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12-27-13 06:38 PM - Post#790660    



The description in the IOL store for dessicated liver states rats increased endurance 10 fold. Wow. I wonder if studies have been done on humans?

http://www.davedraper.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store _Code=DDI&Product_Cod e=SBIU40&am...

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Desiccated Liver – Informed Opinion
By Gene Bruno, MS, MHS – Dean of Academics, Huntington College of Health Sciences. Posted April 27, 2011

With the enormous variety of sophisticated products currently available in the dietary supplement industry, you might take pause to consider where it all started. What were the very first dietary supplements? One of these first supplements was desiccated liver.

Desiccated liver (from a bovine source) provides a rich, naturally occurring source of B vitamins and amino acids which athletes and other active individuals have often used to support improved performance. It also contains vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, iron, calcium, phosphorus, and copper. In addition, some individuals have used desiccated liver to provide glandular sup port to their own livers.

The term “desiccated” essentially means dehydrated. Typically, this is done at a low temperature in order remove moisture and retain nutrient value once it has been tableted. Desiccated liver supplements should also be defatted since it is the fat portion o f the liver that tends to store toxins. Furthermore, the savvy consumer who wishes to use desiccated liver should look for a supplement derived from calves, since it is likely that far fewer toxins would be present compared to adult cattle that have had years to store more toxins.

So is desiccated liver’s historical use as an aid for enhancing energy deserved? Certainly desiccated liver is among the group of supplements that have been used by Olympic athletes since the 1950s to help them gain a competitive edge. (1) Also, consider that for decades, vitamin B12 shots have been administered by doctors to energize people. Many nutritionally-oriented physicians have also recommended desiccated liver to their patients since it B12 and iron, among a host of other nutrients essential to generating more energy and stamina. (2)Another author discussed experiments conducted by D.B. Ershoff, Ph.D. on laboratory animals. Reportedly, Dr. Ershoff supplemented the diets of the animals with desiccated liver, which increased their endurance by nearly 750%. (3) The answer to the energy question appears to be yes.

What a bout the use of desiccate d liver by some individuals to provide glandular support to their own livers—is there a scientific basis for this? Maybe. In one “test tub e” study, a liver extract fro m pigs was found to act synergistically with growth factors to stimulate the growth of liver cells. (4)

Of course critics have stated that the use of a glandular substance would have no benefit since it would have to be completely digested down into individual amino acids before the body could absorb them, and once that happened the body would not recognize that those amino acids came from a glandular source. This is a common misconception, however. The fact is that 100% of all ingested food materials such as proteins, need to be broken down into their smallest molecular building blocks (amino acids), before they can be absorbed. Research has clearly shown that approximately five percent of the protein load delivered to the small intestine is not broke n down into amino acids or polypeptides in the gut, but passes as intact protein molecules into the circulatory system. (5) Thus, the gut epithelium, earlier thought of as a route strictly for active absorption of nutrients and a barrier for other contents of the abdomen that are supposedly harmful, seems to have greater permeability. Proteins such as Immunoglobulin G (m.w. 20,000-50,000), ferritin, albumin, horse radish peroxidase, 5, trypsin and chymotrypsin all have the demonstrated ability to be absorbed from the gut of adult animals and maintain full function in the bloodstream.

Furthermore, consider that glandular concentrates (such as desiccated liver) may contain small polypeptide, protein-like substances which have specific messenger activity aimed at target tissues. For example, it is well known that the pituitary gland secretes small polypeptide messenger hormones like ACTH, vasopressin and oxytocin which in turn act directly on specific target tissues. The level of these hormones necessary to induce physiologic tissue-specific activity may be less than 100 nanograms per milligram of the tissue. (6) Of course all of this is not proof that desiccated liver definitively provides glandular support to human livers, but it does suggest that it may be possible.

Finally, one concern that many may have is a desiccated liver supplement may be a carrier of “mad cow disease.” However, both the supplement industry and the FDA reassures the public that because all byproducts from BSE-infected countries are banned, so contamination should no t be a worry. (7)
Desiccated liver has an extensive history of anecdotal (and sometimes scientific) use in humans. If you’re interested in trying this well-established dietary supplement, you may experience energy-enhancing benefits as a result.

References:

Grivetti LE, et al. From ancient Olympia to modern Atlanta: celebration of the Olympic Centennial. (symposium on nutrition and physical performance) Nutrition Today (1996) 31(6):241(9).
Langer S. Energizers: moving mind & body. Better Nutrition for Today’s Living (1995) 57(8):40(3).
Langer S. Cutting edge nutrition for athletic women. Better Nutrition for Today’s Living (1994) 56(5):40(4).
Nelson C, et al. Glycerophosph orylethan olamine (GPEA) identified as an hepatocyte growth stimulator in liver extracts.Experimental cell research (1996) 229(1):20-6.
Hemmings, W.A., et al, Gut (1978) 19: 715.
Guillemin, R., et al, Sci. Amer. (1976) July: 24-33.
Smith SM. Mad cows and Englishmen; sorting out the risks. (risk of ‘mad cow disease’ in the United States) Environmental Nutrition (1996) 19(5):2(1).
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Edited by Richard Sanchez on 12-27-13 06:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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12-27-13 06:57 PM - Post#790662    



I used Dessicated liver daily for years, got nothing from it. IMO big waste.
 
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12-27-13 07:02 PM - Post#790663    



It will be interesting to find out if anyone benefitted from it.

I guess the problem with these things you can never truly tell if your body is benefitting. I might take it a few times a week.

Richard Sanchez


  • rvan Said:
I used Dessicated liver daily for years, got nothing from it. IMO big waste.


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Edited by Richard Sanchez on 12-27-13 07:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
 
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12-27-13 07:39 PM - Post#790665    



Some previous discussions...

Review of Desiccated Liver Tablets by Trance:
http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/4594/

http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/21744/
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12-27-13 08:35 PM - Post#790669    



  • rvan Said:
I used Dessicated liver daily for years, got nothing from it. IMO big waste.



I'm dying to know why you kept it up so long. :~)


 
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12-27-13 09:36 PM - Post#790673    



I have to wonder when people say they used some vitamin or food supplement and they say it did not work. I wonder if they are alive in that maybe it prevented them from getting cancer or having a heart attack.

Richard Sanchez


  • Laree Said:
  • rvan Said:
I used Dessicated liver daily for years, got nothing from it. IMO big waste.



I'm dying to know why you kept it up so long. :~)


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12-27-13 09:45 PM - Post#790674    



Dessicated liver...or desecrated liver as I like to call it. Ershoff's rats swimming in a tub until they drowned was a well-known and often quoted study. Also, glandulars have been demonstrated to have an "organ specific" transport, documented through the use of radio isotopes to track them during digestion and uptake.

I experienced less increase in endurance using dessicated liver than I did using Hoffman's Energol, which had a noticeable effect on my endurance riding a bicycle during my teens.

I used dessicated liver and yeast tablets a la Vince Gironda for a while...and it seemed to act as a fair protein supplement. I'd pop about 4 liver tabs and 2 yeast tabs about every 2 hours and this would keep my blood sugar stable and keep a "pool" of nitrogen available in my bloodstream...or so I liked to think. I had no scientific proof of that...just what Vince reported in a couple of articles that he wrote.

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12-28-13 12:50 AM - Post#790678    



I've been using it for a few weeks now. I notice that I need less sleep. I'm not sleepy as early and I wake up earlier. Not that I was tired before. Just an observation since starting it.
 
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12-28-13 06:11 AM - Post#790685    



  • Laree Said:
  • rvan Said:
I used Dessicated liver daily for years, got nothing from it. IMO big waste.



I'm dying to know why you kept it up so long. :~)


I don't have a good answer as for why, I just kept it up. 4 tabs five x a day along with an equal number of aminos. Figured it was a good source of extra protein. As an experiment and to save money stopped using,noticed no difference.
 
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12-28-13 09:42 AM - Post#790697    



Dave always liked it, but in hindsight (mine, not his) it may have been because other people liked it, or even partly because it tasted so bad. At the early stage, it was powdered, and he drank it in water...I know I've told you that before. I really do think the worst something tastes, the better we might think it could work.

He took a break from using it for decade or longer then restarted taking it after we started carrying it in the inline store. He never worked his way past the stomach upset. Could have been due to age-related enzyme changes...dunno. Or maybe he believed in it so much when he was younger that he ignored the stomach stuff earlier on.

Anyway, it still sells for us, so some people are getting something from it. And of course Beverly and other companies still make it, and they wouldn't if it wasn't popular. After this long... 50 years, right? It wouldn't still be around if it didn't do anything.


 
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12-28-13 10:02 AM - Post#790698    



You know, I’ve used all types of supplements and I can’t honestly say if they helped or not. I’ve gone for years without anything and years with taking things. I believe a lot of it is like Laree mentioned, because others do it, or because it’s a mental thing. We think it helps. Test on animals have never impressed me as there is a difference between test tubes, animals, and humans.

Just watched Dave on “Don’t Make Waves” on TCM. One of my favorites of all time.

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12-28-13 12:58 PM - Post#790709    



Is Dave still taking dessicated liver?

I was unclear about your post sice you stated it upsets his stomache thus i assumed it meant he no longer takes it. Thanks.

Richard Sanchez

  • Laree Said:
Dave always liked it, but in hindsight (mine, not his) it may have been because other people liked it, or even partly because it tasted so bad. At the early stage, it was powdered, and he drank it in water...I know I've told you that before. I really do think the worst something tastes, the better we might think it could work.

He took a break from using it for decade or longer then restarted taking it after we started carrying it in the inline store. He never worked his way past the stomach upset. Could have been due to age-related enzyme changes...dunno. Or maybe he believed in it so much when he was younger that he ignored the stomach stuff earlier on.

Anyway, it still sells for us, so some people are getting something from it. And of course Beverly and other companies still make it, and they wouldn't if it wasn't popular. After this long... 50 years, right? It wouldn't still be around if it didn't do anything.


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12-28-13 02:23 PM - Post#790718    



I've had at least one 500-tablet container of it in the cupboard for ages. Not the same old container! I like it, but it's dessicated liver, not magic.

When I get kinda busy I'll take a handful of them and a handful of raisins, until I can make a real meal. They're good to have at work for that reason.

And I don't think of them as an 'endurance supplement'. More like a convenient form of quick food that, even though it tastes like it, won't go rotten for ages.
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12-28-13 03:34 PM - Post#790721    



But wait a minute.
If I'm ever reincarnated as a seafaring rat these tablets might come in handy one day.
Life's too short to worry about longevity.



 
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12-28-13 03:53 PM - Post#790722    



I like the stuff. I feel like it leans me out somehow.


 
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12-28-13 03:58 PM - Post#790723    



I like that Combo dessicated liver with raisins for a quick meal.

Richard Sanchez


  • Neander Said:
I've had at least one 500-tablet container of it in the cupboard for ages. Not the same old container! I like it, but it's dessicated liver, not magic.

When I get kinda busy I'll take a handful of them and a handful of raisins, until I can make a real meal. They're good to have at work for that reason.

And I don't think of them as an 'endurance supplement'. More like a convenient form of quick food that, even though it tastes like it, won't go rotten for ages.


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12-28-13 06:34 PM - Post#790727    



No, he started taking it again about ten years ago, but didn't keep it up.





  • Richard Sanchez Said:
Is Dave still taking dessicated liver?

I was unclear about your post sice you stated it upsets his stomache thus i assumed it meant he no longer takes it. Thanks.

Richard Sanchez

  • Laree Said:
Dave always liked it, but in hindsight (mine, not his) it may have been because other people liked it, or even partly because it tasted so bad. At the early stage, it was powdered, and he drank it in water...I know I've told you that before. I really do think the worst something tastes, the better we might think it could work.

He took a break from using it for decade or longer then restarted taking it after we started carrying it in the inline store. He never worked his way past the stomach upset. Could have been due to age-related enzyme changes...dunno. Or maybe he believed in it so much when he was younger that he ignored the stomach stuff earlier on.

Anyway, it still sells for us, so some people are getting something from it. And of course Beverly and other companies still make it, and they wouldn't if it wasn't popular. After this long... 50 years, right? It wouldn't still be around if it didn't do anything.







 
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12-29-13 01:20 PM - Post#790765    



Thats a good point.

So much of what we do is what we would like to believe, rather than based on lab results, etc.

I want to believe in Liver and Amino as per Vince, and it makes sense. Gironda himself seemed (and I believe him to have been) "clean", but even Larry Scott admitted steroid use.
 
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12-29-13 01:25 PM - Post#790766    



I'm new around here (atleast, I havent posted on here in a couple of years), and I'm interested in giving the Liver Tabs/ Aminos a good trial.

There was an amazing article on this site about someone who pre-digested the various Liver tablets out there, took pics of the whole process, and recommended a few names.

How can I find that post?
 
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12-29-13 06:30 PM - Post#790780    



Use the Search function on this forum, or just start punching keywords into Google. It's mainly a matter of time, patience, and memory.

Here's a quick example with Google. I put the words (from your own question):

re-digested the various Liver tablets irononline

https://www.google.ca/search?q=re-digested+t he+various+Liver+tablets+ +irononline&ie=utf-8& amp;oe...

Just dig around for a while.
Often the things you find that you weren't looking for are very useful.

Define serendipity while you're looking, too.

Using that sample phrase and attaching davedraper.com to it brings up things too.

https://www.google.ca/search?client=firefox- a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficia l&q=re-digest...

And when you do find the thread you mentioned, it's always a nice touch to post it here for the benefit of others . . .
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12-29-13 06:59 PM - Post#790781    



Yep! Right at the top of Dale's google link:

http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/4594/


 
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12-29-13 07:21 PM - Post#790782    



  • AussieMerv Said:
Some previous discussions...

Review of Desiccated Liver Tablets by Trance:
http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/4594/

http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/21744/




I posted it above a few days ago.
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12-29-13 08:49 PM - Post#790786    



I like it as well. Bought the NSP brand through Ron Kosloff's website. Works well but tastes horrible:-)
 
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12-30-13 06:39 AM - Post#790802    



^^ Beverly's tabs taste good enough you can chew them.
 
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12-30-13 06:29 PM - Post#790837    



  • rvan Said:
^^ Beverly's tabs taste good enough you can chew them.



Good to know, I'll give them a try next order.
 
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12-30-13 07:33 PM - Post#790839    



If you're concerned about iron intake, you might want to limit your dessicated liver intake. It contains a very highly bioavailable form of iron (more easily absorbed than other sources).


 
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01-17-14 06:01 PM - Post#792344    



I have been a big user on un defatted Desiccated Liver for years. I have been buying the radiant life brand but I just switched to the Perfect supplements brand and I have felt more energy, more alert and less tired. Has anyone else tried that one? http://www.perfectsupplements.com/category-s/80.htm

Peter - Aka HealthNut
 
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