bob simpson
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05-24-06 09:01 AM - Post#207053
Just looked at an old post by Laree, about Super Dave's somewhat anti cardio view. Although I know most everyone will disagee, I couldn't agree with him more. I would not do cardio, if I knew I would die this afternoon, if I didn't.
After all, we should want people to run from us!!!!
Back around 1965 I did do some, but for a good reason, I thought. I was getting ready for a trip to Greece for about 2 months and decided I might want to run from Athens to Sparta---don't really know why. Anyway, I went to the track for a couple of weeks and got up to a slow run for 5 miles---a long way from the 45 or so miles, that would have been required.
Needless to say, I never made that run---the sun was bright and the ground, rocky and hilly.
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TomP
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:09 AM - Post#207054
I suppose if your training is specific to bodybuilding you should limit your cardio. However, if you train for all-around physical fitness, you would include cardio.
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DennisH
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:10 AM - Post#207055
To each his own but, cardio's good.
Dennis
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garyed
aging powerlifter
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:15 AM - Post#207056
whats cardio?
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J G
Old hand here on IOL
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:16 AM - Post#207057
The heart is a muscle just like any other in the body. Why you would not want to excercise it is beyond me.
It's true that too much cardio will interfere with gaining muscle but I think there is a place for cardio in all excercise programs.
John G.
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Hack
What? Me Worry?
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:16 AM - Post#207058
Hospital beds are not very comfortable, but the nurses all dig big muscles. Better to sweat on your schedule, than be surprised by it.
It's not enough that we do our best; sometimes we have to do what's required.
Sir Winston Churchill
"Together we raise our hands to the sky and await the next dumbbell to
drop. Heavy may it be, but not so heavy for us to retreat. Our backs
may bend and our arms cry out, but our spirits shall greet the load
with valor and daring. No thing is so great to defeat our center, our
soul."
Hecules Unchained as quoted by DD in his 11/5 newsletter
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ccrow
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:18 AM - Post#207059
Quote:
bob simpson said:After all, we should want people to run from us!!!!
They are, but I want to be able to catch them.
The most important test a lifter has to pass
is the test of time.
-John Cole
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jej
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:22 AM - Post#207060
Breaking news: this just in - we are all gonna die of something.
For most, physical condition will decline prior to death. For a high percentage, poor cardio health will be the cause of decline and death. It behooves everyone to build and maintain cardio health through diet and exercise. Dave would endorse that idea, I expect. That means you have to work the heart, elevate the pulse rate through exercise. Whether its lifting iron or a running on a treadmill or rowing, it has to be done if you want to be fit. Most folks cannot maintain a high heart rate for a long enough time while lifting. Too many rests between sets. If you can, more power to you. If not, go for a walk or something.
Dave Tate recently wrote about how he had maintained a very high level of powerlifting performance, with a body weight of about 320#, and had terrible cardio health - shown in both in his blood tests and his inability to walk across a parking lot without getting winded. He's a great heart attack candidate. Not good. He says he's fixing it.
If people are going to run from you, don't you want to be able to chase them down?
jej
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garyed
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:34 AM - Post#207061
Quote:
jej said:
Breaking news: this just in - we are all gonna die of something.
For most, physical condition will decline prior to death. For a high percentage, poor cardio health will be the cause of decline and death. It behooves everyone to build and maintain cardio health through diet and exercise. Dave would endorse that idea, I expect. That means you have to work the heart, elevate the pulse rate through exercise. Whether its lifting iron or a running on a treadmill or rowing, it has to be done if you want to be fit. Most folks cannot maintain a high heart rate for a long enough time while lifting. Too many rests between sets. If you can, more power to you. If not, go for a walk or something.
Dave Tate recently wrote about how he had maintained a very high level of powerlifting performance, with a body weight of about 320#, and had terrible cardio health - shown in both in his blood tests and his inability to walk across a parking lot without getting winded. He's a great heart attack candidate. Not good. He says he's fixing it.
If people are going to run from you, don't you want to be able to chase them down?
jej
Being 320 is one thing.. poor cardio is what?
A relatively lean person may not run a lick... but have decent cardio and live to be a ripe old healthy age without ever doing a Jane fonda workout..
In general large people have a disadvantage to longevity.. Big bodies require more maintenance.. food, digestion, heart strength etc...
The most advantageous body type would be small and thin.. If we all had the same genetics.. that would be the body type most likely to live the longest..whether you jogged or not..
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Wicked Willie
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:35 AM - Post#207062
I have mixed feelings about the whole cardio/no cardio thing. I "think" that a little circulatory efficiency does wonders for your ability to recover and grow from hard training. (As in more efficient removal of waste products and transport of muscle building materials.) Many of the top names in our sport came from other endeavors that required a fair amount of cardio fitness:
Larry Pacifico - track and gymnastics
Arnold - soccer
Franco - boxing
just to name a very few. The ones that came from these backgrounds...seemed to make faster progress.
John Brookfield, who is one of the grip meisters and strongmen I admire, had this to say about cardio in an interview in MILO: (I'm paraphrasing here...can look up the exact quote)
"If pressed for time and the choice needs to be made between weight training and cardio, I always opt for the cardio."
I always feel a little better when I include a moderate amount of cardio. Don't necessarily LIKE it...but I do feel better.
Wicked
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Laree
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:42 AM - Post#207063
It's true: I'm no longer a member of the league. I sure was, though, practically held up an entire shear wall singlehandedly. I'd like to bring Dave into the structure, too, but don't know yet if that will happen because, like Bob, he may prefer to die a year or two early.
Dave's built-in cardio work has changed over the past couple of years after we sold the gym. For one thing, he no longer mops the 5,000-square-foot gym floor several days a week, which was a whole lot of cardio work that he wasn't calculating for. Secondly, over the past ten or so years, he's backed off his workout frequency due to slower recovery, moving from six days a week to five and now to four. He oughta be doing some cardio. After all, he is and always will be a heart patient, don't forget. He knows, though, so be assured I don't nag. About cardio, that is.
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DanMartin
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:49 AM - Post#207064
I must say, if a trainee wanted the most bang for their training buck, that kettlebell road work I did last Monday is hard to beat.
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ccrow
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:56 AM - Post#207065
Quote:
garyed said:
Being 320 is one thing.. poor cardio is what?
A relatively lean person may not run a lick... but have decent cardio and live to be a ripe old healthy age without ever doing a Jane fonda workout..
Young people often have a good aerobic capacity without any training; sedentary people over forty almost never do. Just like there are people who are naturally super strong without training, it does happen, but it is a rare exception.
Since aerobic capacity is mostly "invisible" in sedentary daily life, people tend to kid themselves about what kind of shape they are in. This is why I say, if you think your aerobic capacity is fine doing what you're doing, decide on some specific standard for what is "fine" - If you do a little homework this is easy. Then test yourself against that standard periodically. If you can meet it, you're excused. If you can't, get thee to the hampster stuff (or other cardio variant).
If you don't have a standard, and you don't test yourself, you're just guessing.
The most important test a lifter has to pass
is the test of time.
-John Cole
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Vicki
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 09:59 AM - Post#207066
I have learned what conditioning is and love it, find it well worth training to have. Cardio does not have to be boring. One can find a way to accomplish this in a way that suites their temperment. The standard cardio machines are boring to me and I do not care to run but I like swimming. Hiking can also do it. Then there are KB circuits that can kick your ass in no time at all and envolve some strength challenge. Or make up a body weight circuit with burpees. Sandbags, hill sprints, sled dragging, tire flipping, or lifting stones can all create a good workout.
The will to persevere is often the difference between failure and success. -David Sarnoff
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garyed
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Re: anti-cardio league
05-24-06 10:07 AM - Post#207067
Hey/...whats the question here?... Is cardio good for you? Well sure..
Is it necessary for a long healthy life? well thats a bit different question...
If you want to run, hike, play active sports etc.. then cardio is very important..and likely you will get a decent amount from that/those various activities anyway..
A healthy person can eat reasonably, maintain a decent body weight, not smoke, not drink etc. never do cardio... and live a happy and healthy life.. with likely a very similar "level of health" as a person who does cardio..
They may not be able to run marathons.. but they can do what they need to do on a daily basis..
What we seem to have is a situation where you compare a person who does cardio to a person who is overweight already, had a heart attack already, smokes.. drinks whatever.. well heck yes.. a cardio type person will have a clear advantage in general over such other "poor examples " of health.. Kinda obvious..
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