:10 AM - Post#919330    

I've been traveling for work again and flights always make me feel tight. I find that single-limb work seems to help with that, so started doing a variation of the "Lifetime Warrior Workout" as a DMPM. So far it's gone like this:

-Waiter Walk
-Suitcase Carry
-Suitcase Deadlift 3x5 (per side)
-Single Arm Bench Press 3x5 (per side)
-Single Arm Overhead Press 3x5 (per side)
-Side Bends - 1x15 per side
-30 second hang followed by 1 pull-up (repeat 3 times)
-Trap Bar Deadlift - 3x8 at a "reasonable" weight*
*hotels generally don't have trap bars so I'll do leg press in a pinch on the road.

I try to do it 2-3 days as week, with the rest of the week focused on walking, rowing, jogging, etc.

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Ricky01
05-06-22 04:30 PM - Post#919368    

  • SinisterAlex Said:


What is your reasoning behind, seemingly, not lifting heavy?






Each to their own....of late I have increased overall strength and endurance and have not lifted heavy weights at all.

Richard

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SpiderLegs
05-25-22 04:10 PM - Post#919672    

Jumping on the DMPM bandwagon and using to recover from a big Grand Canyon trip a few weeks ago. Definitely something to this, feeling pretty refreshed after my workouts and throughout the day.

My template is a A/B workout that I alternate.

A) 15 Swings
5,4,3,2,1 Goblet Squat
5,4,3,2,1 Kettlebell C&P
10,8,6,4,2 TRX Row
Suitcase walk

B) 15 Swings
5,4,3,2,1 SLDL w/ a sandbag
10,8,6,4,2 Push Ups
5,4,3,2,1 Kettlebell Row
Ab Wheel

Finish off with a 35 minute walk with my dog and do this 3 times a week.

One week in, will report back in 5-6 weeks to see how things are going. But at my age and a history of picking up minor dings, this seems to be the tonic I need.


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AusDaz
10-21-22 06:01 PM - Post#922742    

  • SpiderLegs Said:
Jumping on the DMPM bandwagon and using to recover from a big Grand Canyon trip a few weeks ago. Definitely something to this, feeling pretty refreshed after my workouts and throughout the day.

My template is a A/B workout that I alternate.

A) 15 Swings
5,4,3,2,1 Goblet Squat
5,4,3,2,1 Kettlebell C&P
10,8,6,4,2 TRX Row
Suitcase walk

B) 15 Swings
5,4,3,2,1 SLDL w/ a sandbag
10,8,6,4,2 Push Ups
5,4,3,2,1 Kettlebell Row
Ab Wheel

Finish off with a 35 minute walk with my dog and do this 3 times a week.

One week in, will report back in 5-6 weeks to see how things are going. But at my age and a history of picking up minor dings, this seems to be the tonic I need.





Nice! How many sets of 15 swings are you doing?

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10-21-22 06:05 PM - Post#922743    

Version 1.5 or whatever

1. 6 mins x Windmills + Turkish get downs (with half kneeling presses and floor presses). Do a snatch or one arm swing to hand change and then clean and press to change sides after each rep. This is the warm up so we go light.

2a Single leg deadlift
2b Rear foot elevated split squat

3a Pull ups
3b Dips

4. Swings + Goblet squat + pushups + suitcase walk

5. TRX W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s, bilateral uppercuts

6. Ab wheel

I usually finish with some hangs. This workout is really all about the mobility and movement quality.

My 22 year old does this as a tonic day in between days of easy strength style Olympic lifting.
DanMartin
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DanMartin
10-21-22 09:23 PM - Post#922746    

  • AusDaz Said:
Version 1.5 or whatever

1. 6 mins x Windmills + Turkish get downs (with half kneeling presses and floor presses). Do a snatch or one arm swing to hand change and then clean and press to change sides after each rep. This is the warm up so we go light.

2a Single leg deadlift
2b Rear foot elevated split squat

3a Pull ups
3b Dips

4. Swings + Goblet squat + pushups + suitcase walk

5. TRX W’s, I’s, Y’s, T’s, bilateral uppercuts

6. Ab wheel

I usually finish with some hangs. This workout is really all about the mobility and movement quality.

My 22 year old does this as a tonic day in between days of easy strength style Olympic lifting.



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Matt_T
11-06-22 07:51 AM - Post#923082    

First go at this, my elbows are barking. How is this looking:

10kg weight vest

Skater squat (l/r)
Dip (bizarrely these don't hurt)
Wall slides
Y Squats
Stomp about in vest for two mins between rounds
DanMartin
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DanMartin
11-06-22 02:21 PM - Post#923087    

  • Matt_T Said:
First go at this, my elbows are barking. How is this looking:

10kg weight vest

Skater squat (l/r)
Dip (bizarrely these don't hurt)
Wall slides
Y Squats
Stomp about in vest for two mins between rounds



So far so good! Do not, repeat do not push the dips. Less is more.
Mark it Zero.

Matt_T
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Matt_T
11-06-22 05:17 PM - Post#923090    

  • DanMartin Said:
  • Matt_T Said:
First go at this, my elbows are barking. How is this looking:

10kg weight vest

Skater squat (l/r)
Dip (bizarrely these don't hurt)
Wall slides
Y Squats
Stomp about in vest for two mins between rounds



So far so good! Do not, repeat do not push the dips. Less is more.




Matt T's elbows like this post.

Sets of 3 for the dips and skaters, as both require something of a slow eccentric. Sets of five for the other stuff.
Anonymous


12-08-22 08:06 AM - Post#923713    

Yes, you should have to sticky devoted to it. Wanna see the results
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camaro hair
12-26-22 06:56 PM - Post#923997    

The DMPM is still my favorite go-to plan - Dan, are you still planning a book of some sort? I’ve been looking forward to it for quite some time!
DanMartin
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DanMartin
02-08-23 01:00 PM - Post#924737    

It is coming.
Mark it Zero.

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RupertC
02-11-23 07:00 AM - Post#924762    

Exciting! If you want some free advice, Dan, it will be much harder to promote the book once the forum has closed. If I were you, I'd set up a Substack this very weekend. Build your mailing list while the forum is still alive.

If you do this, there are two alternative routes beween launching the Substack and publishing the book. The first is just to write a post or two and then become more active once the book is out. The second, which is both scarier and better, would be to build it in public, in startup jargon. Bounce ideas off the community. Ask for feedback.

Good luck!
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