03-04-09 02:51 PM - Post#533133    

Hi! Just wondering how the old timers managed to combine bodybuilding with olympic lifting? I read somewhere that body,power and oly lifters used to train together. I would like to do so and would really appreciate any help as i train alone in Ireland.

Colin Bell " Strengthen the weak hands and make firm the feeble knees" Isaiah 35v3

03-04-09 03:12 PM - Post#533148    

The short list:

Tommy Kono: Mr. Universe
Bill March: Mr. Univers
John Grimek: Mr. America

So, perhaps three of the USA's all-time best O lifters...

Just saying.

Daniel John Just handing down what I was handed down... Make a Difference. Live. Love. Laugh. Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude) Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk. Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth. Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights. Reread great books. Say thank you

03-04-09 04:16 PM - Post#533169    

• Dan John Said:

Read Kono's book, I believe he goes into some detail regarding his off season training.
Also, I remember reading somewhere that Joe Mills liked his new lifters to work on building some hypertrophy for 6 months before moving into the OLY lifts.

03-04-09 04:19 PM - Post#533174    

Excellent. Put it another way, what did their routines look like? ie did they mix the lifts into their workouts?Or did they do bodybuilding and lifts in seperate workouts and/or phases? Guess im really asking how i could put such a routine together!

Colin Bell " Strengthen the weak hands and make firm the feeble knees" Isaiah 35v3

03-04-09 04:33 PM - Post#533185    

• Dan John Said:

Didn't you have an experience with Robby Robinson about Olympic Lifting?

"No excuses, no explanations" Tony Dungy "You can't always control what happens to you, but you can always control how you respond." Left Handed Freak

03-04-09 04:45 PM - Post#533189    

The old Mark Berry courses said to do course 1 (BB) for at least 14 months before ever thinking about moveing into course 2 (prep for Oly) then course 3 which was Oly lifting both bar and DB.

It don't matter

03-04-09 04:53 PM - Post#533196    

• cajinjohn Said:

Thanks Cajinjohn. Mark Berry is a new name to to me, could you expand? ps i am an (injured) oly lifter but i used to do bodybuilding years ago before i switched.

Colin Bell " Strengthen the weak hands and make firm the feeble knees" Isaiah 35v3

How to marry bodybuilding & Oly Lifting
03-04-09 06:14 PM - Post#533215    

Berry trained John Grimek
He wrote a few books on training principles from his era which are still in use today.
Brief history here
http://www.superstrengthbooks.com/mark_berry.html

"For sure, grit and spit will get you so far but it will also grind you down and leave you spent. Good movement, superior movement, that is where grace and power live." My 2011 Training Log

03-04-09 06:27 PM - Post#533217    

Robbie and Arnold (I know for sure Arnold) were O lifters. Zane too?

I have always thought that O lifting would be good for BB. There is just something about having the foundation to build on. I work with kids heavily influenced by BB and they love to take their shirts off, cut off the sleeves et al...then strut around with their 135 pound frames.

Daniel John Just handing down what I was handed down... Make a Difference. Live. Love. Laugh. Balance work, rest, play and pray (enjoy beauty and solitude) Sleep soundly. Drink Water. Eat veggies and protein. Walk. Wear your seat belt. Don’t smoke. Floss your teeth. Put weights overhead. Pick weights off the floor. Carry weights. Reread great books. Say thank you

03-04-09 06:54 PM - Post#533229    

There was a kid (years ago) named Sammy Willis in the York Mags. He did Olympic, Power, and 5X5 and competed in bodybuilding.
Anybody have those old Strength and Health Mags?
Think of Phil Grippaldi too.
----Tom
www.tom-furman.blogspot.com

03-04-09 11:16 PM - Post#533265    

I remember Sammie...saw him compete a few times. Short dude with a great midsection. Quiet and kind of shy. Phil Grippaldi was one of the first men to tape 20 inches on the upper arm. This actually worked against him in the clean, he had difficulty racking the weight. He also wanted to pull too much with his arms.

Wicked

"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in." "Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6

How to marry bodybuilding & Oly Lifting
03-05-09 09:29 AM - Post#533311    

Regarding your interest in bodybuilding, do you want to compete, or just look pretty?

If you don't want to compete, practice the o-lifts, do some strict pressing, do some conditioning, and eat right.

see http://www.flickr.com/photos/dehwang/

The most important test a lifter has to pass is the test of time. -Jon Cole

03-05-09 12:02 PM - Post#533359    

I want to look a bit better and also maintain my oly lifts. Basically give my joints a break and shape up. ...and look like Grimek(sorry just dreaming and being ridiculus!!!!)

Colin Bell " Strengthen the weak hands and make firm the feeble knees" Isaiah 35v3

Re: How to marry bodybuilding & Oly Lifting
03-05-09 01:24 PM - Post#533388    

O-lifter Phil Grippaldi also had a great physique.

Peace ~ Bear

03-05-09 09:15 PM - Post#533576    

I don't see anything wrong with doing quite a few sets of O lifts at the beginning of 1-3 of your workouts per week. The tradeoff is that you just won't be able to get massively stronger at the power lifts and the o lifts at the same time, which - speaking of bench and dead lift - could be a detriment as most people feel the PL are better overall mass builders.

I don't see anything wrong with snatches and cleans and OHPs at the beginning of every workout, rack jerks, or whatever...maybe do your fav squat or bench at the beginning of one of your workouts...then just throw in tons of chins and hit whatever needs bringing up visually for the rest of the workout.

Experiment. I expect that you will stagnate with the bodybuilding if you don't put things like bench variations, dips and chins at the beginning of the workout sooner or later, but you may be able to maintain your O lifts.

There's a lot to suggest that doing plenty of sets of O lifts is great for your hormonal response, and that's good for BBing. Just don't expect to get an extremely balanced, bodybuilder-like physique if you don't pay your dues in bench, dips, rows, chins, and DLs (plus other stuff, lateral raises and curls are a must for a BBer sooner or later).