redbomber
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05-24-07 02:59 AM - Post#303380
I've decided to add this into my routine on my deadlift accessory day but can't quite seem to get the 'proper' hang of it. I'm a 'singles' man, but every time i begin the lift it shreds up the back of my legs. SO would doing sets of higher reps by lifting from the ground for the first rep and then going down to just thighs parallel on the rest be best? I don't know of anyone personally who does barbell hack squats and would appreciate any help. Thanks :-)
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Phuntime
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05-24-07 05:42 AM - Post#303399
I tried these because i couldn't get a decent form on squats, and the bar kept attacking the backs of my legs also. I just lightened my weight and went back to squats and worked on my form.
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Vince
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05-24-07 07:52 AM - Post#303412
I tried these because i couldn't get a decent form on squats, and the bar kept attacking the backs of my legs also.
..I try to work these in to improve my deadlift. The hacksquat is basically doing a deadlift standing in front of the bar instead of behind it. I have found that when the bar hits the back of my legs it is because I am still lifting with my back and leaning forward too much. I like this exercise because it forces me to lift with my legs and not my back.
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Scott I
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05-24-07 08:44 AM - Post#303430
you could look into a diamond bar specifically designed for standing hack squats. you stand in the middle of the diamond and use a neutral grip placing the weight center to more to body centerline taking the back part of the deadlift basically out of the move.
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Phuntime
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05-24-07 08:49 AM - Post#303432
Yeah I saw these in this month's Muscle and Fitness edition. If only I could get round to saving cash.
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Plate Loader
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Joe Roark
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05-24-07 09:19 AM - Post#303451
Contrary to current belief, the hack squat was not originally a form of dealift- indeed, if performed in the original manner, a deadlift would be close to impossible- at least with a heavy weight.
In the original form, the hands were crossed (one over the other) and were on the buttocks so the bar would never touch the legs.
Also contrary to popular belief the lift was not named for Hackenschmidt.
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 09:43 AM - Post#303461
Also contrary to popular belief the lift was not named for Hackenschmidt.
OK Joe...you can't make a statement like that and just let it stand alone. What is the source of the name for the Hack squat?
Wicked
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Steve C
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I've decided to add this into my routine on my deadlift accessory day but can't quite seem to get the 'proper' hang of it. I'm a 'singles' man, but every time i begin the lift it shreds up the back of my legs. SO would doing sets of higher reps by lifting from the ground for the first rep and then going down to just thighs parallel on the rest be best? I don't know of anyone personally who does barbell hack squats and would appreciate any help. Thanks :-)
I used to do them back in the late 90's. I liked doing them for heavy weights, something about the movement I was able to lift some ridiculous weight (this was back when I was strong). It worked the thighs, especially the Vastus Medialis VERY effectively. But my calves always ended up terribly bruised, and thus it eventually found its way out of my routine.
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 09:52 AM - Post#303463
I believe that the orignal movement was done with the heels on a block and that the lift was stopped short of the floor on each repetition.
Steve Reeves used to be a fan of the movement. He used the following "help:"
He used a heel block about 2-4 inches high.
He eventually constructed a belt that encircled his midsection, low toward the hips. This belt had a set of hooks attached, allowing him to rest the barbell on the hooks while maintaining his grip. This also allowed him to squat deeply, without the barbell touching the back of his legs.
I'll try to find a picture of the rig...I've seen it in my 'Net surfing....
Wicked
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bob simpson
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05-24-07 09:55 AM - Post#303466
Doing them with heels on a pair of 25 lb plates will stop the sliding up the back of the legs---at least that is the way I used to do them. Also, I started the exercise at the top, taking it off pins.
According to one of the Saxon brothers, the name was originally "hock" squat and was supposed to work the hocks---whatever they are exactly.
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Steve C
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05-24-07 09:56 AM - Post#303467
Yep Wicked, a block will help. I also like doing it with a cambered bar. With a cambered bar you can still keep it behind you (so it effectively targets the quads) but the bent portion keeps out of the way of the calves.
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Wicked Willie
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Steve Reeves used to be a fan of the movement. He used the following "help:"
He used a heel block about 2-4 inches high.
He eventually constructed a belt that encircled his midsection, low toward the hips. This belt had a set of hooks attached, allowing him to rest the barbell on the hooks while maintaining his grip. This also allowed him to squat deeply, without the barbell touching the back of his legs.
I'll try to find a picture of the rig...I've seen it in my 'Net surfing....
Wicked
Found it over on T-nation...doctored it up a bit, so it would be bigger and easy on the eyes....
Note that Steve has his heels on a block or plates...it's not well shown in the photo.
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Edited by Wicked Willie on 05-24-07 10:18 PM. Reason for edit: Laree found the companion photo
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 10:17 AM - Post#303487
Gotta figure out a better way to do this....
Computer frighten Wicked.
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Steve C
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05-24-07 10:18 AM - Post#303490
Interesting to see that his arms are bent. Any idea how much weight he used on this? Seems that the weight there is fairly light.
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 10:22 AM - Post#303495
Reeves didn't use a lot of weight in his Hack movement, nor in the Front Squat or the Half Squat to Bench...which were his three main squatting movmements. He felt that heavy weight would cause him to shift emphasis to the spinal erectors, midsection and hips, thickening them. (He thought like Vince Gironda, here.)
He thought by keeping the weight moderate and concentrating on the movement, that he could achieve the look he desired...small waist, vee taper and leg development low on the quads, just above the knee. In addition to his excellent genetics, he was obviously an intelligent, if not opinionated, trainer.
Wicked
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Steve C
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05-24-07 10:23 AM - Post#303496
Thanks - that is a smart answer, wicked. And smart on Reeves' part.
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Wicked Willie
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I'm just guessing now...but it looks like Reeves has three 25 lb. plates on each side of what appears to be a five foot bar, plus either a 10 or 5 lb. weight. If so, the total weight would be under 200 lbs....maybe 175 lbs. His arms are bent, since the belt is supporting most of the weight...I assume his hands are just steadying the bar and keeping it in place.
Wicked
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Steve C
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05-24-07 10:34 AM - Post#303502
That's pretty light, comparatively. But it would work, if the form was right (which I'm sure his was).
Maybe I will try these again today. What do I have to lose? (except maybe a little skin on my calves)
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DanMartin
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05-24-07 10:35 AM - Post#303503
I read where SR would do 225 pound front squats for 15-20 reps. Couple that with his w-i-d-e grip stiff leg dead lifts. Lord have mercy.
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 10:40 AM - Post#303508
Reeves (according to reports I've read) was a no-nonsense trainer. Many have said that his concentration was fierce...almost trance like. He didn't appreciate being interrupted during his workout. I've seen a picture of him doing tricep pushdowns with a triangle bar (maybe at Vince's...he had a similar bar) and his expression indicated that he wasn't even aware of the photographer.
Wicked
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Steve C
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05-24-07 11:13 AM - Post#303527
Does anybody have a sample Reeves routine? I read about a routine of his from an old magazine, it was 3 days per week whole body, 2+ hours.
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Wicked Willie
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Don't have a sample routine handy (there are a few out there) but this site has a fair amount of training information about Reeves:
http://www.power-bodybuilding.com/steve_reeves.html
(I'll get busy and see if I can find a sample routine...I know where there is a sample chest routine but that is just part of a full body workout.)
Reeves sometimes trained up to three hours...he had an amazing response to movement and great recuperative abilities.
Wicked
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 11:24 AM - Post#303534
Here's a sample from Bodybuilding.com:
Reeves Routine
Monday-Wednesday-Friday
Deltoids
Upright Rowing - 3x8-12 (130-120-110)
Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (standing) (wide grip)
Bent-over Laterals - 3x8-12
Chest
Bench Press - 3x8-12 (wide "collar to collar" grip) (225-215-205)
Incline Press - 3x8-12 (45 degrees)(wide "collar to collar" grip)
Flat Dumbell Flys - 3x8-12 (palms forward) (65)
Lats
Lat Pulldowns Behind Neck - 3x8-12 (wide grip) (225)
Seated Cable Row - 3x8-12 (150)
One-Arm Dumbell Row - 3x8-12 (80)
Biceps
Standing Barbell Curl - 3x8-12
Incline Dumbell Curl - 3x8-12 (45 degrees) (w/stop bar) (65-50)
High Pulley Bench Curl - 3x8-12
Triceps
Tricep Pressdowns - 3x8-12 (straight bar)
2-Arm Dumbell French Press Behind Neck - 3x8-12* (70)
Lying Dumbell Extensions - 3x8-12 (45s)
(One-Arm Dumbell Cross-face extensions - 3x8-12 (Db to Delt)*)(*Alternate)
Legs
Squats - 3x8-12 (to bench) (board under heels) (300)
Hack Squats - 3x8-12
Front Squats - 3x8-12 (150)
Leg Curls - 3x8-12
Calves
Leg Press Calf Raises - 4x20 (400-350-300-250)
Seated Good Mornings - 3x8-12
Neck
Neck - 3x15 (Back)/3x15 (Front)
I'm sure that he used and exhausted many routines, since he was a rather intuitive trainer.
Wicked
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Don W,
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05-24-07 11:25 AM - Post#303536
It describes his hack squats there too.
Hack Squats performed the Reeves way were unique compared to how others were doing them. When Steve was training at the old York Barbell Club in his bid for the 1950 Mr. Universe he used part of the old Milo hip lifting wooden platform plus a fabricated cold rolled steel T-Bar. The hip lifting platform had a hole in the middle of it and the “T†end of the bar extended through the hole. Plates were loaded or anchored on the bottom part of the “T†bar underneath the platform. While standing atop the platform Reeves would squat down with his hands behind his back and take a strong knuckles forward grip on the “T†(holding it tightly against the underside of his buttocks) and then would straighten his legs up to almost near lock-out but not quite. Once in the up position he would lower himself and repeat the movement for about fifteen reps. Doing the reps in non-lockout fashion would keep tension on his thighs the entire time.
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Steve C
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05-24-07 11:26 AM - Post#303537
This is good stuff, thanks!
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Steve C
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05-24-07 12:16 PM - Post#303568
One thing I would like to comment on, after reading this outline of one of Reeves' routines, as well as reading through some of Reg Park's routines....
It seems the older guys put more of an emphasis on the delts vs. the pecs. In today's bodybuilding, it is chest/chest/chest!!! Delts are more of an afterthought. But in reading the old routines, very often the delts were done BEFORE the pecs. You would never read about a lifter today doing delts before pecs.
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Neander
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05-24-07 12:37 PM - Post#303578
That's a great photo! I guess you'd call the U.S. All-Round Weightlifting Association rules the other end of the lifting spectrum. Valid and interesting nonetheless.
Hack Lift
IAWA rules for the Deadlift apply, except that the bar will be placed behind the lifter. The bar may touch the calves and the rear of the upper legs as it rises. Should it bind against the upper legs, the bar may be stopped momentarily while a hip adjustment is made. The bar may not, however, be lowered during the movement.
One-Hand Hack Lift
Choice of hands is optional. IAWA rules for the Hacklift apply except that the lift will be done with one hand. The hands may not be changed during the competition.
Middle Fingers Hack Lift
The rules of the hacklift apply, except that the bar will be lifted using only the middle finger of each hand. The fingers may grip the bar in an alternate manner. Lifts for other finger combinations will follow this rule as well.
Check this out!
Arthur Lift
The bar will be hack lifted, then brought to rest at the base of the back. The lifter then bends forward and rolls the bar up his/her back until the bar is fixed across the shoulders at the base of the neck. From the fixed shoulder position behind the neck, the lifter will jerk the weight in the normal fashion. The only command will terminate the lift once the weight is fixed overhead.
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Steve C
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05-24-07 12:39 PM - Post#303582
I saw the USAWA page and would love to compete in one of their fun-looking competitions.
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Joe Roark
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05-24-07 01:29 PM - Post#303592
Many lifts have changed in function/performance/ of execution, while NOT changing the name they were born with. This, of course, adds to the confusion, when moderns performing a hack lift compare their numbers to hack lifts done in the original style.
Hacke refers to heel, so the bar would be lowered until it came in contact- or at least very near vicinity of the heels.
Just as the military press evolved, unfortunately, to become the Olympic press which later degenerated so badly that only the name remained the same while totally abandoning the original rules, and the DKB (deep knees bend) became the modern 'squat', so the hack lift has changed hand placement, which in turn allowed the shoulders and traps to be much more involved.
A curl can become a cheat curl but a cheat curl has gone beyond the original curl, and should be called a cheat curl.
Certainly exercises and lifts can be changed at anyone's whim, but as one who is fascinated by the variations of history. I would prefer that with each performance change would come an adaptive name change. But I can spit in one hand and wish in the other, being fully aware of which hand will become full first.
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DanMartin
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05-24-07 02:35 PM - Post#303618
One thing I would like to comment on, after reading this outline of one of Reeves' routines, as well as reading through some of Reg Park's routines....
It seems the older guys put more of an emphasis on the delts vs. the pecs. In today's bodybuilding, it is chest/chest/chest!!! Delts are more of an afterthought. But in reading the old routines, very often the delts were done BEFORE the pecs. You would never read about a lifter today doing delts before pecs.
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Neander
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05-24-07 09:22 PM - Post#303730
Hahaha!
Shoulders are for soldiers
Pecs are for the rest.
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Psychiatric help.
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 10:25 PM - Post#303755
I besought the help of the IOL Sparkplug, also known as Baby Sister, a.k.a. Laree for pictures of Reeves doing the various hack lifts. She, in her usual way came through with flying colors. Here they are:
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Wicked Willie
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05-24-07 10:27 PM - Post#303756
Note the use of a fairly thick heel block in the squatting movements and the upright posture. Note in the calf yoke photo that Reeves is rolling onto his big toe and that his feet are fairly straight forward. This is the correct way to work the calf raise for maximum results with minimal weight...note also the bare feet.
Wicked
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redbomber
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Hey, THANKS for all the help :-) Today (well 'tomorrow' as in friday -it's 11:20 pm right now and i just woke up) i'm gonna get a 2x4 at work and sand it down and use to place under my heels when i hack squat. Tried the 25's and it DID make a nice difference, tho i workout barefoot and i'm worried they might get a bit slippery from all the sweat.
I'm so excited now that i might just wet myself ;-)
BTW, any suggestions from the 'powerlifters' out there as to frequency, sets and reps? I want to use the Hack Squat as an aid to help in my regular bent-legged Deadlift. Just feel like mixing it up for awhile...
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Stan Jaffin
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05-25-07 07:28 AM - Post#303799
Note the use of a fairly thick heel block in the squatting movements and the upright posture. Note in the calf yoke photo that Reeves is rolling onto his big toe and that his feet are fairly straight forward. This is the correct way to work the calf raise for maximum results with minimal weight...note also the bare feet.
Wicked
It is not surprising at all that Reeves did so much of it right.
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Wicked Willie
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05-25-07 08:52 AM - Post#303821
His incredible genetics cannot be ignored...the man used to train himself in shape in a ridiculously short time and then take long layoffs, without losing a lot of muscle. Couple that with intelligent training and you have an unusual, "not likely to be repeated" combination.
Reeves was quoted as saying that his father was built the same way without ever having touched barbells. (This was rhetorical information, Reeves' father died before Steve could have any type of relationship with him.)
He was simply an incredible physical speciman...as well as being handsome. Mind you, I'm not gay but the man was just plain riveting...it is hard not to appreciate his features.
By physique standards, he was a little light in the rear deltoids, a little weak in the hamstrings and his back was basically flat and not very interesting. But by "average man" standards, he was incredible.
Wicked
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Steve C
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05-25-07 09:30 AM - Post#303841
By physique standards, he was a little light in the rear deltoids, a little weak in the hamstrings and his back was basically flat and not very interesting. But by "average man" standards, he was incredible.
Wicked
I think quite a few of the older physiques are a little light in the rear delts and weak in the hamstrings. This is one reason why, even if I go back to older style routines (like I'm doing now), I will include more hamstring and some direct rear delt work.
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Tim Mendelsohn
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05-25-07 10:22 AM - Post#303865
Hey Wicked Willie,
Remember Perry Rader's Magic Circle? I think that was the name.
Tim
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Stan Jaffin
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05-25-07 10:23 AM - Post#303866
At that time bodybuilding was still in transition from large and smooth (Grimek) to today's large and defined. I would still settle for Reeves's delts. 
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Steve C
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05-25-07 10:25 AM - Post#303867
Agreed Stan. And so much of it is genetics as well .
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Wicked Willie
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Hey Wicked Willie,
Remember Perry Rader's Magic Circle? I think that was the name.
Tim:
You bet I remember the Magic Circle. Neat piece of equipment. Had the chance (if I could have stayed an extra day) to see and use one at the Austin Bash at Mike Graham's Old Texas Barbell Company.
Wicked
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CB
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I've decided to add this into my routine on my deadlift accessory day but can't quite seem to get the 'proper' hang of it. I'm a 'singles' man, but every time i begin the lift it shreds up the back of my legs. SO would doing sets of higher reps by lifting from the ground for the first rep and then going down to just thighs parallel on the rest be best? I don't know of anyone personally who does barbell hack squats and would appreciate any help. Thanks :-)
I think you answered your own question here. I do them every leg workout and have never had this problem but I use a weight that allows 8-12 reps and do them for leg development not strength training. Why do you ?
CB
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Jack C
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05-25-07 12:08 PM - Post#303917
Does anybody have a sample Reeves routine? I read about a routine of his from an old magazine, it was 3 days per week whole body, 2+ hours.
Because I had read that Reeves did primarily front squats, I asked Reeves in 1981, at a dinner we had with Larry “Buster†Crabbe, what he did for his legs in training for the Mr. America contest. Reeves said that he did full squats 4 sets 10 reps with 400lbs. When Crabbe saw the reaction on my face to the weight used for that amount of reps, he laughed. Squats were Reeves' main leg exercise, not front or hack squats, although he did these also from time to time. Reeves was not worried about expanding his hips or glutes, he was into leg development.
In his book, "Classic Physique," Reeves said he did both full and half squats, explaining that what he called a half squat is considered a parallel squat today.
What I later read on muclememory.com confirmed my 1981 conversation with Reeves:
http://www.musclememory.com/showArticle.php?im07057
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Tim Mendelsohn
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Hey Wicked Willie,
Remember Perry Rader's Magic Circle? I think that was the name.
Tim:
You bet I remember the Magic Circle. Neat piece of equipment. Had the chance (if I could have stayed an extra day) to see and use one at the Austin Bash at Mike Graham's Old Texas Barbell Company.
Wicked
Great Pic. They always had ads for those in the back of the old Iron Man mags. The ads showed Perry dressed in street clothes standing in the Magic Circle.
Who's that handsome devil in the background of the Pic?
Tim
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Wicked Willie
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Who's that handsome devil in the background of the Pic?
If you mean "ornery handsome devil," that would be Cajin. 
Wicked
"I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in."
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man comes to the Father, but by me." John 14:6 |
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